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@Tony 845 is enlightenment your only metric for living a good life?

@LoveandPurpose yes I have a couple. One for my thoughts and insights, one specifically for nofap. I literally just started LPC a few days ago, so I have no idea. The first half of the course is just theory and watching other videos.

@Elysian do you know how much maturity it takes for me to take you seriously? I don't know you, this is just an online forum, and from my perspective you're talking down on me and have a superiority complex. I feel like very few others would have the patience to get this far. DESPITE ALL OF THAT, I had to remind myself to keep an open mind and to not judge. To entertain everything you said with sincerity, admittedly from my lack of love experience. So some things I learned: I had underestimated the written word, probably due to deconstructing it so often to the point of finding language meaningless. Which that's true in an absolute sense However, when I read back over our conversation it's obvious where our intent was. This is when I first started to accept that you were coming from a genuine place of love. My superiority complex was a big one, so thank you for pointing that out. I contemplated and found that it stems from me being lonely on this path (I only have one friend I can talk to about this shit), and perhaps not seeing much love in my surroundings. It's really disheartening to have made huge leaps in consciousness but still be in the same shitty job surrounded by the same blue/orange people who are incapable of love. I have never felt or seen unconditional love in my life. My parents love me very much, but it's a very conditional love; they are incapable of feeling unconditional love, and they don't have the framework to even know what that means. I still feel all alone. When I accused you of that, that was just my projection based on my own insecurities. I've worked through A LOT of them over the past couple of years, and I'm happy to be pointed out some more. Thank you for your time and kind words. Namaste

For me personally, I'm on day 15 of my 90-day nofap reboot. I have mindfulness practices. I spend some time on this forum. And I bought Leo's life purpose course and am slowly working through that! So quite a lot of stuff. The pros to an online journal are many. This is a supportive community of self-actualizers who can help you on the journey and keep you motivated. Accountability is huge. It's a lot easier to backslide if it's only you and your personal physical journal. I know, I've made so many false starts over the years. Also, your journey can help move other actualizers! It's all about sharing

@LoveandPurpose that's awesome! I'm going through similar lifestyle changes myself. Might I suggest keeping a self-actualization journal on here, it's extremely helpful.

@LoveandPurpose what habits are you trying to install? Just curious. trying to get your sense of purpose

@Elysian I REALLY appreciate the time and energy you put into responding, and I do know that you really care about me, same as I care about you. Let me be very clear here: you've made some wrong assumptions about me. Those assumptions are: that you've triggered me, that you're thusly healing me, you perceiving me to be inauthentic, and that I'm egoicly reacting. None of these are true in my direct experience. And I'm aware. Now, I do have energetic blockages, that's for sure, and I'm not fully aware of what they are. If you'd like to help me, then please read why I have a blockage on love, instead of droning on about how I'm hurt and that you're some telepathic God. I understood everything you said. I'm not emotional towards it. I'm going out on a limb here to see if you can actually do the things you said you could. Because I temperedy ego and realized I may need some help, if I really do come across that way through words. ❤️

@Elysian eh, love is one of many facets of this infinite void/consciousness. You shouldn't assume those things about me, unless you can literally read my energy through a screen. It's not that I'm unreceptive or blocked from your wisdom, it's that I and others don't have the necessary experiences of infinite love to relate. Your words are not truth, they are only as good as my personal body of experience (ie ability to relate). I'll say again that we speak from different frameworks and bodies of experience. Different understandings and perspectives of the same truth. There can be several unique, valid pointers to the same thing. Love is not all there is. Love is the metaphysical connection between us. But what are these connections? What is this stuff *waves hand in air*? A shapeless, distinctionless void that is conscious and infinitely intelligent. Love is a facet of that, when one being recognizes his true self as the same as every other, then the artificial separation of ego is severed and love (reconnection) emerges. Our emotion called Love is like a mark of this literal, metaphysical connection. It is the increase in identification to beyond oneself. I know this sounds all formal or scientific, but that's just how my mind works. The experience of it obviously cannot be put into words. It's much more special than that.

@Tony 845 that dude, Martin Ball, is the only person I know of for sure. It's really rare. But, uh, you're missing the point of psychedelics. They've personally been the greatest tool I've ever used (or will use) for personal development.

@Leonid Great man! Keep it up!

Day 14: Energy: 3 Awareness: 4 Sexual thoughts/urges: 5 Self-esteem: 4 Social confidence: 4 Feeling a little better today. I'm still practicing mindful awareness everywhere I can. I'm already starting to see some benefits, but I know those will build and skyrocket pretty soon!

@clouffy Enlightenment is to realize there is no perpendicular space in which to distance yourself from. Your intellectual mind is not distant from you. It is impossible to relate an analogy of 3-D space to enlightenment. It cannot be conceptualized, that's what it means to be transrational. Enlightenment is being. It comes prior to conceptualization of any kind. Transrational does not mean "beyond" or "up" like we'd normally think. It's more like "without." It's a qualitatively different kind of knowing that occurs without the presence of mind. It can only be experienced. It cannot be communicated, only pointed to.

