Jack River

It's inherent in experience across the board. Look —SEE ?

what is the reality of both illusions(the real)??

I use to have that issue. I found that I couldn’t concentrate because I was to busy unconsciously concentrating on the endless arising activity of mind (objects of experience). Like a cat preoccupied or overly fascinated by the end of a laser pointer beam.

To me personally art implies puting “things” in there right place. Which means what stands under or is essential (without beginning or end) to such movement/focus/concentration/reaction etc. To me only what is essential (AWARENESS) has such power. In that sense art to me implies all that arises within ones day. Even urinating? To me meditation is an art and cannot be excluded from daily life.

We would have to figure out what “art” refered to in order to say what is art and not, I think.

It depends what people mean by meditation. There is what many refer to as meditation of concentration on specific objects(movement) of experience. This brings about a silence cultivated through mind. Yet when that silence is depended upon (the condition of cultivation or systematatic repetition) that is limited by measure to sustain that silence. Then there is the meditation that doesn’t focus on one aspect or exclude any movement within experience. A silence that has no root in any condition of mind. This implies no premeditated action of will or volition (desire) or subject/object duality(time). One “art” has its root in effort/control-suppression/munipulation and the latter “art” is effortless/non-doing without observation limited to evaluation or that of measure(mind). This is how I understand the difference in meditation.

Psychological mutation in or as the “dream” is in most cases not priority. I think a small percentage of people are willing to go the necessary depths to really come upon this total revolution of consciousness. Just seems more common that “The Dream character” simply wants to use its “new found truth understanding” to benefit its ‘own’ “dream.” In which case the silent truth is simply used as a means of self improvement. Just a kind of self worship or self aggrandizement. Another subtle game of psychological becoming.

Haha!! Just die already...and then keep dying. Make it a routine/habit if that’s your thing

We make what was once joyful/beauty (whole) and deduce it (fragment it) to mere pleasure. It’s a sort of addiction yes @Anton Rogachevski. It’s a clinging to dead things(the past). Beauty/joy/love is always living and active as NOW. When memory (subject/object split) enters in and says I want more of that experience then time (compulsion for pleasure in this case) has been superimpose or overlaid on top of that already inherent beauty/joy (I AM).

In a sense you can think of the indulgence of pleasure being reactionary. Being overly fascinated with objective experiences. Being influenced and overly focused on what memory has put together as the subject & object in experience. Implicitly identifying with the contents of thought and pursuing or trying to re-experience particular experiences and avoid others. Hence pleasure and pain are one and the same. Resistance to what-is. Resistance to an already inherent peace, bliss, sense of wholeness. It’s just ego always looks to objects of experience. With these objects rises the subject. So the already inherent joy/beauty of being is missed/overlooked.

@cetus56 ?

what poor soul formulated that model @cetus56?

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@cetus56 all I see is time?

The model seems very fragmentary. Can we say all are pleasure seeking, forms of resistance, and expressions of identification? Psychological time?

Ah yezzz. I gotcha

@ShinAn abstract entity classifying according to its own preconceived classifications

The model is like one of those old Victorian homes..compartmentalized as a mo. Something one may come upon and say, “ why did they put that Wall there”???!

I don’t know. I see things unitary. I can’t make out the difference in any of the three, other than the word/concept description

ahahahahahabaha!!!!!! dude!!... I didn’t want to post that, but I thought it

Hmmm Weird

Why is his model so....compartmentalized, so to speak? Interesting

What the!! where does that model come from?

@DrewNows it does doesn’t it

In a sense, every step taken as body/mind towards nothingness/emptiness or away from body/mind remains a divisive action (desire/control based) of or as body/mind. Action of INSGHT sees so entirely/holistically that all action ceases. No forward/backwards movement at all. As Body/mind is movement. INSIGHT sees the totality of itself and ceases all movement/action in any direction. As movement in any direction is an expression of awareness’s over fascination with objective experience.