Jack River

What I would call god experience is actually what I would call an experience of seeing without experience. This happened to me almost two months ago and was very strange. I have taken acid shrooms many times and they did give me this strong feeling of fear but this experience of god experience was way more powerful. No fear at all. I didn’t take anything to get it either. I feel it had to do with a moment of no experience looking at the now. Looking back at my trips there always seemed to be the me still trapped in the experience. I feel that experience was still acting. This experience of no experience or what others call god experience, or headlessness is totally crazy. Time flew by totally unnoticed. Crazy dudes. The thing it to continuously have this. I feel it will happen in good time. But I see that me wanting it will not allow it to happen. It’s quite complicated for sure.

Fear seeks security in seeking various types of experiences. Seeking these experiences is the very binding movement of psychological dependence that becomes the burden of time, and prevents timeless being. Are you sure experience is what you are looking for? And who is this experiencer? Is it not one and the same movement of experience. Observe with care...what causes this disharmony with your “absolute”? Is it not the accompanied implications of the “experiencer”, which is the carry over of (experience, knowledge, memory), or (static content) onto each new, fresh, and (dynamic) movement of the now? Can this “absolute” be experienced, or is it the absense of experience at all. Its easy to take a substance and temporarily remove that space between the experiencer and the experiencing. But when there is a cessation of carry over of the veil of experience, (psychological memory as the i), in that every moment in daily life makes for not a mere “temporary experience”, but a never ending, and ongoing movement of unconditioned freedom. To meet each moment afresh. The most creative movement that can take place. A dynamic stillness. Timelessness or what I call headlessness. Again, are you sure what you want is mere experience?? By FACELESS

Nice dude

Its important to really see the truth that there is only a movement anxiety. Its not my anxiety. This division keeps strengthening itself. When this is seen totally it ends instantly. Quite amazing dude. When this happens all these practices or contemplations are pointless. The pattern of division dudes.

If the “me” is desire, nothing can be done. The conflict is because we still believe there is me separate from desire. That simple. But we most seem to believe there is no division. Not see the holistic truth of it. From what I have seen is when Freedom becomes actual all desire doesnt look form pleasure anymore. And there is no conflict either. Pretty great way to live dudes..this is why staying with fear is so powerful. Desire looking for pleasure=Division, fear trying to escape fear. Feeling Suicidel because we are not desired is desire not being met.

Lol. I even get that your cool nahm

@Nahm it’s crazy man. I feel like just in the last week I can actually understand things that you just said. It’s a miracle man

Lolol fosho dude

I agree totally dudes. For me until recently I was not able to tell what was thought and not. I didn’t even see the connection between thought and experience or veil. Thats why for me it was helpful to start with understanding thought, experience, and the conection to “me”.

Fosho dude.

@SoonHei I never read power of now but I have watched tolle a lot before. He does go into psychological time and attention. It would be hard to understand faceless and robdl if I wouldn’t have understood tolle first. I don’t know if you understand those dudes yet but maybe tolle will pave the way to help you get what they are saying

Read again.. This really does capture why it’s so hard to listen to others, and why we get hurt so much. Then we record the hurt and it keeps happening by remembering. And the fear just keeps going and going.

Its crazy how perception can see how everything all comes together and how easy awareness is after that. Seriously very cool.

no I’m not that kind of dude. I suffered like others all my life. Just started about 8 years ago looking for a way to stop it. And we are not talking about conceptualization. Very different. Just be an idea. Do you see it? I do dude

Amusing and kinda frustrating. I went 8 years getting caught in that same pattrn dudes. Well my whole life actually lol

Excellently said

Surf time

I’m so glad I wasn’t that fearful dudes. Lolo face the fear first. It’s a must. Was for “me”.

I understand why you think it’s a belief. I was just at that place few weeks ago. But I see now. I hope people can let there guard down and at least listen. Not like it will hurt anything. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe something will. Don’t let the fear drag you down dudes.

@SOUL it’s not belief dude. This is the problem. There must be awareness of subtle fear in movement. That’s why what we are talking about is important.

For sure man. Dude where is this all coming from. It’s so clear

I’m not saying I have a lot of knowledge dude. Just saying I fell for that trap. It bogus. I’m not in it for perspective dude. Perspective is partial. No experience is where it’s at brah.

Belief being fear causing me to cling to the illusion of psychological becoming. Divided action or fragmentation as faceless says.

Psychological dependence on time that makes for a clinging to ideas or concepts. Or as robdl says clinging to ourselves..Nah dude. None of that here my man not anymore