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@AerisVahnEphelia This is not meant as an attack, but you come off as extremely judgemental, especially of people who you see spiritually „below you“. Don’t forget that every step of the path is significant and we all have our unique paths. You wouldn’t also have liked to be judged back then. This is an appeal to your heart.

Would you rather live in a world without pain?

Right. But there can only be one consciousness.

Why do you think that pain is a problem?

@Breakingthewall There's ultimately no ground. That's why Leo calls it an Infinite Hallucination. The way I see it God plays a game of hide and seek with itself. It's of proportions you couldn't even imagine if you tried and evolution is actually God picking up its pieces again. Someday, so the story goes, everything will be back together in place and WE (there's no one else, right) experience an eternity of absolute ecstasy. Divine infinite bliss so to speak. But no eternity lasts forever, and so at some point God decides to do it all over again. And WE love every second of it. At the end everything will be revealed as pure Love, because nothing else exists, and only by doing this it is possible that the eternal bliss exists in the first place. But on the way it will seem time and again that there are deep and dark shadows that seem very very real in the moment. But these are only an illusion created by a lack of consciousness. Our job is to look especially in the darkest places, so we can find that even there, only Love exists. As long as a single shadow remains, an irreplaceable part of God and Perfection is still missing. Edit: Shadows are not the thing itself, but our rejection of that part of reality.

There are stories of people smoking salvia and living multiple years in another reality. Would you call that a dream?

There are other levels above. It's possibly endless. You also become aware of those levels to varying degrees.

It's true. But at the same time you can do things that lead you somewhere you maybe don't want to go. There are no wrong places, it's just your decision where you want to end up. If you chose some destination and end up somewhere else it's probably just that you didn't understand some part of the path yet. In that case life will give you exactly the situations you need as opportunities to develop and grow. But yeah, it's a huge relief knowing that you can't do anything wrong in that sense Judgement is what humans do, not the universe.

@Breakingthewall The ego needs to be consciously developed and strengthened, not weakened. While at the same time practicing unidentification with it. Both counterintuitively go hand in hand. In my understanding that's what @r0ckyreed was hinting at, too.

Okay, well, then this conversation serves no further purpose.

Thank you. Finally something that makes sense here. Exactly. You can transcend something only by loving it to death so to speak. Condemning it and trying to destroy it.. we know how that works out throughout history. Loving it to death means actually integrating it. It will not disappear, but it will stop showing its toxic traits. You could say our shadow is created by condemning something and therefore trying to change reality, thinking it would be better without it. But reality is way more intelligent than you are. By loving it it will in fact start to show you that it's an irreplaceable part of perfection.

A thought: The miracle of Language is not only what you can transmit with it – but even more so what you can not convey.

Nobody has an idea what this Moment is capable of. But the exciting thing about that is that you will find out. The mindfuck results from the fact that you think you know, but you don't (probably). It's possible to connect with that but it's very hard. I achieved it several times but only for a short period. I don't know if it's possible to sustain it indefinitely or if this dream would collapse. What are signs that you're really connected to not-knowing - or as I rather call it: infinite creativity / room of possibilities / pure potential - and not only pretending to? Everything is very clear and there's absolutely no doubt You're completely conscious of the fact that this is a dream, it feels like lucid dreaming but on a way higher level Your heart overflows with amazement and ecstasy It feels as if you woke up and a murky veil had been lifted You realize that we have no fucking idea, and it's the best thing ever. You could shout "OF COURSE! How could I believe such nonsense!? We have NO fucking CLUE!!" (that's the best one ) There's more, but it's absolutely clear when it's the case. Absolutely no doubt is one of the main signs.

Trust me, you have no idea You know it conceptually, but do you know it experientally?

And you have no idea yet what this Moment is capable of.

I really like that one. “The Truth is that which you can‘t be not.“

They did extremely important groundwork for the spiritual evolution of humankind.

"What dies is not true. What's true can never die. Such is the Peace of God." - Unknown

This is what I noted on that day (in January 2015; translated from German): Suffering is the illusion of the possibility to do anything wrong and therefore be separated from Unity. This illusion is flawless, because it allows God to discover its own beauty again and again. You become aware of this knowledge by completely trusting and unconditionally embracing what appears. You can NEVER arrive at that knowledge through logic or by deriving it somehow. It is always there, you become aware of it by trusting in it. Then there's no sliver of doubt anymore. You just have to do it. All fear and all doubts disappear and reveal their true nature - a perfectly designed illusion - when you begin to trust.

That's based on reciprocity. Okay. We will see. I'm not attacking you, but apparently you perceive it differently. I'm completely open to things I don't know, but I will also passionately vocalize my truth. I don't call myself enlightened and I don't claim to be in possession of the truth. That can't exactly be said about your standpoint. Though I will fiercely oppose stagnation, self-righteousness and sanctimoniousness when I see it. Those are the true enemies of humankind.

@Harsh Bagdia Don't forget to transcend Leo - or any teacher - at some point

You've got a lot of things right. But there's one huge misconception/misunderstanding: You don't understand the elephant by "becoming" it (or let's say realizing that you already are it). You are your body right now. but you don't understand it. Hence there's science and research about understanding the body. It's exciting, fascinating, advances us as a species and so on and so forth. It's the same thing with IT/WE. As soon as you realize you are it, exploring it doesn't stop but in fact becomes a lot deeper! Reality is completely impersonal but at the same deeply personal. Both facets are equally true and you can't discard one for the other. It's like a tree that has to grow deep roots into the soil, but only to be able to expand high into the sky. The roots respresent the impersonal, the connection to the Unchanging. It's really important to establish that because it enables you to go into much deeper experiences/insights/awakenings without losing yourself in them so to speak. But don't forget that your nature is bilateral. Edit: You could also say it is triune: Impersonal Reality - God - Creation

This is not even my final form yet.

Either they meet each other sometime, then it is still ONE. Or they don't and it makes absolutely no difference.

I perceive this moment to be the only thing that exists, has ever existed and will ever exist. Everything appears here/now. It can't be otherwise. Also I, my personality and ego, appear in the infinite, eternal moment that is NOW. Do you mean that or something different? Words are so coarse to talk about this stuff. Right. But at the same time something is happening – or at least seems to happen – isn't it? There's clearly a direction of this, hinted at by the term "Evolution". Don't you see it that way? Sure, you could say "it's all relative", but that aside, something is clearly happening and it's not random.