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@NoSelfSelf Ok. So just to be clear - im not trying to trick you by those questions. But for me to consider your point deeper and to change my attitude i want to ask you questions which can reassure me that you're critisizing from above, not below: - Have you ever been that sensitive yourself? If yes, what was your process of overcoming it? If not, how you can be sure that it's my "drama", but not your lack of emotional and interpersonal intellegence? - Have you ever went to therapy? If yes, what was the module that your therapist practiced and how long was your relationships? - Do you know what's your type of attachment (attachment theory)? - How did you overcame the social conditioning from growing up in Croatia as a white male? Or do you think that this type of enverionment have no influence on you? - How do you make sure that your feeling of "have to walk on eggshells talking to you" is a problem of my sensetivity and not your lack of development needed to handle mature communication, which is reinforced by the fact that the average level of communication among people is quite shallow? - How do you build relationships and communication with women, who are often times sensetive? Do you have female friends? - What makes you confident that you're not weaponising the idea of "clear straightforward communication" for your self-serving agenda, so you can just be rude, dominating and unempathetic? I hope you understand, that it's can be hard for me to seriouslly consider a POV from another stranger, which can ruin my current identity and make me embark on such emotionally hard thing which is changing myslef. I hope you'll find meaningful to help me to realize that you're honest and not decieving yourself and, as a consequence, me. I hope you can see, that there's a bunch of others in the comments, who're reacting in the same way. Something like: "Oh! Your feeling are not important!", "Leo, why'd you're not destroy him with his Ego bullshit?" etc. And often times, when i see such a reactive emotional behaviour like that, i'd probably will think that this is more about them, then about me. It's not that easy for me to consider, that you're going from the good place, when your message at the core is the same as "Lol this is so unlike you Leo. I thought you value Truth. Why bend it to protect a single person's feefees?: I'll be thankful to you for your honest answers.

@NoSelfSelf Can you clarify for me, it’s no irony or sarcasm. Do you see my sensitivity as something excessive and difficult to deal with? If the answer is yes, then can you tell me why exactly?

@NoSelfSelf now you’re being passive-aggressive. Men, just admit how preachy you are without me asking you about it and how instead of speaking about yourself and your experience, you’re decided to speak about me, who I’m, what’s up with me and what should I do. If you cover your way of speaking with other being with such an excuse like “oh, I was just expressing myself, don’t be so touchy”, then your words and perspective that you’ve shared becoming even less valuable. I get it. It’s hard to be accountable and it’s easy and pleasurable to preach and to put yourself above as if you’re somehow in the position of teaching me without asking. But if you’ll be disrespectful like that in your way of expressing yourself I don’t see any way there can be a real meaningful connection between us. I’m sure, if you’ve putted this in other, more caring respectful language, your signal to noise ratio would be much higher. And of course, you can continue to weakening my point and gaslight with all that “it’s your ego which on the way to understand me”, “if you’d be more developed you’d not cared”, etc. But since you don’t know me, who I’m and where I’m in my development, why’d you’ll not suggest that I’m developed enough to even ask Leo to consider the damage his doing with his tone? Are you noticing how the guy who taught you and gave you that platform reacted? Hope you’ll find it useful.

@r0ckyreed @NoSelfSelf @El Rio I feel like you guys can gather some wisdom from @Joshe on how to speek for yourself without strawmanning, unsolicited advices and couch psychoanlysis of a human being based on his forum-post. Such a comments like yours are the main reason why I keep myself away from that forum. I feel like your presence here, in this discussion, is mostly self-serving. It wasn't even about you. But you still somehow found that your opinions and interpretations are valueble and needed. Go try such behaviour in real life conversation with a confident man and you'll probably relaize some valueble Truths about yourself and the consequences of your actions real fast. I know, it's much easier to be that way online, but i dare you to practice that offline and witness some reality. If a moderator can allow himself this kind of behavior, I don't even want to know what's going on among the regulars.

@Leo Gura I was a bit afraid that you'll asnwer to me in the way which will make me more distant from you. But your answers made me feel even more respect towards you. Thank you for being such a good and rare leader as you are. Your ability to value the Truth, Creativity and Kindness are those which made me a human being that I'm nowadays. And i love me very much. I'm thankful to you for that and probably will be till the end of my days. Wish you all the best!

