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Without structure you wouldn't even be able to have a body to type those words.

If you wanna go back to the middle ages, have at it. But don't take civilization for granted. The reality is that it wouldn't evolve to your highest ideas, but devolve into chaos & madness very rapidly. It's ego who wants to have its way. We see what that turns into when we look at what's happening in the US right now. What you're asking for is anarchy, which wouldn't solve any problems. That's devolution instead of evolution. Only structure allows evolution to be happening in the first place. We can build better societies with more freedom as our consciousness advances, but your approach of just removing all rules & order is naive & unsustainable. You'd find that out very quickly if you tried it for yourself to see where that leads. To maximize freedom there has to be some kind of order. I agree that we need some way to express our inherent violence to look at it, become conscious of it & transcend it. But that has to be done in a controlled manner. Make it your life purpose to create such a context! But don't be naive about it. You have no idea the amount of violence there is in people that's just below the surface. You wouldn't want to just unleash that. It would result in brutality, rape, war, murder & pretty much all-out pandemonium. You have no idea what you're asking for here.

I know. I was referring to this. People have been raped and traumatised in those "encounters". Not to speak of the fascist-like regime the ranch in Oregon turned into. You need to have some structure, else the worst in people comes out. There's a paper thin layer between our society and complete barbarism. We need to learn from our mistakes. I don't say we should stop trying, but that wasn't it, quite obviously. That's what real science is. Those ashrams were a failed social experiment. So don't let it be for nothing.

We know how that turned out..

Try running your own forum without moderation... Also, wrong section. Which disproves your own point, because it would be chaos if everyone just posted what & where they felt like it. Without structure there's no harmony, but chaos. Anarchy isn't the solution. If we didn't need moderators they would have nothing to do, which isn't the case. QED

Only until you realize there’s no one to torture but yourself.

@Toranvor it’s possible but only temporary. All has to collapse back into God and He will remember that He has been all those beings all along. There will be no difference in remembering You were Toranvor, Jesus, Hitler, Leo, vibv, etc.

That’s exactly the issue. We should strive to be better than that.

Sure, I don't agree with the approach of most vegans either. But watch those documentaries and tell me that isn't ugly. I'm not against eating meat. It's about the way we produce meat and treat other beings on this planet. We abuse and rape the planet in so many ways, this is undeniable. Because most people still think of everything that isn't human as a mere object we can exploit. That is not the case, everything has its price. This is not about judging, but becoming conscious of what we're doing. We are still living in the dark ages while pretending there's no issue. A lot of people don't want to know how their meat is produced, because it feels too uncomfortable. That is avoiding responsibility and goes against everything we teach here. To love Truth means to open up to all the ugliness we are creating. That's the only way to Beauty, not by falsely pretending otherwise. The only way to real lasting Peace is confronting all the ways we are violent. Else we keep sweeping things under the rug where they fester and become even more ugly. Look at the state of the world right now. Is this a species that is conscious of what it is doing?

As someone once put it: There are trips that are challenging in the way getting mugged in an alleyway is challenging.

By increasing Consciousness, which can't be forced. But eventually one realizes that the suffering of all creatures is our own suffering, because the division between self & other is imaginary. When chicken babies get shredded it's literally you as a chicken baby getting shredded. Which makes it also a lot more difficult to become conscious, because you become conscious of all other being's suffering, too. So we distance ourselves from God even further and indulge in pleasures. It's a vicious spiral. On the other hand otherwise it wouldn't be possible to create so much darkness here. Who knows what that's good for... In the end we will have to confront all that someday, somehow. That will be only possible by coming together as Humanity. No single individual is able to bear the darkness we have created and keep creating.

Awesome, then you can make psychedelic experiences just by stopping all those drugs (not recommending anything here)

You can't escape it. But it's possible to love. Takes work though.

Exactly. Here on Earth is your chance to do the work, not in some kind of afterlife. It has cost a lot of work & time to get you to the place you're at now, don't just throw it away. You'd have to live all of this again (in some way or another) just to start working on those issues again.

Youll always have a world view. Which is another word for belief system. You can only invent better, more inclusive, more loving perspectives on Life. There’s no way around this. You can connect to the Divine very directly, but you still have to interpret that to be able to communicate. and honestly that’s a great thing. We‘re like Artists of the Divine in that regard. We are its canvas & brush.

But it is only through the Freedom to experience not-Love that Truth is able to know itself as Love. That's what this is. It is Love unfolding itself. The Process is messy & interactive.

You just haven't realized the total Beauty of it all. The first bite of the Apple of the Tree Of Knowledge Of Good & Evil leads you to madness. But out of its seeds grows the Divine itself.

Sure, but does that mean we should stop progressing?

Well, all previous attempts were not advanced enough. That shouldn't stop us from keeping on trying.

Sure. We need to find the story of all stories. The Cosmos isn't gonna accept less ✨

Our best shot in my view is to find a new way to religion. It has to be more powerfull than all that came before and at the same time be totally free of violence. How's that for a paradox? Maybe it's possible to twist the plot that way.. Because it surely doesn't look good right now. Pure philosophy isn't gonna cut it anymore. I'm trying. But whatever it is shall be.

Escaping through so-called "liberation" by the buddhists is not True. The True Path to Liberation leads through the Deepest Darkness. No single human is able to bear that by oneself. So buddhists just invented death++ haha. But that's no escape either, I'll tell ya. There's no escape—except through the Heart of the Beast. Which is... us! Tadaa... But we're still stuck killing ourselves and being barbaric out there. Try convincing 95% of humans of this stuff. They rather burn you at the stake because intuitively they know exactly what that would mean..

Death doesn't really exist, true. But tell that your ego

It reintegrates into something greater. God is like a shattered mirror and all egos are its pieces. But he had to do that to be able to get to know Himself. That's where we are right now. But it can't stay that way. That's why pressure is building. It was designed like that from the very beginning. You are me and I am you. But good luck reuniting ✨ Humanity will reunite once more and then we will realize that we were ONE all along. But that requires us to face all the darkness we created and keep creating, too. And we don't really want that..