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@Saumaya right, as i said many and even most posts on here infer or say the opposite including the most recent when i posted that last post. i'm not implying i wasn't agreeing with you.

a lot of it seems to be stage green talk confusing itself as "enlightenment" which is why i understand that leo feels often misunderstood or something along those lines in his turquoise video

Leo: "What Enlightenment is Not: A belief, a model, a theory, a concept, an idea, an ideology, a rational knowing, a philosophical position" 90% of the posts completely go against this items. After reading his guide its very clear why it obviously none of those things, its "no-thing" which makes perfect sense

success is a concept, where would you even draw the line, would an "enlightened being" not eat? would they simply die? obviously this does not seem to be the case as for example David Hawkins is a successful author. He seemed to do something that could be construed as success, so he must not be "enlightened" according to the post, because he would never do something as to write a book or become "successful" doing something, hes too enlightened for that of course...

@OBEler it is his "practical guide" and for example, the latest post by someone just said "enlightened people do not do purse success." aka there are limits to enlightenment and these include not engaging with life in a way where circumstances would improve from an outsiders perspective. if your behavior exhbits improving "your life" an enlightened person would not do that. these kinds of posts are making all these claims about "enlightenment"that have nothing to do with it, at least in the way leo describes and tolle describes etc. leo is never claiming that when you have a realization there is a definitive way you "have to live"

@Saumaya no i'm literally saying i developed a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is from this forum, there is a lot of information against what your saying presented by people here. if you look at leos guide alone, which i never really did it makes complete sense.

@Saumaya haha yes, that's what i thought before this forum, then i started to develop the believe otherwise unconsciously based on the posts as part of the hivemind i am regaining that belief now lol. Not Leo's general posts, the community more-so.

@Leo Gura I actually get it now I read your main enlightenment page more in depth and you're referring to experientially realizing the awareness that you ultimately are and always have been, as the constant which i got from reading tolles work a few years ago, not about having a specific ideology. I don't remember him using the word "enlightenment" so I had never attached that specific word to the awareness realization. In fact really thought about that concept until recently after hearing it in videos and later on here thinking it was some specific mystical experience with beliefs tied in. I would not appear like a traditionally "enlightened person" would look in preferences, appearance, or way of being (i assume) aka i never developed a "spiritual ego". The confusion stemmed from many posts on here which are more describing "what an enlightened person looks like" or "what an ideology is like for an enlightened entity" (again not your posts), however now it has ultimately strengthened the realization, so thank you lol.

So what I’m saying is not to pursue the concept if your seeing it as I do. In fact it’s probably incorrect if you’re perceiving it that way. I was enjoying nearly every moment become I came across the concept in the way I perceive it now (which is wrong) if that makes sense. Now i just feel confused and of course like I’m secretly trying to live up to something I never was before. So my mind definitely has a misunderstanding even if I’m aware of that misunderstanding. more specially the concept that ii possess of "enlightenment" is different then that to which you refer, so im ditching the concept. also that i was likely closer to that to which you refer before i developed this concept of "enlightenment." I think there is a good amount of misinformation rolling around the forums through individuals posts conceptually that may lead individuals to develop this same misunderstanding of that to which you refer that I have if that makes sense.

@Leo Gura I definitely am based on the concepts I have recently come across, but I’m saying the concept of it that I have understood makes me feel very bad, and I think a lot of the posts (not necessarily your and from my recollection not yours) could lead others to similar misunderstandings as in a set of rules to live up to that creep into your mind. It seems like everyone had a different definition in the first place.

And to clarify someone explicitly said on a recent forum on here enlightenment requires giving up happiness and appreciation of life

@Viking as I set here in this amazing rain typing this appreciating the unbelievable pouring ran, the wind, and the trees around me as a unique yet connected individual, I think the same thing. Why do I need to see life as a “stupid illusion” and kill my “self”. I’m so thankful to be alive and appreciate all this amazingness around me as a separate appreciating individual as well as all the deep mystical experiences that meditation and high vibrations bring, and he ability to create obviously uninherent meanings in life. if “enlightenment” as it was said on a forum requires giving all that up I no longer have any interest in its pursuit.

