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Do you experience that? I am totally me, but I'm also grounded in the Absolute. I'm aware of the absoluteness of the Absolute, but I don't feel less myself, I feel MORE connected to this experience and body. It's kind of like lucid dreaming and it's amazing. I don't know if someday I wake up and think "oh, there's nobody there" but that sounds so silly. I can see the possibility but why would I want that? Why should I have an interest in disappearing? It makes no sense to me. Let's say that my current form is like a mask for the Absolute. Yeah, I WANT to play, and feel, and cry and laugh AS that character. I want to experience all the pain, pleasure, despair and ecstasy that comes with that. That's the whole point, isn't it? I CHOOSE so. And besides, that still would be a relative experience: You're there, then you're not, but experience continues anyway, so what's really the difference? The way I see it what's WAY more important is LOVE. A thorough and total YES to Life, ALL of it. In wanting to disappear there's still this death wish going on. It's about Becoming LOVE, but that won't happen in this human realm. Here we can only connect as much as possible with that, but that's also absolutely perfect already. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to change, in the contrary! Life is Eternal Change. We have to overcome our fear of death, that is also a fear of Life. It's about Transformation, a kind of alchemy that turns Darkness into Ecstasy.

I just contemplated the whole issue a little bit and had some insights. These are some established insights about the absolute and the relative: The Absolute is ever-unchanging, the relative changes all the time The Absolute is total and perfect, the relative contains suffering and consists of impermanent experiences The Absolute is your true nature, the relative is illusion, Maya, just a dream Now, did it ever occur to you, that the relative CAN'T be separate from the absolute? That the relative must BE the absolute? There can't be anything else except the absolute, so what IS IT? But how can those contradictory qualities be true at the same time: How can IT be always in motion but at the same time untouched and in perfect stillness? How can IT be absolutely perfect and at the same time contain suffering and impermanence? How can IT be your true nature and at the same be an illusion? Notice: You can't just say: "Well, all former qualities are qualities of the absolute and all latter qualities are just relative. Our job is to end the entrapment inside the relative through enlightenment, by remembering our true nature" See what you did there? You split the absolute again in two parts, divided by an event you call "enlightenment". But you can't do that because the Absolute is total and indivisible. I'll leave it at that for the moment, the next question you can ponder a bit for yourself would be: So how can those contradictions be true at the same time? To conclude, I think the invention of enlightenment in the sense the word is used nowadays is just a surrogate for Death. Death was taken away from you, because now you know that you can't die. But enlightenment gives you this sense of comfort, that it will one time be just over and the suffering will finally end. THIS IS FALSE! You have to work that out for yourself instead of hoping that enlightenment will come along and solves all your problems for you. And if you think you already achieved enlightenment, how can you say that at some point your whole life changed through that event without that being SOMETHING RELATIVE!? The Absolute can't change and can't be divided, you forgot that? There is only possible solution for this dilemma: THE RELATIVE IS THE ABSOLUTE. There is no other way.

@UnbornTao Okay, if you say so. Still you couldn't point out one single inconsistency in what I say. Or describe how your own direct experience contradicts what I say. This conversation is wasted energy at this point.

@CoolDreamThanks I am the only one who contemplated ANYTHING here. You're just parrotting the same sentence over and over "buullshit, buuulshit". Do you even listen to yourself? jeez I've had enough of you.

That's an interesting question. Contemplate that for yourself. "Could it be that children with cancer are part of perfection? How could that be?" Some thoughts I can gather on the spot: Consciousness wants to experience EVERYTHING, even the very darkest possibilities. The experience of every human being is sacred. Isn't the live of a child with cancer also sacred? Doesn't it lead to us coming together and finding a cure for it, caring for it? Doesn't it lead us to give as much love as we can to those children, trying to make their life as tolerable as possible. A child with cancer leads to a lot of love that is conveyed. What about the child itself? It may lead to a lot of love, okay, but the child still suffers immensely, doesn't it? What about him? Every human on this planet experiences pain in their life to varying degrees – also pain they can do nothing about. Would you say that that is a fault of existence? The child with cancer is only an extreme example of that. Is it possible that you could be at peace with your pain? I myself made very painful experiences, sometimes lasting for weeks. Pain so intense that it didn't let me think about anything else. I am grateful for that experience, even when it was extremely unpleasant. I learned to adhere more to my needs, it made me strong. Pain so intense really brings you to question life and existence. Without that I wouldn't have gotten so deep. It gives my life an enormous depth that wouldn't be there if I had been always happy and content. I am grateful for that experience. It showed me that existence is so perfect, Love is so beautiful, that even that amount of pain is not able to tarnish it. Those are just some thoughts I came up with on the spot...

