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I think we're both right. If it feels right it is right. Reality seems again and again like infinite contradictions and paradoxes that turn out to always be true at the same time. The way I see it reality is completely impersonal but at the same time very personal. I mean, you're still there aren't you? You have a very specific personal structure, your own sense of humour, your unique struggles and insights. All that constitutes the Beauty that is It/We.

You sure there's a difference?

What about this possibility: Everybody is you and you are something much greater than you thought.

It's what I became conscious of again and again. I myself didn't believe it at first, but my experiences are unmistakable. Every time I convinced myself that it isn't true I had an experience that made it even more clear. And it continues to be that way. I doubt everything all the time. But in those moments I know.

I don't want to be seen as a teacher. I'm an artist. I also like to play out the archetype of the fool or jester. On the other hand I wasn't really frustrated. I actually enjoy discussing with @Breakingthewall and I don't bank on changing his or someone else's mind, that's not my job. My job is deconstructing worldviews and showing others incosistencies in their philosophy how I perceive them. Sometimes I just channel something that's given to me in the moment. I try to formulate that as precise and concise as possible. But after that what everybody does with it is not my worry anymore.

Coincidentally, my sister named her son Leo. I never told her that name or anything related to this platform here. Just reminded me of that.

It’s a metaphor. But you could argue that in reality the guy on the computer is also a creation of the impersonal room and that’s in reality all that exists. But that doesn’t change the outcome. Reality is deeply personal and completely impersonal at the same time.

@Breakingthewall Imagine you sitting in an empty room with white walls that are so white you can't even see them. Nothing exists outside of that room and you're also immortal. In front of you is a computer with WoW installed, the hardcore version – when you die your character's dead. You don't have to play. But you will do it anyway, fully knowing that it's just a game. And when you die you just instantly start a new character. That's all there's to do anyway. You're so immersed in the game that you literally become your character, but sometimes in between you remember that you're just this immortal being playing a game. But that doesn't stop you from continuing to play. To play is all there is to do for all of eternity, fully knowing that it's not real. But who cares anyway? Of course this is just a metaphor and in reality it's all much much more complex and intertwined, but you get the idea.

Well, I'll continue playing then and evolving to higher states of consciousness. Because there's nothing else to do anyway. Luckily it is also the greatest, most beautiful and most fulfilling activity that could ever exist.

The Absolute has a DESIRE to experientally know and understand itself. It's the Divine Desire. It's also a Divine Tragedy because it can never be fulfilled. But it's also unfathomably beautiful because it pursuits it anway for all eternity.

Both exist at the same time. The Absolute never moves anyway because there's nowhere to go. But in the relative everything moves all the time. Not only that but it evolves, too, into the direction of Love, Beauty and Consciousness. You can't achieve the Absolute because you already are it. Everything else is relative. We are in the relative. You are in the relative. All self-appointed enlightened people are in the relative. It's not a bug, it's a feature. Because the relative is not different from the Absolute. Riddle me that...

Just imagine that it is yourself with whom you're speaking and interacting. Everything you do, all joy you bring into the world and all pain you inflict always only affects yourself. That doesn't mean you have to be always nice. Some tough love is needed sometimes, but not out of personal enjoyment but out of the sincere desire to help others grow. If that's your goal you always have to ask yourself if what you do is achieving that or if it's only your ego playing games. It will never be easy. If it's easy you should question your approach.

So you're telling me if you're a dog or a human it's all the same? I'll happily evolve further then while you're contentedly stagnating.

You are saying that there's a before and after enlightenment. Leo is saying it's all degress of consciousness and that's what it was the whole time. Your idea of enlightenment looks like this picture to me: While Leo's looks like this picture:

Everyone is played by the same being. There's only one. But your character is not fundamentally different from the others.

That's really funny coming from someone who divides humans in enlightened and not enlightened.

Love is different.

Human love is like a very dulled version of the real thing. When you experience it you just can't think of a better word. That's right. But you can point in its direction.

I could ask you the same I and everyone else exists, but there are not 2 consciousness (there isn't even a plural). What happens to me happens to you and vice versa. We are not different from each other in regards to consciousness. We share the same source and all experiences that are made are made by that source. You know what I mean?

Words are pointers to different aspects of reality. I love to use my mind, it's one of the greatest pleasures. That doesn't mean that I'm not familiar with states of no-mind and practice letting go of everything regularly.

I don't want to go to war and I probably and hopefully never will. I also don't suggest that anyone should do that. My point is: war is a creation of LOVE. Understanding that is where it gets really challenging. I don't want to minimize your pain. War is excrutiating for those involved and brings a lot of suffering to innocent people (innocent meaning: they didn't consciously choose the war). Your pain is important to end the war! Pain is what will end the war. Tears and despair is what will end the war. It needs to be expressed as consciously as possible - if one is ready - and worked through instead of suppressing it.

Massively raising consciousness.

We need better sprituality AND better science. Both have their place and both are beautiful in their own right. As is the case for meditation vs. using the mind. Contrary to what some spiritual people seem to suggest using the mind is a GOOD thing and nothing to be avoided. Meditation (but also other things like contemplation) should lead to mastery of the mind, not stopping to use it.

I don't say you should go to war, but that war is a fundamental part of our process of evolution. It's nothing wrong, but it's also nothing wrong with doing everything in your power to end it once and for all. War is nothing to pursuit, but also nothing to condemn.

You can see it as a pointer or hint. It's like a litmus test for awakening. If you don't see that everything is LOVE you're not conscious enough to see it right now. Not only is everything completely intended, it's also absolutely perfect and it's impossible to do anything wrong (but please don't misuse that statement for egoic purposes..) If you're suffering you're not aligned with Truth. Because Truth=Love. A common error is confusing that with the pursuit to remove suffering from your experience or see it as anything wrong, but that's only the ego, because that, too, is perfect and part of LOVE. Wait a minute? Isn't that a contradiction!? There are two levels of suffering: Metaphysical and relative suffering. Or call it major and minor suffering. The trick is to not suffer from suffering anymore and seeing through it, because it's a fundamental part of relativity and nothing to remove. But it's not even about the pursuit to stop the pursuit to not suffer anymore... It's an infinite regress, until you realize: THIS is already it. There's nothing to do – but also nothing to stop doing. At the end you're just where you started. The journey brings you only to the point where you already are. But this "where you are" is in eternal motion and moving towards LOVE. Because LOVE is alive and evolving. It's the ultimate dichotomy: You are always the same, but constantly changing. Both sides are equally true.