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You see the connection @Ingit?

Maybe we should go into all of this. I think that will help. Thanks robdl

You get it?

Fosho man, becoming or not becoming is fear in movement. Then there is no passive attention. It is positive or negative movement as faceless explains. Psychological Time and this positive or negative movement is the same as the fragmented pattern.

So you know that wanting to not become conflicted anymore is fear trying to escape itself? Psychological time

@Ingit have you gone into psychological time before, as @cetus56 just mentioned

Dude you are not alone.. I feel ya totally.

Fosho!! good call dude. I just think we should have an understanding of what is not passive. And I think the thread is important. But we have a few who have kept entering in with subtle attack. Thanks @cetus56 for the heads up ?

See that fear dudes

To tell someone to be passive who does not even understand when they are not passive is hilarious ? ..then a person will say what is passive? Can’t know what is passive without knowing what is not passive. Simple dudes

Projecting? Dude what I said is reasonable. Lol This is thought dude. You still think your thought is different. Smells like fragmentation in here dudes.

Dude.. when one is moving in the fragmentation pattern there is no passive..that’s the point. If we can’t identity there is fragmentation moving then it is not noticed. And it will keep going

@SOUL to tell someone who doesn’t understand how thought moves not to identify with thoughts is just another illusion trap waiting to happen. That’s why I said that is dis-identification.

Cool. I get that. We are understanding together then. I just meant we will subtly identify even when we think we are not. Telling someone to not identify will not cut it

What is said about fragmentation is a fact. He means it can be observed in experience. An observerable fact. And he’s not playing an authority game. That’s why he is so cool.

That’s all I did. Watch fear. All day. At first I was only aware of obvious fear. But wasn’t aware of 98% of fear movement. When caught in this pattern of fragmentation or division thought and fear the same. The division limits thoughts ability to work without fear. So I soon noticed that fear was always going as long as thought was. So I found myself alway reacting to fear. ALL DAY DUDE!! It was crazy.

The first thing I did a over a month ago was to see if I could be aware of all fear in movement. Are you aware of fear? Even the subtle fear?

This thread shows such traps being part of this fragmentation pattern.

What soul suggested is a common pattern for thought to work in dude. Maybe you will just have to do the trial and error through experience path. Most people seem to go int this direction. This is how thought works. It tries through routine to find psychological freedom. One thing I see now is psychological freedom is prevented by depending on time or routine to solve our psychological problems dude. Time or routine is the same thing as thought-self. We try to use the self to end the self. Doesn’t work

We don’t know that though right dude? We don’t known if anyone else is enlightened Markus. But action deos tell the truth. Image assumption dude. Does it fuel our own needs?

I think I understand dude. I have noticed this over the past month. Fear seems to be still moving and preventing lack of integrity like you said. I’m not saying anything about mooji, i just noticed this in gurus. Once we stop feeding into fear we can see when others still do.

I use to do do this. It’s a normal pattern for the mind to work or function in.

What stunned me was that this was all of a sudden. I thought by dis-identifying over time there would be freedom but that was a trap. I see now it doesn’t depend on time at all. After a little over a month now there is quietness. Not controlled quiet either. It’s amazing.

If I would have gone into all this instead of escaping by dis-identifying I would have been free 8 years ago and not fed the loop the whole time. We are always looking for a way out dudes. An escape.