Jack River

To him there is the body. Not anyone’s in particular. Some more sensitive to the collective

No he said it’s “feeling”. I think it’s What he meant by collective sorrow.

Just like driving or riding . My friend races dirt bikes. He has built that experience up over time. No experience no “know how”

I’m pure zen when I’m surfing. I’m temporarily quite minded. But not empty or totally silent.

i know this flow. I would say it’s concentrated attention/thought.

I don’t know. Without all memory of past m I would not be abele to surf or know that I like surfing. Memory, experience, repetition

If it is somthing developed wouldn’t it be instinctive?

Right. Weird man. Faceless has spoken of this a little but he didn’t call it that. I guess he grew up outdoors and never really liked being around loud environments with a lot going on Like a lot of people. Anyway he says he kinda feels collective sorrow or shares others feelings. Like he’s really sensitive and can feel emotionion from others. He has talked about somthing similarly but he never said it was something he developed. Kinda similar.

U mean Intuition like instinct?

Nice.

Be amazed how much we are not aware that thought is flowing

This focus or concentration/identification or desire/me seems to fuel this impulse of thought to respond. I been spending day and night getting at this

Fosho. Few moths ago I would not even understand what you just said

Reaction fosho. Intuition being thought. Feelings, emotions, thinking. One movement of thought. We can only refer to that movement by “the me” identifying Right dude. sensory, and thought or “me” identifies with the sensory response. I feel ya. I notice now that what I use to think of as empathy was actually a response to fear. Like I only felt empathy if I imageined my self in that certain situation. Of thought

Or when we experience somthing means to recognize it. Not that dude? We like instantly name somthing and such

Is thought the response of experience, knowledge, memory, to you?

Yeah I got you. I would say for me it was like a few minutes but I can’t say for sure. It was only once. Yep. Thought and the me go hand and hand or this is identification with thought. Yep. Faceless seems to go for really long periods of time empty of experience all all the time. My “experience” matches very similar to his. I agree man. Yep. Experiencing without experiencer or identification with thought/senses. I see what you mean dude.

@Serotoninluv so I don’t consider the moment before responses of thought as experience. Fosho man.

Similar for you @Serotoninluv?

Yeah i have gone into this with faceless and robdl a lot. But mind, thought, conceptualization is all of the same movement. It’s hard for “our” perception To see its own movement as a whole. The way I see it is “The my perception” is mind/body reaction.

Yeah dude. I notice that without getting involved with somthing the doesn’t involve me respond with thought that reaction is less likely for sure. Yep. Seems like there is a slight moment before thought or recognition enters in. I think it varies on the “person” though. I had a “experience” about a month before coming on to this forum. It is what really got me interested in this. I had just got done with some surf action. I was laying on my board in the water when I realized some number of moments later that I had been empty of thought or experience. It was crazy man. Ever since I it has been interesting to me. But yes thought seems to come in a moment later after the perception.

Cool. I have to go right this second. But I will get back on soon man. This is cool stuff. Hang low for while. Be back soon dude.

Just depends on if there is this reaction or response always habitually flowing

Yeah. Memory/experience makes for responses of thought. First I would say “if that athlete was performing without thought” because thought is needed. Memory/repetition at a skill. This is respons of thought. There is interpreting durring and after activity. Same when I surf. Anything recognized would be experience. That’s why your awesome man

I get this. I just wouldn’t call it experience anymore. It’s not experience. More like AWARENESS.