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SUFI APHORISMS IBN ATA ALLAH AL-ISKANDARI 16 How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He is the One who manifests everything? How can it be conceived that something veils Him since He is the one who is manifest through everything? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He is the One who is manifest in everything? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He is the Manifest to everything? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He was the Manifest before the existence of anything? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He is more manifest than anything? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He is the One alongside of whom there is nothing? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since He is nearer to you than anything else? How can it be conceived that something veils Him, since, were it not for Him, the existence of everything would not have been manifest? It is a marvel how Being has manifested in nonbeing, and how the contingent has been established alongside of Him who possesses the attribute of Eternity!

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The Opening In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds; Most Gracious, Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment. It is You we worship and You we ask for help. Guide us to the straight path The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray. (Everything in the Quran boils down to this seven verses..) ...

@Radical He didn't came with a text though. They learn it by real time events and directly to their hearts. A walking scripture. The texts are for those who came later (us). Was the "portion of that of which they were reminded" ever mentioned in Qran? Or is it that according to Qran, Christians are bound to wait until the Day of Resurrection to learn what they forgot? Is the Qran's Day of Resurrection the same as the one mentioned in the Bible? -I don't know. [5:101-102] -Forgetting a portion of that which they were reminded is ignoring what has been reminded to them(God's laws). -The Quran describes the Day of Resurrection in a simplistic manner. It wasn't explained in a detailed way. I read a lot about the Resurrection in Said Nursi's works. From the Quran's perspective, when you died physically, your body will return back into it's original form. Some may resurrect in a different form (eg. a pig or a monkey) for their sins. Everyone will resurrect in the state they are in when they died. Any prior state will be irrelevant. (but your prior state is what will shape your death state) ... I'm having trouble understanding the underlined sentence. The prophets who submitted to Allah judged by it for the Jews, <~ that is clear as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. <~ ??? The above sentence is split in two as if prophets did something different from rabbis and scholars. The contents of the sentence however, seem as if they did the same thing - they judged for the Jews according to Torah, which is a part of the Scripture of Allah. So, the whole first paragraph seems as if Allah is saying that one should not fear the judges (prophets, rabbis and scholars), but Him. That is because the Torah is only a part of Scripture of Allah that is for the Jews, specifically? - you're funny~ Both the prophets and the rabbis x scholars use the scripture as a guidelines, judging everything by it. (For the Jews back then). To apply God's rules & law, instead of their own judgement (re: people's judgement). Not changing Allah's verses for a small price, to suite their own egoic needs etc. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers. -It is not contradictory. The real Torah won't be contradictory to the newer scriptures by the prophets who came after it. ... This is also not clear to me. If I am giving up my right for retribution, then is that: an expiation for me? or is it an expiation for the person that had hurt me? These two interpretations give a very different pictures of what a sin is. -This verse is on karma. Islam (Moses Law which is not contradictory to the teachings of Quran) grant you the rights to do justice to yourself. It doesn't deny your rights in the case of injustice done to you. An eye for an eye. A life for a life. (Not a life for a two). But then, there is a choice of mercy . A third option. When you forgive, it is harder for you to do, but the rewards is greater. For you, you'll be raised to a higher rank/degree(it can manifest in the form of many things, if not in this world then the next), for the other who has done injustice to you, it will get back to the natural state. In the case of no forgiveness, the person who have done injustice might be in for a bad karma. Hence spreading more negative effect to the world. (In my religion, sins with people will only be forgiven by the one's you've done injustice to. God will not interfere with it. It's between you and them) In the case of claiming your own justice, by inflicting the same injustice that was done to you (an eye for an eye), both will return to a natural state. It will be equal. might not be the same since the damage had been done, but equal. In a worser state. But it stops at that. If you gives up your right (to inflict the same injustice that was done to you), your other sins will be forgiven. (If you don't have a sin, refer to the above. Higher ranks*) An expiation for you from your sins. An expiation for them from your wrath/curse. ... A Christian is a Jew. But a Jew is not a Christian. ... A Jew may or may not be a Christian. There are Jews who accepts Islam and prophet Isa (Back then). An example would be Safiyya bint Huyayy, Prophet Muhammad's wife. The mother of believers. We call them Muslim with a Jewish descent~ Edit: It is understandable for the Jews to reject Christianity though. Because the Christians are divided by two. One are the genuine followers of Isa, the other wish to kill him. If the people of the book accept Islam, they will get double the reward. Because they follow both/three. But it is rare for a Jew to accept Islam because they're stuck in the first stage. Not accepting Isa. The Christians are closer to Muslims. -Forgetting a portion of that which they were reminded is ignoring what has been reminded to them(God's laws). Ignorance is what was meant. [27:14] And they rejected them, while their [inner] selves were convinced thereof, out of injustice and haughtiness. So see how was the end of the corrupters. Read sura At-Taghabun On Resurrection @tsuki there are many Quranic tafseer, I see your tendency to misinterpret the Quran in a totally different meaning than it's obvious meaning. Maybe because it's new to you. A tafseer would be good. (I wrote this yesterday) ...

