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@kieranperez Oh wow, I am reading a book about the exact thing just now.....

What have you learned from those 9 books? It's weird that you didn't feel like you're getting anything out of those 9 books, or that it didn't inspire you to do something. Hmmm......? Did you read just for the sake of reading? Or to find answers?

@okulele the moment you think you've known everything, that's when u lose My guru says....the seven skies and the seven layers of earth altogether, compared to what's real is like a ring in a desert~

@Leo Gura Okay

@Hellspeed hahhahaha ok. But I don't understand hahaha?

My guru had explained it to me. And I understand it. But in case if you had a different view from what I understand. But ok. I think I had understand it. It shouldn't be contradictory..

Okay. I know you're gonna say that. Because it has to be experienced. I'm just gonna experience this life and beyond then. & apply what i've known.

Yes. Still wanna know. I got my answer, but in case i'd be missing on something fundamental if I got it wrong. Can you explain?

@kieranperez This means, sometimes in life, no matter how hard it is, when it comes to being 'Right' and to do Justice, we have to do it anyway.Even if the heart says no. The heart can't be a weakling. For example, if you're a judge, and your daughter commit a crime. You should convict her even if your heart probably screams no. Sometimes it's a matter of doing justice and being truthful to everything. You can't be bias. The heart is love. But doing the right thing is more important. Another example, sometimes I would do anything but the work that i'm supposed to do. My heart simply says no.Coming up will all creative ideas and doing everything but that work i'm supposed to do Haha. That's distraction. It's either you fight head on with your heart and do that work rigorously, or find the root cause of why you act the way you do. That's all. Sometimes the heart can be a weakling?. Sometimes it is directing you to the real thing. Either way,deal with it mindfully. @Hellspeed is simply sharing her wisdom. *it can also means rationality vs intuition.. which sometimes really messed me up..

Nothing=everything is also God's Creations~

@Hellspeed Thank you hellspeed. For reminding me to focus on inner self. To focus on my relation to God. It was probably my ego backlash haha. From doubting and not surrendering/trusting God completely. You hv no idea what I went through last week. And I was a bit too excited upon knowing &discovering(i'm new to this so it's not possible for me to be as cool & as calm as you , I was a bit too excited as everything started to make sense to me, but honestly it wasn't easy, my lowest point so far in life. Not so much on the outside, but I was so curious about God to the point that I wouldn't mind dying(not suicide but the thought that I wouldn't mind it if God were to take away my life soon,in my religion, dying means returning to God. If you do good deeds you can see God after the day of judgement) But now that I think about it, I can't die yet, I have to fix myself first so that I could see God in my purest form, I can't die now i'm still a bit messed up haha silly me. Then I remembered tht it's possible to see glimpses of what it's like in this lifetime. And if I die, I would at least know the reality of this dimension, since dying means transcending the lower dimension. At least I know what soul state was like. Haha silly. It was just my curiosity to see it myself. I've only known about it conceptually.But nevermind, what I learn is, to be grateful for this life & to do my best while i'm still alive. So that I could meet God in my purest state. What i'm really doubting before is actually about free will vs faith. I doubt it so much that I wanna test it myself and learn it the hard way. And I put myself into unnecessary suffering instead of trusting God 100%. I'm doubting whether I should make a judgement based on rationality or God's guidance. I already act on some crazy decisions but I'm still doubting if I made the right decision. In other words, not trusting God. But not anymore. I'm calm now. (In islam, there is a prayer where you can ask God for guidance and God had answered my prayer but it's.....a bit hard for me to follow hence all the doubting) it wasn't easy really. It's really funny when I look back, now that i've seen the wisdom behind it haha. This is so funny. I am currently attending a one week programme. Discussing about God, and guess what? Everything has been answered now. All my curiosity ,questions and doubts haha. @Hellspeed It can be understood conceptually because I had understand it now^^ Everything had made so much sense now...... Sorry for not being respecful before, that was really not mindful of me as I was only looking from my perspective and was a bit too excited when everything started to make sense to me. That was right before the session start. My mind is still very much limited. And I have learnt so much within this two days. Learning wayy beyond what I thought I had known haha. And there is so much more to learn. It was unexpected. I'm curious about other things now... Sorry about assuming that everyone was interested in cross-learning of different perspective. In reality, it was just me trying to know the essence of God...and make sense of everything as a whole. Now that I think about it, of course it would just be a distraction to those who had find real Truth,i'm sorry. Even the prophet, God revealed the revelations gradually. Not the whole book at once and that's it, I wasn't in my right mind before (curiosity kills). It took 23years for the quran to be revealed and learned/implemented in the prophet's life. After that, he died. When it has become complete. But he only changed dimension, no one will ever really die. And now I see the truth in all of this different perspectives as a whole. It has to make sense to me or else i'd be anxious. But really, the real problem is, my lack of basic knowledge about my own religion. But i'm fine now^^. But human tends to forget. There is so much truth in everything. And I genuinely respect all the masters/gurus/auliyaa'/saints and sages who had known the real Truth. I am nowhere near being enlightened. In my religion it's okay not to be Awakened in this dimension as we will return to God after we died. And those who do good deeds can see God without barriers. And it is beyond what we can imagine..... I learn so much within this two days. Everything make so much sense now.......... Everything new (creations)is subject to change. Hell and heaven are God's Creations too. Including other dimensions(both dimensions in this world and the afterlife). All creations are subject to change. Only God is permanent and Absolute. But God created everything as a Mercy.......and Creations won't know completely of the wisdom behind God's plan....... In this whole thing called maya( we call it something new ) , the people from a higher dimension can see those from a lower dimension.....my guru said he had met the prophet in his dream a few times... and others too....I feel so left behind now. And became curious about something else now haha. Sorry i'm a newbie, can't help but to be excited?