@Leo Gura What's the need to put it this way? I love you so much and appreciate your work and what it's done for me. There's not even a week, where i'm not having some form of gratitude towards you since your work became an entering point for my own Life Purpose and deep dive into self-development, service to others, healthy relationships and friendship. But man, i sometimes feeling myself like a Kanye fan, who find himself in the constant endeavour to excuse and explain him to himself and to others. Maybe you're watching too much of the examples of very stupid people or maybe there's some beatiful meaning you've put into choosing this way of articulating your thoughts and motivating your audience. But I just wanna remind you from the other side - it hurts. It hurts not because it's truth. I have no problem admit to myself that my mind is far away from being a masterpiece. There was a time in my life, where all you rude and critical words and tone turned into internal self-criticism, as if there's a little Leo, who's saying "You're not enough!" in all your favorite way to put it. And it took time for me to unwind myself from that. I'm following you already for 10 years and I went from lost 19 y.o. towards quite decent and mature 29 human being. There's a value which i've got from you, that many people can't get from a 100's of lifes. So with that said i wish you consider my point with the respect and gratitude you expressed via some of your recent videos. Can you please stop talking with me (your audience), as if I'm a fucking host for a "pig mind" who's lack of vision will leaves him ugly-minded for eternity? Just so you know: - Such claims of yours at some points of my life made me very self-hating due to my immaturity and inability to cut off you very unloving tone - Sometimes they turned me against regular people with the thoughts like "Hah, of course his not speaking about me, he's speaking about "those stupid under-developed egoistic surviving conventional squares" Now i prefer to relate to that type of behaviour from your part as flaw of yours, which is okay and i still appreciate you very-very much. I'm not asking to sugar-coat everything. Im asking you to consider the damage that you're doing. You're in position of power. You're in the risk to abuse that power and excuse yourself. You're surrounded by enough worshippers to feel yourself excused. With love and respect, Arsen

I just wanted to ask some advices and POV from the people on this forum (incuding @Leo Gura. @Nahm). What would be your recommendations? Does anybody where in the situation that was similar in some ways? Should I pack my bags asap and leave? Notice! That does not mean that I don't have my POV, authority and sovereign opinion. Don't waste your and my time on coaching me on things like "Why do you think you need our advice?" etc. Thanks!)

Yes & Yes. I'm Russian living in Russia right now)

Thank you for your answer! Yes, I'm aware of that. See that as an intel gathering)

Hey there! I just wanted to ask some advices and POV from the people on this forum (incuding @Leo Gura. @Nahm). What would be your recommendations? Does anybody where in the situation that was similar in some ways? Should I pack my bags asap and leave? Notice! That does not mean that I don't have my POV, authority and sovereign opinion. Don't waste your and my time on coaching me on things like "Why do you think you need our advice?" etc. Thanks!)

Go read that post from Daniel Schmachtenberger from the recent Leo’s bllog post, BUT… AS IF YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT TO YOURSELF. P.S. Than print that and hang on the bath mirror or in the toilet and read everyday as if you are talking to yourself. I’ll surely do that.

Hey there! Bought myself an eight-week course from Rebel Wisdom. I expect to get some useful knowledge and practice some skills on mindfulness, epistemology and shadow work. There’ll be such guys like Doshin Roshi aka “The Shadow Roshi” and Daniel Schamachtenberger aka “Stage Yellow guy, in whom Leo fell in love” ? Kidding, it’s me the one who fell in love with his brain and I will try my best to pick it up during the course. I’ll be glad to see somebody from that forum join me. I guess it can be a great opportunity to make some friends or networking!) P.S. Thank you, as always, @Leo Gura for sharing! I’m really inspired and motivated by Daniel and opportunity to build up my epistemology skills. BTW, I thought it’ll be interesting if you’ve made some Daniel Schmachtenberger critique like Jordan Peterson video. I mean, the bigger the model the bigger the problem, but it’s hard for me myself to notice his flaws and mistakes because I’m looking from below. Seems like it can be beneficial for you from the marketing/gathering eyeballs POV also. This guy attracting a lot of attention and even appeared on the Lex Friedman’s podcast couple days ago. I’m sure, a lot of those who are into him may be also openminded enough for your work. With conditional Love, Arsen! ❤️

• Probably, Aubrey Marcus will be okay. • Also, Sadhguru seems to be reachable. Guess it can be a great conversation. • Of course, I’ll probably shit my pants if you and Daniel Schmachtenberger got together. • Bernardo Kastrup maybe too. • Ken Wilber, of course or some of his team from Integral Life. • Lex Fridman (probably too threatening for him and his audience). • Some witches. • Doshin Roshi from Integral Zen.

Saw you on Charlie & Ben today! It was a good time investment. It’s cool how you can navigate and simply put such a radical things and especially the way you connect it with the day to day survival without biases and judgments: “This is an existential bind”. Also great questions and insights about Spiral Dynamics. Very helpful.

Great Job! Thank you for sharing. It’s really a joy to see that your work is appreciated by other serious scholars. Very inspiring.