Jack River

I know man. When faceless told me to be aware of what he calls subtle fears that is what he meant. I didn’t really see how fear was camouflaged. Just as you said dude, I had a narrow view of fear. The first week of being aware of fear or identitying fear I was overhelmed because fear was involved in every movemt or action in my daily life. Still is but I don’t keep feeding it. But yeah it seems fear is at the root of most peoples experinces. Especially if there is no awareness of this. Thats why I am so blown away about this. It’s so crucial brah. I really appreciate your guys showing me how to see myself clearer.

Right. Cool thing is when this desire to control comes up we can see that is also fear moving as well. You would think fear is a every now and then thing. But if observed it is present but we just don’t see it.

@Ingit I just watch fear. You will notice that there will be this strong desire to choose what you observe or that you will try to control your what observe. This is what @robdl is referring to about quality of observation I think. Just watching fear without action on its own is a miracle. If you are still trying to control fear then deep down you still think you are seperate from fear. Anyway just watch the fear dude.

That’s right dude????

That fear or “the me” will believe in concepts to try and escape that fear. So to give into that will feed the loop as @robdl stated above will feed fear and that in turn feeds the ego or more fear.

I did the same thing you are doing without realizing it.. I wouldn't worry about what is real or not yet. If you don’t even see that fear or this trying to feel more psychologically secure as it arises in experience you will not be able to know what is real or not. I went into this deep with @Faceless. To start with you just watch the movement of fear or this constant trying to make ourselves feel better by attaching to certain ideas or concepts like soul. So we just watch this movement to always look for psychological security in our thinking. Just be aware of that. So don’t worry about the content of thought and if it is real or not real, but watch the movement of fear trying to make itself feel better. Watch this all day. The real and not real reveal itself when we are honest in observing. Anyway this is what I do daily. It has changed my life. Also you will be abele to understand what @robdl just said by doing this. Hope this helps brah????

Nice man! Yeah, and fear reacting to fear because it thinks it is separate from fear. Its really all coming together dude????

Fosho! clinging to our ideas or bias because it makes us feel better or more safe psychologically. And that causes more and more illusions. And we get caught in them. Cling to the illusion. Then we create more.

I know what you mean. That why I watch that movement carefully. But I dont know about soul or whatever. And I am aware that thought gets a sense of security from that idea. An illusion at work.

I just look at the fact that is actually observable in myself. Soul talk or true self is to escape the fact. You see what I mean dude? I dknt know what vipasna is?

I feel ya there I think for me it’s better to stick with what we can see directly in ourselves. Then when that is clear we can maybe go further. Soul or higher self sets up the trap of making abstraction and the chasing that. But I know what you mean dude. This has recently hit me like a sack of potatoes

I don't know what you mean by soul. What does it take for this intuition to happen?

Right on brah!!????

I use to think intuition was not based on emotion or reaction . I don’t think that anymore. It still seems to be the me acting and choosing. Psychological action.

@Ingit Do we act on the intuition?

Isnt intuition basically desire ? Me and my buddy went into this other day. I brought it up to him and he said desire and identifacation go together.

Self perpetuation ? I see it dudes

@MiracleMan understanding all these as being one movement has really allowed for awasome awareness man. Seriously a miracle dude.

Nice. BECOMING is big dudes. Its probably the root of all conflict. Once you see it so clear there is no going back.

See the endless game trying to maintain psychological security dudes. I smoked a lot before and after surfing. Since I have been watching fear and not reacting to it I have been able to totally stop smoking. It’s been 2weeks now. Actually even other habits seem to have lost there strength.

I know man i started watching K and then moved to tolle because I am kinda dumb lol. I think Tolle does not go as deep as K. Then went back to K, now I learn better from faceless and robdl. I bookmark there posts. Crazy thing is I have been doing this way longer than faceless. It was difficult for me, but now I am getting it.

I have been doing this for a long time man. Going on 8 years now with Krishnamurti, and tolle. But nothing really made sense until I read yours and robdl’s posts-messages. You guys rock

This is what I spend my day being aware of. It seems to mask itself though. That’s why it’s good to know when fear is moving.

This is what I have been putting my energy into lately. Drastic change in my life. Thanks brah.

Both seem like mind tricks to me. When it comes down to it a chasing a goal and increasing focus seem to be the same thing. At least I see that dudes.