@Saumaya in my experience that’s what this forum leads to assuming that if you care about or are enjoying life you’re doing something wrong

And you could say that it doesn’t count but I have consistent ones I utilize so often that may as well be “real egos”

Also with this said the answer is definitely yes, one of my favorite hobbies is to intentionally create different egos. When I was a kid I used to be a Magician or a rockstar or something and I’d act like it, to this day I still do it. Depending on when you met me I could seem like a Charlie sheen type, a five year old, or even a Jordan Belford megalomaniac ahaha.

@tsuki haha it’s so funny you say it that way, in my life hard work was always the thing that I avoided because I felt so amazing I didn’t want to stop the party. Only recently have I discovered that you can enjoy work like a video game and see how amazing it is when small little touches on a keyboard make things appear that you like or can build an entire digital infrastructure or how you can start from a zero point realize now and then watch the slow incremental changes as your life and the world around you morphs lmao.

Also I found this article which I thought was interesting https://theunityprocess.com/the-war-against-individuality/

If you take a lot of these spirituality ideologies all the way and literally, they are anti-life. Now I’m not even saying there is anything wrong with that. But that definitely doesn’t feel good.

@Mikael89 that’s what I’m saying, it contains the qualities so it can’t be that qualities, it only can be that quality as individual expression in relation to another individual expression

@Mikael89 and I’d argue that God (everything) isn’t unique as everything because to make that judgement it would have to be compared against something which it can’t ultimately

@Mikael89 idk but identifying as God or everything feels very wrong where as seeing myself and everyone else as unique beings all connected and everything as god but respecting that uniqueness as sacred itself literally made me have crazy experiencess and feel like I was soaring out of my body haha

@tsuki interesting I’ll have to check him out. With your question I would say it was like 95% of the time. I was in college up until recently so I created my own bs major with bs classes like African music and pottery lmao and took only other classes with no tests and outsourced all the work online. I would just go around campus everyday blasting my favorite music or the gym talking with people I knew or random people gaining energetic momentum certain points I was in so “rapture” I would call it and I felt unbelievable like I as some force was lifting out of my body and that did freak me out (I also drank caffeine all day so that contributed). Then like I said all these synchronicities started happening like people had an extra ticket to my favorite band or would give me free stuff I happened to have been thinking about. Ihad to figure out what was happening but I felt like I went too deep and now when I get excited or want to do something like work on my music or an online business around a passion or start fantasizing about amazing things or generally enjoying myself I hear Leo’s voice “oh that’s just your little ego, you should suppress it” or “oh is that something a stage x in spiral dynamics would do” Not anyones fault obv, I’m probably misinterpreting what he’s saying but whenever I start to get excited or want to do something for myself like I feel this “oh I’m not being spiritual, remember no ego” tug. Even eating healthily now my mind is like “well technically this is a selfish, I’m a concept...I don’t exist..etc life is supposed to be pointless.” I do it anyway obviouslY and I know that’s not what he means but that anxiety is now there where it wasn’t before and I feel suppressed so I just have to stop looking at this kind of stuff lol.

For example “life is suffering” never occurred to me It seems like enlightenment needs to make a point to make sure you hold that perspective which I never held and know that “you don’t exist and that life is stupid so why try “ seems to be a very depressing anti life philosophy. I never thought life had any inherent meaning before but always saw that as a positive, enlightenment at least how it’s presented here seems to want to make sure you see life as silly and something not to engage with. I could be misinterpreting thing but all this “kill the ego” “don’t feel special ever” talk is very depressing to me. Essentially I pretty much always lived my life doing what I wanted and never caring about anyone’s opinion of me or what I was doing or how I was living and felt great. Then “Truth” or “real spirituality” or whatever seems to be presented by these gurus came with all the rules and “ego monitoring”, so at this point I’m gonna ditch it

@Anna1 no, I was extremely happy being uniquely me, not better or worse than anything just me authentically always and I had made a point to be as authentic as I possibly could to my resonance always living in the moment all day, then I started having mystical experiences and crazy synchronicities and amazing bliss non stop and literally it felt like I had superpowers because the universe started essentially delivering opportunities to me, which I started to research and learned was the law of attraction and high vibrations etc. I started leaning more and more about spirituality then found out about “enlightenment” which seems all about “you’re nothing not unique” etc and I started to feel bad and my quality of life diminished.

I was the happiest person I had known my entire life to the point where people would constantly say that I was the most consistently happy person they had known until I found out about "enlightment" no joke, literally the discovery of this "enlightenment" has been the worst thing to ever happen to me lol