♣ JOHN 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."

On Moses And We gave Moses the Scripture, after We had destroyed the former generations, as enlightenment for the people and guidance and mercy that they might be reminded. [28:43] and A Statue [ Allah ] said, "And what made you hasten from your people, O Moses?" [20:83] He said, "They are close upon my tracks, and I hastened to You, my Lord, that You be pleased." [20:84] [ Allah ] said, "But indeed, We have tried your people after you [departed], and As-Samiri has led them astray." [20:85] So Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved. He said, "O my people, did your Lord not make you a good promise? Then, was the time [of its fulfillment] too long for you, or did you wish that wrath from your Lord descend upon you, so you broke your promise [of obedience] to me?" [20:86] They said, "We did not break our promise to you by our will, but we were made to carry burdens from the ornaments of the people [of Pharaoh], so we threw them [into the fire], and thus did As-Samiri throw." [20:87] And he extracted for them [the statue of] a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot." [20:88] Did they not see that it could not return to them any speech and that it did not possess for them any harm or benefit? [20:89] And Aaron had already told them before [the return of Moses], "O my people, you are only being tested by it, and indeed, your Lord is the Most Merciful, so follow me and obey my order." [20:90] They said, "We will never cease being devoted to the calf until Moses returns to us." [20:91] ♣ ... Moses was given a Scripture (Torah x The Law ), and ten scrolls (before he was given the Torah). Basically, whats inside the Torah is karma. The law of karma. An eye for an eye. On Torah Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers. And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. Gospel And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient. Quran And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. 5:44-48 ... My understanding of these scriptures in general, is that the Old Testament is referring to the Jewish Scripture & the New Testament to the Christian scripture. From my pov, if you are a christian then you are a jew. @tsukiMoses law is way stricter than prophet Muhammad's, hence not many can follow it (back then). It has been reduced to five daily prayer during the prophet's ascension. He met Moses.

Quran's views on the People of the Book (Jews & Christians Scriptures) ♣ 5. Al-Maidah : The Table Spread And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah(alms) and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way." 12 So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. 13 And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do. 14 O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book. 15 By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darkness into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path. 16 They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent. 17 But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination. 18 O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, "There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner." But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent. 19 ...

This is how you went from 2d to 3d @Nivsch (Still haven't decided how I wanna start this.) ... Can you set up the rules @tsuki? Do you want it to be strictly on Holy Scriptures or u wouldn't mind some of my synchronicity that is related to the flow of this thread.

Are you a muslim? Qurān is a paradox. A full circle text. Good & evil included.. One verse will say that this world is a play. Another will say that it wasn't for play. The key is to understand it as a whole. How we read it is up to us. Different levels of people will understand it differently. The Qurān is miraculous. The Vision of the Qurān is Al-Fātihah , The Opening ... (Will hide this if you wish)

Sure Actually I had been in a blackhole a lot as a kid. But that's only it. Literal black? Like you're falling? @zeroISinfinity ... I read those book(s) naturally. I wasn't into enlightenment prior to the end of 2018. I read whatever I feel like reading. Actually I am not even into enlightenment. I simply wanna know if x x .. Which I have known. Long time ago. (2019) Book that i'm reading is not me. It is a reflection of me but not me.

