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There are certainly things I haven't become conscious of yet. I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about. I have had multiple awakenings including deaths of various kinds. I have certainly become conscious of the Absolute. You say that you're completely done? (whatever that means) I can guarantee you that that's not the case.

It's not a belief I speak from direct experience. 1. I already am the absolute. 2. What is "this"?

I believe that it's theoretically possible without psychedelics. But you don't know the inverse. It's just different tools. It's also very likely that every person walks their own path. Psychedelics are certainly a completely valid one. Also every path has advantages and disadvantages.

Says who? How is that not just a belief?

Allow me to quote myself:

Except that it is just that. But then there's more. It's not really conveyable per words because words are a part of what you try to explain as is everything else. Ok let me try it this way: THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE. THE END. But now YOU AS THE ABSOLUTE are in the process of BECOMING. There's agency involved. This becoming happens in a perfect way, but it's not at all known how exactly it will unfold. Only that it will eventually. This is the Absolute reminding itself that IT IS NOT YET FINISHED. Both statements (there is nothing but the ever-perfect unchanging Absolute; the Absolute is in the process of Becoming) are true at the same time and this transcends human logic. The error that's being done is discarding one side of the coin (the Becoming) and only accepting the other side (the unchanging Absolute). That's where you get stuck.

That's strawmanning. It's not about there being something above the Absolute. The Absolute is something totally different than you think. It's about becoming CONSCIOUS of the Absolute. That's not a binary insight that you just get some afternoon.

Because it imagines everything lol The error is discarding the imagination as "just a dream".

To add to that: How can you imagine something that you don't know? Is it even possible? How do you create something that doesn't exist yet? More narrowly: How can we create our own future that's not just our past repeated in another way? How can something totally new begin if nobody knows it yet? Answer: We have connect with the great UNKNOWN. How? By dropping everything we thought we knew. That requires leaving all comfort behind for a moment. To progress we must burn our whole past to death. How? By bringing the fire of consciousness in contact with it. Why didn't we do that already? Because we're afraid and hold onto that which gives us safety. We have to dive headfirst into the shadows because there's nothing to fear, but that has to be experienced not just conceptually understood. We on this planet hold on to the past because we're afraid of the shadows. We're afraid of the UNKNOWN. The UNKNOWN is to find where nobody looks. As long as that's the case we relive them again and again. That's an invitation. Every bad thing that's ever happened to you is an invitation to look more deeply. Darkness, evil, ugliness is everything that hasn't been seen through yet, because we're afraid and thought there's nothing to see anyway. It's too painful because we understand on some deeper level that there's nothing but us and we're afraid to see our own ugliness and imperfection. The problem is that you think you know, but YOU DON'T. And you'll only realize that when you WATCH AND SEE. Go into the shadows. I'm still in the process to find the right words for this stuff, but I feel that there's incredible value here concerning our own progression individually and as a species on this planet. It's okay to get angry because we've been complacent for so long. That anger is LOVE, not being content anymore to play those silly games. WE CAN BREAK THROUGH, but there needs to be a critical mass of PEOPLE THAT BURNT THEMSELVES TO ASHES BY THEIR OWN CONSCIOUSNESS. We need to kindle a storm of fire. And then something new will arise out of it. But that's the only way. There will be a freedom, a rejoicing that's absolutely unheard of and on a whole new level. There's a serious possibility here. This has gotten a bit rambly, as I said, still working on finding the right words. Thoughts?

I see where you're coming from. Been there done that. You will have to see it for yourself, but let me give you a hint: 1. It is much better than you think and if it seems terrible then you're mislead 2. Others exist, but not as separate entities from you. What you do to them you do to yourself. This insight will in fact make you feel MORE connected to everyone and not less. But you have to get through that valley to the other side. That's why solipsism is so dangerous when it's not fully integrated. It can lead to a huge surge in suffering and ego, but that's based on falsehood 3. Until then Just act as if though everyone would exist separately. Fake it till you make it.. to the other side Fully integrated it leads to true acts of selfless love. That can also be the gateway (it was in my case): Find that one person in your life that you love unconditionally. Feel deeply into your connection to that person until it feels absolutely real. Until you can see the aliveness and beauty in that person. That beauty is potentially able to break through your current illusion. That could be your exercise from now on, if you'd like. Another exercise: Go into the darkness and ugliness and look at it from a position of utmost wakefulness, but don't let it disturb you into looking away, until you penetrate it with your consciousness and see through it.

