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@Inliytened1 I think it may be an impossible question to answer , and may show that complete nothingness can't "be" . If the universe was finite there would be nothing to enter after the end but no force to stop you ,

@Inliytened1 no , because that is not what I am trying to do, not trying to imagine anything formless. Don't think you understand my question

@Serotoninluv sorry I don't quite understand , I'm not the brightest mind in the "bubble" haha, but basically I'm trying to understand what complete nothingness Would be like (weather there "is" such a thing or not). Especially that point I made , putting your hand out the bubble, there would be nothing to put your hand into but there would be no force to stop it, I was trying to imagine complete nothingness for a while and I imagined there was no anything at all but then somehow a bubble appeared with myself in it and that was everything , the whole universe, not contemplating what's inside the bubble but only outside , even though there is no outside, for me it's a mind fuk

hi, i would like some theorys if possible about my first DMT trip last night, my consciousness went straight into a sort of mind prison, a sort of box or void for my mind and it felt like i was the only mind in it except for maybe a controller of some sort, my mind was in a feedback loop and i knew that death would not help as my body was already gone and also insanity would not save me as it was an endless loop, i could never had imagined torture or hell being this bad, i feel traumatised by the experience and am scared that my consciousness will return there when i die and scared that ANYBODY will ever be in that place, i felt like i knew this place OMG HELP

@Leo Gura i am actually starting to calm down a bit but i think it Will stay with me, but it has at least shattered my shallow beliefs and i am a seeker of truth, even if its horrific , but I've heard reports from people like yourself talking about the eternal beautiful reality that is also possible, and i believe certain people like yourself when you say its not just a hallucination but its a real experience of real realms, this was a true conscious reality and it was made very clear to me i was not hallucinating any more than i am at this moment @Arkandeus @Dodo thanks for the link, i will be watching it

@Dodo thanks for the link, i will be watching it

@Dodo not a chance, i just got a hammering so intense that nothing is possible, just inescapable hell, i want to try to be a good person now in the hope that i wont be sent there again, all i kept saying after is OMG over and over and felt devastated about the other realm

@Arkandeus thanks for that, i was hoping it would help me sort my life out if i saw hell and then maybe i would appreciate life more, in a way it has but with a real cost, silly me

@Leo Gura that is a possibility i think, my negative thinking st the time and not being ready or in the right place in my life and mind to take the trip, i did actually think before the trip about one of your videos when you said dont do these thing's until you are mentally stable and don't have to many life issues but first sort that shit out @Leo Gura thank you

@Leo Gura i have been known for being a bit stupid, but man what a trip , good or bad, what a belief shattering trip and eye opening, but sometimes the truth hurts

@Leo Gura with respect, you dont know my reasons for doing this and certainly do not treat them like toys or with disrespect, if your forum is only for happy stories then its to shallow for me , and if reporting a bad experience is complaining then ciow for now

i want to be a happy fool again, no actually i would still rather know this reality

@Malelekakis yeah, ego had nothing to do with last night, there was no place for ego or ego death not a possibility or even relevant, ive heard many people say the DMT realm is more real than this realm and i now totally agree, im not sure if this was a punishment or just a glitch in the software, but man it really is all electronic, i never thought i would hope death to just be the end and without any consciousness, i just hope i can change my karma, as it may be bad karma thats why i thrown into mind hell

@Dodo exactly what i thought, god the last refuge for a scoundrel, but i dont believe after this experience in a god like i imagined before as its all a sort of electronic reality, thats what i feel anyway

@Paulus Amadeus thanks, i think i Will be seeking some wisdom, hopefully find someone truely wise about these matters

i must admit that I DID ASK the DMT to take me to hell if need be so i can learn some real lessons and give me the kick up the ass i needed, so maybe that's what it did, but all i learned is what true hell is like, maybe over time i can integrate this experience into a positive one but can't see how at the moment, it truly has changed my life but not how i wanted

@Rilles a@1liamo78 and i knew this place was real, unlike a dream it was a real place, well thats what i truely feel , if was more real than this place@Rilles there was no place ego or ego death in this place, no place or possibility for anything, i dont know i Will return to this place or if anyone else will but just scared if i do or if anyone else does, but on a positive note, i can appreciate just being at peace now, as have experienced the alternative, it definitely let me know somehow that this is a possible state for my consciousness to be stuck in, i definitely knew the place, everything i see now i can see beyond the illusion and basically see a simulated reality peace

@Rilles because i knew this place somehow and "it" the trip was letting me know that this a possibility of eternal consciousness

also it was electronic, i now believe reality is electronic somehow and consciousness can travel through it,

Hi, what are people’s ideas on enlightenment, do you believe it’s a real thing.? i do not believe it’s a real phenomenon and people can quickly change their perspective on life after a big life event etc and people just gain knowledge and wisdom from life experiences etc, and enlightenment seems to suggest that a person has all the answers but in reality I think they are almost as ignorant as most of us. thanks liam

@Brent thank you for your thoughts

I’ve been pondering this question for a long time and I think I’ve finally got it through my little brain that enlightenment is not about knowing everything and total knowledge, thank you, I think I can finally put this question to sleep and realise that anybody can become open to a higher truth no matter ones base IQ or experience ciow for now liam

Ok Nahm, that sort of puts a different perspective on the subject, using this way of thinking seems to suggest to me that enlightenment is a real attainable state of mind, thanks

Sorry about my gramma, I hope it makes sense

Thanks, I believe at this moment that self inquiry and meditation and psychedelics can boost ones wisdom and knowledge and even gain a perspective and truth about reality that you could never have imagined previously but I feel that it’s always an ongoing process and one can never understand everything, so is enlightenment an end destination or a is there a certain point that one crosses in the journey of truth seeking that they can be considered enlightened.?