It's really simple. Here are the purposes of life: Raise your consciousness. Raise your capacity to love. Take in the beauty of life. To feel alive! To not have a single day where you're just going through the motions. The key to this is to bring consciousness into every task, even the most mundane.

This is the big one!

Because they've released all of their earthly attachments. They've already died.

@LoveandPurpose You mean procrastinating on goals until an arbitrary date in time set to enslave us? You mean the thing the rest of the herd tries and fails at because they haven't realized it's an illusion? That's gonna be a no for me dog.

Ah, the zone of mediocrity. Aren't we all smitten?

Thank you. Perhaps you misinterpreted what I meant by "turquoise is similar to yellow." I meant that only in the sense that the way turquoise may use and view psychedelics is similar, and I also pointed out that turquoise is more interested in the nondual and love. From that perspective, I don't find it a contradiction to what you said. We just use different terminology because you're more tuned into the "frequency" and "healing" aspects of personal development. That's great, nothing wrong with that. It's all intimately connected in one way or another. Just know that there's more than one way to view the model of spiral dynamics, and that your insights may not be true or applicable for everybody.

I like how this said absolutely nothing about how higher stages think about or use psychedelics. Also, "the gap" is a figment of your imagination. It's just a model.

@Eric Tarpall ALL THE WAY TO ZERO BABY!!! LET'S GOOOO!!!!!

@LoveandPurpose Think of it this way. You change one habit at a time, you haven't changed yourself, you just hope that by changing your actions, you'll eventually change yourself. But the whole, long, grueling slog up the mountain is a fight against yourself. Your entire body wants to resist, and you'll easily rationalize why you shouldn't be taking these steps. Your mind has the capability to erase the mountain from view. Unless you want to struggle for months and months with no sight and no inner drive (because you haven't changed yourself), then don't do that. It could work if you had a strong foundation of habits already, but for me who basically had nothing to grab onto, I knew I had to work from the inside out. Might I suggest getting comfortable in your own body first. Do consciousness work first, and develop a thirst for it (you're here on this forum, so I think you might already have it). Practice being present as much as you can throughout the day. Be mindful. Practice self-love and love towards others. I have found that if you raise your consciousness enough, you'll reach a breaking point where you simply can't continue your old habits any longer. When this time comes, write in detail all of your thoughts and feelings, all of your fears and insecurities about making the BIG change in your life that you knew was inevitable. Then when you're truly ready, feeling that in every ounce of your being, make THE VOW. You're making the biggest changes in your life you can, so make this turning point official. Make a ceremony around it. This was known to be essential in ancient cultures, and trust me, it is. I wandered aimlessly for a little bit before I listened to Leo and realized how necessary a vow was to this path. This isn't a mission statement or anything, as I'm still trying to find my life purpose. You don't have to have everything figured out. But it's the vision to just say that from this day forward, I will be the person I was always meant to be. From this, I've made several huge changes at once, and I loved it. It hasn't been nearly as much of a struggle. Only you know if you're ready for something like this.

I attribute reading The Alchemist at a young age to maybe having been a big turning point in my consciousness. The seeds were planted there.

@Hellspeed Yeah, I've had glimpses of this stuff, and I'm past being a believer. I know this shit that's bordering on "psychic" abilities is the real deal.

@LoveandPurpose Yes. Bringing conscious awareness into every mundane task in your life is key. Prioritize higher consciousness, and everything else will fall into place. This is not easy, but it can bring about radical transformation. The transformation that occurs within will be reflected out there. THIS IS NO SHORTCUT!! It is extremely difficult, so take this advice with caution. I'm not sure if you'd be ready to tackle your inner demons first, but it worked for me. I found this to be the most effective and rewarding method, because like you I'm impatient and not cut out for one change at a time. I demanded more from myself to make it happen, but man am I seeing results (that's not the point I'm after, I'm not chasing results, but just to give you an idea).

Every stage will react to psychedelics based on their current values, simple. Blue is fundamentally closed off from psychedelics and would never touch them. If you tried to force it down their throats, they'd have a really bad trip and not glean anything from it. Orange would be open to psychs under the pretense of increased creativity and performance. You see this with people in silicon valley microdosing LSD to improve performance. That's all they care about. A nice side effect is that it's pushing orange into green. You're familiar with Green. A return to nature and wisdom of the self. Emotions and connection. This is the first stage that promotes psychedelic use because the benefits become so apparent. The values changed to community and love. I'm mostly at Yellow (I still have to integrate more green and femininity). Psychedelics are sacred tools for yellow. We're all about knowledge and being radically open-minded. Psychs are invaluable to better understanding ourselves and deconstructing the world. They allow us to take on new perspectives that were otherwise impossible or unimaginable. Turquoise is similar to yellow. But the emphasis is more on transcending the self. If you could put a stage on a particular psychedelic, then 5-meo would be turquoise. It's about gaining nondual experiences and being shown aspects of yourself as infinity. I doubt you can be at turquoise without having a nondual experience of infinite love. This doesn't HAVE to come from a psychedelic of course, but it's a much faster and direct path.