To muslim [49:12] O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful. To humankind [49:13] O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples(of races) and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. To those who are muslim only by name [49:14] The bedouins say, "We have believed." Say, "You have not [yet] believed; but say [instead], 'We have submitted,' for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." Faith Is [49:15] The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah . It is those who are the truthful. I don't think racism is still a thing in the muslim world.. even the world at large. Who's racist?

Sure If God wills

I think to believe is to listen... (Instead of reacting or responding with voice&language or arguing) ... [2:285] The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination." *instant insight*

I think the Qurān speaks a lot about Moses & his Law. Jesus too.

Which Bible do you read? @tsuki These are the Qurān's perspective on the Torah & Injeel. (Moses & Jesus scriptures) 5:41-48 (Chapter 5 in the Qurān is specifically about the Jews & the Christians. We also have a chapter called Mary) One fact about prophet Muhammad was, he is illiterate. He couldn't write or read. ... When I first read the bible, I immediately know where things got mixed up. It is in it's translations. Proceed to Qurān 5:116-120 to see what I mean. . There is one chapter in the Qurān named Ar-Rūm (The Romans) . The Christians in this chapter are considered as muslims. The people of the book. When they are promised victory. . ♣Proceed to Qurān 5:72-77 (more on Jesus Christ) ♣The first chapter is pretty close. Genesis 37 - 50 (On Prophet Joseph) Compare it to Sūra Yūsuf. It is different. He didn't tell his brothers about the dream. In the bible, it was the sheaves of the brothers bowing down to his. In the Qurān, it was eleven stars, sun and moon, all bowing down to him. (Chapter 12) brothers~ Kinda similar but different. Its chronology is pretty consistent. (I didn't know that Jacob have three wives. Joseph&Benjamin being the sons of Rachel) The Qurān only speaks of the wisdom , not too much on the details. Focusing on the values in each stories. ♣ 16:103 And We certainly know that they say, "It is only a human being who teaches the Prophet." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, and this Qur'an is [in] a clear Arabic language. The prophet didn't learn it from someone else. It was a revelation. This is NKJV. Another one is the ESV study bible. I don't read it all though. Qurān 23:91 Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him].

Which Bible do you read? @tsuki

How i'm feeling now? He is the ugliest member. But I like him the most. He's got the best energy/vibes. I am into japanese songs. My username was actually from his japanese stage name. D-lite.

I love this synchronicity☔ بنات. نبات. Another one that i've noticed today.

Speaking...hmm idk. Sometimes I understand better through reading than through other people's teachings of someone's book.

I used to write a lot during my teenagehood. But then I got no time for that anymore. And writing becomes too slow for me. Writing is second degree. Reading third.

♣ [5:111] And [remember] when I inspired to the disciples, "Believe in Me and in My messenger Jesus." They said, "We have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims [in submission to Allah ]." -Qurān- This is referring to the Christians way back in the time of Jesus. Allah describes this story to prophet Muhammad.

A not so old book.

Albert Einstein is not only a physicist. I like this sides of him too. This is an old book.

This reminds me of one of my writing I did sometime ago. Wealth is water and land. Not those money. *in actuality* One affect all. Do not disrupt that balance. It is only one world anyway.

♣ for example : [5:68] Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people. [5:69] Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. [5:70] We had already taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and had sent to them messengers. Whenever there came to them a messenger with what their souls did not desire, a party [of messengers] they denied, and another party they killed. [5:71] And they thought there would be no [resulting] punishment, so they became blind and deaf. Then Allah turned to them in forgiveness; then [again] many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is Seeing of what they do. -Qurān-