@Hellspeed Yes I agree. 100%. Faith without discovery,understanding and experience will be blind. But it's still worth it. Okay from now on I will focus on my inner work.(my relation to God) I know God's plan is already perfect. Everyone had their own specific task in this dimension. Determined by God. You know yours. And I know mine. What's important is we do our best. It is to praise God. And surrender to God^^ But we can't do that without real understanding. That's why inquiring is important. Actually it's for those who already see the interconnectedness of everything but kinda blurry. Like me, when I integrate what I aready know with others perspective it kinda make sense to me. Actually now I am learning back to basic. I don't mind not seeing it in this lifetime. But if God do let me see it, then that's also fine. What's important is the process. *but it comes with effort. Or simply by God's Mercy.

In the name of Allah,the most Gracious and the most Compassionate Be grateful for whatever God had given you right in this moment. Don't take it for granted. I mean, everything..... Whatever that you're experiencing in the now. There will be a moment when Everything will return to Him.... Don't take your lifetime for granted either. We'll never know when we will return to God. Appreciate those around you. And learn as much as you can while God is still giving you the chance of life. To learn. And bring everyone together with you, don't let others be unconscious forever....for there will be a consequences in the next dimension. But again, there is a wisdom in everything. I hadn't truly see it clearly yet. For only God knows what's best. Be grateful for life, for God's love and mercy, for every creation in this dimension, don't deny what God had granted for you. See the greatness of God in this world. Don't let the Ego blinds u from seeing the beauty of God's creations. Of God's plans. Of everything. There is indeed a deep wisdom in everything~ Only if we could understand........ (I don't btw, i'm still a messed up human being stumbling over and over again doubting while following God's guidance. It's a test anyway, for us to grow. What's important is the lesson learned. But whatever. Keep growing. The moment u think u had known everything, that's when u lose) God will test you till not a single doubt left. Till u surrendered yourself completely to God. 100%. Only then, u'll be calm and at ease with everything. Don't expect it to be easy, if u want it to be easier.. There is so much more to this. So much more....... What if I tell you, before everything returned to God, there will be phases after we're physically dead..... The journey of the soul. What if I tell you, there will be a time when each of your actions will be put upon justice. What if I tell you, hell and heaven exist, just like this world that seems so real in this moment. Yes, everything will return to God. But that's the final destination. There's so much more in between. Starting from when we died physically. If u had found the real Truth, and knows everything the way it really is, then there shall be no fears in you. Unless you can be in God's POV eternally, don't tell me that after life didn't exist. But how do we know that we really know everything? God is the greatest. I'd feel bad if I didn't share what I had known n keep it to myself. But I also know that God knows better. Just so everyone know, the Quran is a Mercy to mankind directly from God, through angel Gabriel, through the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon Him. It's crystal clear. For everyone with no exception. It's God's Mercy. And it's not contradictory to previous 'real ' revelations either. The most recent, and is authentic. Preserved by God. I didn't meant to say this to those who already know, but to those who didn't know and are lost like me. What i've learned the hard way recently, free will vs faith. Free will is indeed relative to faith. Free will is relative to faith. It can be 100:0, 50:50 and 0:100 ratio. And anything in between. Depending on your Ego, God will test you. Free will only appears to you when u're still doubting. And it will continue to be relevant till u learn it the hard way and give yourself up and surrendered to God completely. 100% . That's why it's hard. To have faith is not easy. Not when u hadn't been tested by God. But it wouldn't work for u unless you test and experiment it yourself , only then you will believe it. Or else it wouldn't work. (Why hadn't anyone tell me this? Or am I not listening haha) Just know that God is the sustainer of all thing. Of Everything, that if you trust God 100% , God will sustain your living, and complete your everything, there shall be no worries & fears left. Your faith will be complete. With God's love and Mercy. The lower your faith is, the higher is the free will given to you by God. Just to test you. Till you learn it the hard way. And surrendered yourself to God completely. But you can't fake faith. That's it. It's between you, and God. And no one else. Be grateful for everything. For the already perfect God's Creations that is this life. Don't take it for granted. From my POV who didn't know nothing *without God

