Jack River

@Ingit what is a simple example that you are caught up in mind?

From what “I” see in others who say they’re enlightened it is much more superficial than the nondual.

Fosho.. can a human being that has gone beyond psychological enslavement be still caught in identification with religion, and chase pleasure. Slave to desire?

What does unbroken abidence mean simply?

Good point dude..can there be objective standpoint without freedom?

Thought being a sequence of events in memory gives the illusion of time. Self comes from thought. Belief comes from fear in the division of thought. Time being strengthened by psychological becoming and thought.

If we are willing to put constant attention on our reactions through the day that is the sign of sombody who really understands how important freedom is. To be aware of unawareness all day everyday is the hardest thing to do. Understanding ourselves seems to come last for some reason though.

Until Freedom there is no moral. Liberated humans are the most responsible.

When I’m free there is no identifying with a religion, race, gender. No molesting, no cult starting. this is the sign of a bullshiter. Person that only understands intellectually about there idea of enlightenment. Lol person caught in there own ?

freedom doesn’t depend of time. The sooner that is realized the sooner there is freedom When there is psychological freedom all aspects of life are in check. Then that freedom is expressed in politics and what ever.

It actually happens way more often than we think.

@MiracleMan cool thread topic man?

Crap man!! It’s so subtle. Mind blown

Thanks for this one dude . I’m kinda grasping it. I’m sure not totally. This is somthing big though. There is a lot to it.

@Ingit Are you noticing psychological time?

Wise words from a wise dude

@Ingit ??

@Faceless awarness of this fragmentation seems to get easier and easier. Before I wasn’t aware at all. In the last few weeks I noticed a lot. But now I can detect it easier by not being confused about what is or is not divided attention. it’s kinda simple now. It’s simple because the more we can identify divided attention the more we realize how often it takes place in our daily life. Any way it crazy how being aware of this unawareness brings about awareness.

Any action of thought to control thought stregthens thought.

Yep..knowledge feeds itself. Dope!

@robdl @Faceless excellent heads up dudes ?

Nice dudes ?

The veil that blankets BE-ING Are we aware that “the i” is a veil of conceptualizations, or the accumulated(experience, knowledge, memory), that responds to the now with that content-movement of the past?? That being one and the same movement as “the i”, or “the knower-known”, that seeks security in time, which prevents actual timeless be-ing. All this being a movement of fear with the agenda of self preservation. To evade the fact to the abstraction in order to capture and maintain a sense of psychological security-psychological permanence. Do we see that as long as there is this neurotic compulsion to adhere, and project, that which has been accumulated through the movement of thought, (experience, knowledge, memory), that in so doing, we are preventing actual present moment be-ing?? Do we see that we meet the dynamic happening of “the now”, with that accumulation of the past,(thought as the i)?? The alive and dynamic action of be-ing, is then blanketed with all that movement of the i, (memory), which projects itself in place of “what is” in accordance to its own static content of what should be. In this movement of time as the i, there is then an interpretation of that static content, which influences the projection, which then follows an action in accordance to that projected image. Again, that action is the response of an interpreted-projection, which is the response of memory, registering, recollecting from the past-thought. We then apply that finite veil of experience to meet the challenge of the infinite -active dynamic now. In the actual “action of be-ing”, there is no choosing between the opposites. Actual be-ing implies the absence of choice as the chooser, who chooses between two opposing concepts, or any content-movement from the past whatsoever...Choosing, or deciding between, is one and the same movement as the past that acts according to the false notion, that ‘the chooser’ is different from that which it chooses. This is an example of the dualistic nature of thinking, when “the thinker”, thinks, it is separate from that which it thinks. Even, “present movement be-ing”, can be the product of conceptualization if this accumulated movement-contents, as the i, which is the past, meets the present active and elusive now. In that, the active happening of now is then deduced by the deadness of the past, (memory), and (thought as the i), then becomes projected again as a future barrier to “the be-ingness of now” Here I have utilized thought, (a conceptual expression), that points to a fact that is common to the conditioned consciousness of human kind. Pointing to the actuality that the psychological accumulation of “the i” distorts, and makes for this (deduction), that diminishes the beauty, joy, and creativity of the dynamic, aliveness, of now. When we can observe without the observer, which is void of (experience, knowledge, memory), or time as the i, only then is there a timeless dynamic/stillness of be-ing. This is what I have been exploring over the last four months or so. How to explain this “ending of experience”, more efficiently....What it boils down to is the ending of experience in and of itself. Freedom to me, implies the absence of experience, or(measure), acting as a veil to that which is immeasurable. Experience has its place in practical affairs, but psychologically it has none. When all psychological experience as the i ceases to be carried over onto the living movement of now, only then that which is mysterious, (THE SACRED), is actualized. This is what I would refer to as BE-ING, or consciousness empty of its conditioned movement-content of time as the i. Or what I refer to as headlessness. As I have said before, to me, this is the most creative movement that can take place. This movement is not found within the realm of time. Nor is this the invention of thought, but an actualized emptiness void of the conditioned nature of thought, consciousness empty of its contents-movement so that there can be communion with WHAT IS. From my bro Faceless

@Nahm ?

Yep. That’s the question dudes ?