Rationality is what holds you back. Dropping that requires courage.

Projection is an amazing thing That's exactly what would happen to you if you'd stop clinging to your seemingly impenetrable logic. You're completely lost in logic.. But that's not TRUTH That's a complete assumption. I KNOW that my understanding is not final. But it's got certainly a lot of beauty in it already, and that's the benchmark for any worldview. "But what if everything isn't beautiful, but ugly in the end" I hear you say. To which I can only reply: WATCH and see for yourself Look especially at the ugliness! It's actually a great pointer. And then see what happens...

As has been said numerous times, if solipsism makes you depressed, you didn't grasp it completely. It's actually the most beautiful thing ever.

Me too, I love discussions like that That's the juiciness of this forum IMO. We're both right in a sense. But consider that there's a thing called pre/post fallacy, as I'm sure you already know. Recognition of the Absolute isn't the end, but I know that it seems that way from that point of view. That's actually the beauty of it.

There's no difference between the so-called hallucination and absolute beingness. Absolute Beingness is achieved through Absolute Evolution, which is happening at this very moment. That's all there is. What you call absolute beingness is just a relative concept because it has an opposite.

It's actually radical non-duality. And also radical duality, which is the absolutely fucking same thing.

Now that I come to think of it, I would even go further and say evolution is the process by which the absolute creates itself. It is Absolute Becoming.

Of course it's just a model, but a pretty useful one to describe evolution. Evolution is real. The absolute couldn't exist without it, or at least not experience itself, which is the whole point. To discredit it as "just a dream" or a hallucination is just a temporary notion that, too, will pass. And you will think "THANK GOD" when you find out.

Wrong, that’s turquoise. In coral you realize that evolution, in fact, goes on. But evolution becomes something completely different. It’s not longer something physical or on the outside, it’s an evolution of the absolute itself (which is of course already completed.. that’s the paradox nature of the absolute). the absolute IS evolution

By not choosing otherwise. Yes, it’s all deliberate choosing. How can you guarantee that you’ll always choose up? Well, that problem doesn’t exist. You just don’t trust yourself enough yet.

@zurew when I remember and interpret my experience I could sure be wrong. But it doesn’t really matter. Because I know that when I know I KNOW. Doubt is a device to prevent realizing GOD at all times. But there are moments where doubt is absolutely impossible - or are they maybe even created when doubt is dropped completely. You see this current experience is ingeniously crafted. There are so many things to deter you from the truth - namely doubt, insanity, death, etc. If you wanna see past that you have to be bold.. and just take the leap. But that requires tremendous courage. Because it is not at all guaranteed.. all your apprehensions may come true. But at some point you gotta do it anyway.

@zurew How can you prove that you exist (or something at least)? You don't have to because it's obvious. Now assume that there could be more things than your mere existence which you can become directly conscious of in the same way. It's like taking notice of something that's just obvious. You don't have to prove it because you just see.

@justfortoday There are a lot of assumptions and projections going on here. This place is amazing to throw perspectives around, learning about other perspectives, practicing framing your perspective in a way that leads to less misunderstandings and learning about what kinds of misunderstandings there commonly are and what exactly their - and your own - blind spots are. If all you do is go on this forum to know-it-all and parrot bullshit and don't do the work it can of course be toxic to your growth. As with everything else, it's about quantity and quality of the usage of the tool. As I see it, this is a place with a very unique set of individuals with pretty advanced perspectives in contrast to the average person or even spiritual subreddits and so on. And that has tremendous value I think. We're all in this together. If you found fresh perspectives and new awakenings somewhere else that's absolutely great, but you and you're awakenings are not necessarily superior because of that. In the end disagreement is what advances our collective understanding of this amazing mystery that is this universe. The only thing that really stunts our progression to levels of consciousness that we couldn't even begin to dream of right now is thinking we did already reach our destination. Not only are we - and I mean every single one of us and humanity as a whole - not there yet. We're not even aware of some of the paradigms that will be utterly shattered. And that's all I know.

You wouldn't believe it even if I could tell you If you think you have an idea what consciousness can do, you're completely deluded. That's sadly the state most "enlightened" people are in. They convinced themselves - after realizing that there's nothing but the absolute - that the rest is only fascinating little games to play.. if you may wish so. THATS COMPLETELY FALSE!! You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. This is not just a detail, this IS the absolute, and if you think that doesn't matter then you didn't get the absolute AT ALL, really.