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Hm. I don't think I'd agree completely. On the surface you're right, it's kind of a trap to declare suffering as something to strive for. But on the other hand I think Truth, Beauty and Love is veiled behind a curtain of suffering.

Replace "car" with "human body" and you have an actual scenario.

You're absolutely right. But it's also kind of a conundrum. Always evading suffering can't be the right thing, either. The truth must lie somewhere between those.

Of course. Although... not always. What about leaving ones comfort zone? I see in retrospect that the moments I suffered the most lead to the highest amount of beauty in the end.

What about saying "f this" and widely grinning? I'd count that as a win. What about saying "i have to behold this" and suffering for it? That doesn't sound very advisable. In other words: That notion is so blatantly oversimplified that it's just wrong.

It's not noble to wallow in it. But it's often the best teacher.

@StarStruck Money is in its current form a deeply dysfunctional system for distributing value – but still better than everything that came before. As I see it, most of the dysfunctionality stems from the fact that we collectively seem to confuse money with value. As if generating more money would lead to greater value for society – this is blatantly wrong and the main cause for capitalistic corruption.

Maybe there are realities without suffering. But it's definitely and irrefutably an element of this one. – and it's absolutely perfect. Suffering is what seems to contradict Beauty and Goodness, but in the end causes it. That's the beauty of it. Or as it is said in Faust as an answer to "What is the devil?": "Part of that Power, not understood, Which always wills the Bad, and always works the Good."

Why suffer if not out of love?

Exactly. And that's why I know that it's right, because I created it. We're inside an unfathomable mystery, a perfectly designed adventure. Knowing everything right now wouldn't allow me to stay here and do what I'm here to do.

I did awaken, several times. But I'm not, now. I guess it's different for everyone. But I know that I 1) will again and 2) am perfectly voluntarily not completely awake right now.

I think otherwise. Meaning and meaninglessness is also a duality. No meaning is the same as infinite meaning.

This pretty much aligns perfectly with what I became conscious of. You're not special. Me neither. And Leo, of course, not, too. We're sitting all in the same mfing boat. We steer in some direction here on this planet, question is only where we'll end up. That's the only really important question. Enlightenment isn't gonna solve that for us, or is it? Enlightened or not, we gotta become conscious that we're controlling this thing and we can choose our path. We didn't really wake up yet as humanity.

Money is energy in a very specific aggregation state. It has something very archaic to it.

I'm using this forum kind of like a drug. It's awesome to indulge from time to time, but then you got to sober up and integrate what you saw.

Wrong. Without pain and suffering it wouldn't be possible to create that level of beauty that this world entails. Suffering is temporary, but You are infinite. So you may suffer for a while - even intensely - but in the end it will be dissolved in a way that leaves God completely untainted. What can you do if it doesn't feel that way RIGHT NOW? Relax, and learn to trust in yourself.

@Emotionalmosquito Learn to take responsibility is all I can say. Your outlook on the whole thing is absolutely miserable. No wonder it doesn't work for you. You can argue all you want, but do you really want to believe that it's all women's fault that you can't get laid? That's a very self serving, egocentric, blame-shifting and lazy attitude that precisely prevents what you set out to do.

God is the opposite of loneliness.

Good question. Every single moment is a divine opportunity to become aware of yourself. Most people aren't and that's the whole issue. Also you're looking at a tiny splice in time in relation to the whole. It wasn't like this 1000 years ago and it won't be in 1000 years (or will it? that's up to us!)

No it isn't. Stop trying to reframe rejection as something positive. What's good about rejection (or failure in general) is that you can learn from it and grow from it. But it sucks. That's the whole point. It sucks, but it's okay, it happens to everyone. Trying to say "oh rejection is actually something really great and I should seek it out" is complete bullshit and a bad attempt to negate the negative feelings that arise from it. The solution is to embrace it and see/reframe it as an opportunity – but don't pretend that it is in fact something you ultimately want. Be careful what you wish for.

@Emotionalmosquito What you have to understand is that women have to look out for potentially dangerous situations all the time. You can't talk about that shit if you just met her. When there's rapport and she already trusts you, that's when you can get more weird etc. Or when you deliver it with a wink, you know. Then you're together in on the joke because you recognize the weirdness of the situation. You guys talk like you're some kind of alien that just read a book about humans. Go out and learn to socialize. Most of your questions would simply disappear by then. Stuff like PUA in that sense or, I don't know, NLP hypnosis is so popular because guys with social anxieties are looking for a way to bypass the possibility for rejection that they fear so much. But then they make it worse, like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Girls aren't that much different from men in their crudity of humour, horniness, and so on, but they have to be much more cautious because they are way more vulnerable.

LOL The basic idea of the technology of crypto is really fascinating, but the whole space has been corrupted by human ego even more than mainstream finances.

We don't really know how substances work, like, at all. All we can do is observe some effects of them in the brain. But how they actually work remains mostly a mystery. For example, we did observe that depressive patients have lower concentrations of serotonin in the brain. So the obvious solution was to develop drugs that boost the concentration of serotonin. That's a very very crude understanding of what's actually happening and, in fact, serotonin boosting drugs often times work only very slightly better than placebo.

MDMA+LSD is one of the best synergies out there, not necessarily for going very deep, but for a great euphoric time and dissolving of inner and emotional barriers. It also lasts pretty long (8-12 hours, the MDMA also gets boosted in duration IMO) in comparison to, say, mushrooms (4-6 hours). For pure emotional work I'd recommend mushrooms over LSD any time. For going really deep something like DMT etc. is way more effective anyway.

The whole notion of 5 senses is some human bs. Even humans don't have 5 just senses, that's a pretty persistent myth.