There are two ways to enlightenment. Both will leads to Enlightenment, to God/Truth. It's up to you from which side you wanna start the journey, it will go full circle and the ending will still be the very same Truth From Christian perspective: The world says, if I see it, then I will believe it. Faith says, if I believe it, then I will see it. From Islamic perspective: 264 Al-Hikam, Ibn Ata-Allah Al-Iskandari. Contemplation is of two types: 1)contemplation of belief and faith, 2)contemplation of witnessing and seeing. The first is for those who are apt to learn lessons [from what they see] and the second is for those that experience the vision [of God] and have insight. Worry not as both will leads you to Truth. Don't rush it either. I am just about to start the journey too. And knowing this make me feels lighter. *I don't know which one is harder though. Maybe the difficulty level would be on par? But first, you need to get rid of your past trauma/attachment/egoic judgement first. Only then you can see things clearly.Easier said than done but you have to work it out anyway. It's unavoidable~ Good luck everyone! wish me luck! Haha But to be realistic, there is the other side of the coin too. Which can leads to the utmost suffering.... so be mindful.... *wait there's too many ways things can go wrong and right so I'm gonna choose faith* Haha there's too many variables in this and I'm not gonna talk about it and I'll leave it to God.

@kieranperez It's not madness. That's only to show you not to take life way too seriously. Nothing will ever last forever in this 'dimension'. Not the sufferings, neither the money that you accumulate, except the goodness that you left behind... Focus on what really matters....and find the balance within~

Haha you're funny. What is it, shamanism? Okay i'll look it up~ *but this would be another distraction~

No, not in my country. But of course we look up to those who are the good one among the older generations. What killing?..........

Yea I won't take it for granted. But I see how it can be improved. It's chaotic now, racism is still a thing, only the youths are fine with each other. But not the older generations. Not all, but in general. But as I said, it is also more fun because there are more opportunities for change

Because I don't understand it at first. And the one in my country hadn't produce such effect though the system is democracy and multiculturalism.....

Why? I am just a practicing Muslim~ You simply understand things better with gaining knowledge and unbias observations.

But even this, will create an even more chaotic system (though it's more fun), if handled by chaotic leaders with chaotic citizens ranging from all stages in the spiral dynamic haha . The ideal solution would be to move people towards open mindedness and acceptance, moving to a higher stage of spiral dynamic while maintaining everyone's values. *or is it way too idealistic? The only reason that people can't maintain their values or respecting other's values is because of close mindedness. This is the root cause of all problems. Including ISIS, or whatever ideologies and values that you hold to. Even the good one. Hahaha but it is impossible to convince radicals to be more open minded so whatever~

That would be the perfect system. Creating more adventurers while still maintaining the values and goodness of each island. Sustainable system in the long run.

Okay but to be realistic, not everyone love adventures. So we do need a system to keep things in control and at peace.

@Eric Tarpall wouldn't the utmost success be the ability to see the interconnectedness of everything? Once you have explored everything from your tiny island, wouldn't you want to explore everything else and had some adventure? To see the wisdom of everything? and learn from it to keep growing infinitely.....

Haha okay i had understand it now.