@Yimpa @Breakingthewall @TheAlchemist There's literally NOTHING to achieve. It's already complete, perfect and round. And out of that you can create ANYTHING. As long as you didn't have this recognition you live in fear. But as soon as that happens – we can finally begin to PLAY. And notice: It doesn't become perfect in that moment, you don't arrive anywhere, you realize that it always has been perfect and you were always already there. Because it's IMPOSSIBLE that it's otherwise. So is the nature of what you are.

@UnbornTao I don't talk about enlightenment at all when I present my current understanding of reality. I'm not interested in enlightenment anymore, because that theme is done for me. There's nothing more to do there. All I say is there's something beyond enlightenment. Enlightenment, too, has to be transcended at some point.

Obviously not

@UnbornTao Do you consider yourself enlightened? This forum is the perfect training ground for me to deal with backlash. I just speak my truth. But it's funny to see who gets offended by that.

@CoolDreamThanks Who is in the defensive here?

It is your definition and understanding of LOVE that prevents you from seeing it. LOVE is terrifyingly beautiful.

God told me You don't cut your finger on purpose. The pain is LOVE that expresses itself as survival of the body

@gettoefl You can't overcome suffering. But you can see that it is LOVE, then you stop suffering from the suffering. The real suffering is trying to get rid of it.

Nah. We did it out of LOVE

@Breakingthewall Suffering is what creates BEAUTY

Both points of view are valid. Suffering = Death = Finiteness = Limitedness = Ignorance = Stagnation but it is also an expression of Love = Truth = Reality = Life = Evolution = God = Omniscience. Suffering powers Evolution. Standing still would mean you go against the flow of Life. The only reason for that is if you think there's nothing more to achieve, you think you're already there. Which at the same time is ignorance... It's like yin and yang. There needs to be this drop of suffering in the sea of Infinite Love to make it perfectly balanced. There needs to be that which you are not to experience that which you are. God sacrifices itself out of love for itself.

? alrighty then It's Absolute Perfection. If you see it differently, more power to you

I think there are many different paths. If it feels right it probably is.

You're so deeply stopping to do anything that you even stop stopping doing anything. Only then the chasm disappears. It's all perfect, even the Process itself! Always has been.

Ya I can see that as a possibility. Probably true. If you're there you don't WANT to go back, as you said. I feel like I want to savour the last few lifetimes here, in anticipation of what comes after. Sloooowly awakening and taking my time, that's my path. Everyone is different there. Some awaken in an instant, some take it more slow, some go awake and then back and so on (I like to do that, too). The Process happens in a perfect way and exactly how it fits your unique structure. Why did you return?

I don’t know. I often wonder if it was just an airplane, manmade, God himself or whatever. but I remember that in the moment there was NO doubt that it’s real. Actually it seemed that there isn’t any difference between God and aliens.

@Razard86 yeah maybe I don’t have to forget, I don’t know. It just seemed that way in the moment. But it was actually more beautiful than anything ever before. And I remembered that everything is so much better than I assumed my whole live without knowing it. i will dive again there and go even deeper. Maybe I will live from that state in the future, I’m open to the possibility! oh and I realized that I invented time and logic, too. Because in that state I wasn’t bound by either.

It gets easier to get to the same level the more people awake to that level. Deeper Awakenings than ever before will happen with that, too. I also think we as humanity as a whole are awakening more and more (which is essentially what I said before with different words). Let's say you're not less awake than the Buddha – that is definitely possible and that doesn't devalue it at all IMO. We are more awake than we were in our PAST. But you also COULD awaken much more deeply now.

Haha I could say the same thing What about – it is OUR infinity. We Are One. What you do to me, you do to yourself, and vice versa.