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God will have to re-unite itself someday and then YOU/WE'll remember EVERYTHING, all life experiences get consolidated in THE ONE. It's clear why the ego-mind doesn't necessarily want that so badly. But Love does.

On the topic of hard to swallow truths about ourselves, I want to share this video with all of you. In it are discussed, amongst other things, the 6 signs of a moral catastrophe: It's not a surprise—it has been known about for a long time It's framed as inevitable—it's said to be the 3 N's: Normal, Natural & Necessary We look away Dissent is ridiculed It's hard to explain to children It's pretty clear, that it will be seen as barbaric in hindsight What's your views on this topic? Do you eat meat? Do you investigate where your meat comes from? And most importantly: Do you think this way of treating animals is sustainable and if not, what can be done to change this?

You're being a devil and I won't keep playing your games.

Contemplate that instead of arguing for once. Contemplate Hitler for example. Language is extremely powerful and you clearly have no idea what you're playing with.

Words are way more powerful than you believe.

Dude, you're the one displaying needless aggression right now, that probably feels justified to you. Be careful not to become what you think you fight.

I don't know what your idea of "advanced" is, but this discussion isn't worth my time anymore. This thread is the perfect example for the need of moderation, because otherwise this forum would quickly degenerate into a cesspool. It's very hard to build something of value and very easy to just shit all over it.

It's not about being offended, it's about quality of discourse. If this forum would be just shouting insults at each other I wouldn't even be here. Wishing to insult isn't advanced, it's depraved.

If we're talking about that, an online forum is not the right place for this kind of catharsis. I think that's the real issue here.

What kind of attacks? Would a "Fuck You!" to you improve the quality of our discussion in any way? Or do you just want to vent? I'd propose going into some kind of lost place and screaming from the bottom of your heart at the top of your lungs. That really helps.

"Socially".. We're still in an online space where we're pseudonymous. That requires some form of moderation from the get go. Would you vouch for allowing personal attacks? That would certainly lower the quality of discussions here, not improve it. The art lies in finding a set of rules that results in the highest quality of discussion possible. To just remove all rules is not a solution, but a cop out.

For example? Then this would be about corruption, not about moderation. But I honestly don't really know what you're talking about.

Did something I say offend you?

You're reading something into my words I didn't say.

It's about balance, yeah. I think this forum is very free in regards to what you can say. Have you had a different experience that made you create this topic?

Without structure you wouldn't even be able to have a body to type those words.

If you wanna go back to the middle ages, have at it. But don't take civilization for granted. The reality is that it wouldn't evolve to your highest ideas, but devolve into chaos & madness very rapidly. It's ego who wants to have its way. We see what that turns into when we look at what's happening in the US right now. What you're asking for is anarchy, which wouldn't solve any problems. That's devolution instead of evolution. Only structure allows evolution to be happening in the first place. We can build better societies with more freedom as our consciousness advances, but your approach of just removing all rules & order is naive & unsustainable. You'd find that out very quickly if you tried it for yourself to see where that leads. To maximize freedom there has to be some kind of order. I agree that we need some way to express our inherent violence to look at it, become conscious of it & transcend it. But that has to be done in a controlled manner. Make it your life purpose to create such a context! But don't be naive about it. You have no idea the amount of violence there is in people that's just below the surface. You wouldn't want to just unleash that. It would result in brutality, rape, war, murder & pretty much all-out pandemonium. You have no idea what you're asking for here.

I know. I was referring to this. People have been raped and traumatised in those "encounters". Not to speak of the fascist-like regime the ranch in Oregon turned into. You need to have some structure, else the worst in people comes out. There's a paper thin layer between our society and complete barbarism. We need to learn from our mistakes. I don't say we should stop trying, but that wasn't it, quite obviously. That's what real science is. Those ashrams were a failed social experiment. So don't let it be for nothing.

We know how that turned out..

Try running your own forum without moderation... Also, wrong section. Which disproves your own point, because it would be chaos if everyone just posted what & where they felt like it. Without structure there's no harmony, but chaos. Anarchy isn't the solution. If we didn't need moderators they would have nothing to do, which isn't the case. QED

Only until you realize there’s no one to torture but yourself.

@Toranvor it’s possible but only temporary. All has to collapse back into God and He will remember that He has been all those beings all along. There will be no difference in remembering You were Toranvor, Jesus, Hitler, Leo, vibv, etc.

That’s exactly the issue. We should strive to be better than that.

Sure, I don't agree with the approach of most vegans either. But watch those documentaries and tell me that isn't ugly. I'm not against eating meat. It's about the way we produce meat and treat other beings on this planet. We abuse and rape the planet in so many ways, this is undeniable. Because most people still think of everything that isn't human as a mere object we can exploit. That is not the case, everything has its price. This is not about judging, but becoming conscious of what we're doing. We are still living in the dark ages while pretending there's no issue. A lot of people don't want to know how their meat is produced, because it feels too uncomfortable. That is avoiding responsibility and goes against everything we teach here. To love Truth means to open up to all the ugliness we are creating. That's the only way to Beauty, not by falsely pretending otherwise. The only way to real lasting Peace is confronting all the ways we are violent. Else we keep sweeping things under the rug where they fester and become even more ugly. Look at the state of the world right now. Is this a species that is conscious of what it is doing?