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Advancing happens through shedding the old paradigms and assuming higher ones, with more Truth and Love in them. There will always be paradigms, but you got to empty your hands first before you can receive the greater gift.

Yep but at least I don't deny it Nothing wrong with paradigms, it's paradigm-lock that's dangerous.

I know I don't hate none of these things. I'm gonna Love them to Death I Love You, too ?

@gettoefl You're welcome

That's certainly false. Go to the jungle and meet some tribes, or some kid in the middle-east that dies early. What about him? What about animals? This whole theory has more holes than swiss cheese (jeez)

The reason I harp on about it like that is because I got a taste of what's in store for humanity, a taste of our true potential and the significance of that. And one thing was absolutely clear: ALL ideas and concepts that currently exist must be dropped. NOTHING of it can remain. It must all be burned and deconstructed because it is what's holding us back. That includes all religions and our current idea of spirituality, every idea of what is possible and impossible. It is all falsehood and must be completely destroyed. This is beyond non-duality and enlightenment.

True. But it doesn't stop you from being paradigm-locked.

@Water by the River Yeah that sounds pretty much what I'm talking about this whole time. The "split-mindedness". That means you are rooted deeply in yourself, but the dream doesn't become less important and juicy, it becomes MORE profound. My message is just this: Don't stop at the first part. Because after that we can begin to build something far more advanced here than currently is the case. We got incredible potential here and that doesn't become meaningless by Awakening, quite the contrary. Awakening isn't the end, it's the beginning. What's there to do? AWAKEN MORE. Yes, it's possible.

You're like a tree that has grown roots into the ground, and now decided that that's it. It's stable, feels safe, and you get nourished. This is not false, it is even necessary. But what about reaching for the sky? Even if you know you'll never reach it — but it's so beautiful to grow. The true art of spirituality is to have deep roots in the ground and then develop the most beautiful crown to join the birds up there. Being rooted is only one half of your nature. But the other half is what brings you in contact with the mysteries of the cosmos. If you've reached it it can't be heaven.

@StarStruck The Absolute is what IS. Everything else are thoughts, ideas, experiences that come and go. That means your enlightenment CAN'T be an experience. That's totally valid. But everything else are assumptions and concepts about that. For example that experience is less important than non-experience. What if experience is the important part and the non-experience is not really that interesting? How could you know that that can't be true? It has to be an assumption, you can't know that.

That makes it sound like it's optional, it's just some details. Just settling into it, but you got the main point figured out. That's exactly what in science happens again and again. The sentiment that it's just a few details that need more figuring out, but we got the gist of it. Only for something to come along and shatter the whole core of understanding up to this point. You'll maybe say "but enlightenment is not science!!", but the same mechanism applies. To think that there's no other possibility and it's just the reality should already make you suspicious, that's a tell-tale sign of being locked in a paradigm. Maybe you even dropped all your ideas and concepts in that moment. But now you've just adopted new ones.

@Water by the River You even deny that it's a framework of thinking and conceptualization. The non-dual awareness in itself is not wrong, but as soon as you're talking about it it's already an idea. Attached to that is the idea that now you've reached some kind of final destination. OR you think that everything else is kind of irrelevant. Both are assumptions and both are false.

It doesn't. At the moment of "enlightenment" you begin (or rather continue) to build a framework around it and it becomes falsehood. I don't exactly question what it points to, it has some kernel of truth. But it's not what's being made out of it, it's not what you think and it's certainly not the end.

That's not at all what I'm saying. Enlightenment is just another thing to transcend.

God didn’t create non-existence. Non-existence created God.

It’s not random but also not deterministic.

1. Pain and suffering are two different things 2. You can’t will yourself to have 0 resistance 3. Without pain no pleasure 4. Suffering is often the best teacher 5. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature 6. Trying to eliminate suffering leads to more suffering 7. The opposite of suffering is Love

Good

@BlackPhil There are actually many worldviews here. In fact we all disagree with each other ?

@BlackPhil Well I don't want to take any healing you received away from you, I'm happy for you. But I don't think you will have much luck here conversing people into your worldview. When I met Jesus he said everything's allright. He can't believe what they did to his teachings when he was gone

@BlackPhil Jesus, isn't a thread enough already

I quite like it here. I thought heaven is a place on earth

I'm pretty sure a muslim would disagree.

But who created the creation? I thought God is allmighty? Didn't create God at least the one that created the creation