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@Leo Gura Fair enough.

@Leo Gura You say that everything that happens is Good. That is to admit it's Perfect because there is a higher intelligence at work. And yet you deny that there could be any metrics or values that this intelligence is working with? To work on anything with intelligence, you must use all the tools at your disposal to create an outcome you deem as "best," which is based on relative metrics and values. Hypothetically speaking, imagine if this universe used its infinite intelligence to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible; i.e. if the universe was infinitely hating. We would live in a very different world, wouldn't we? If we existed at all, we'd just spiral out of control and the human race would wipe itself out. That is not the reality we're in, however. Isn't it obvious that this infinite intelligence must have relative values to guide itself? Why is Love an irreducible facet of reality? And you can't say "it couldn't be any other way" because it obviously could be a radically different way. If Perfect is an absolute, then that doesn't mean anything does it? Isn't that basically saying "it is what it is, and that's why it's Perfect?" Isn't that a kind of circular reasoning? This doesn't seem to be the case at all. Consider all the phenomena of "divine intervention." My understanding of why these things occur changes all the time (recontextualized), but the phenomena are still there. THERE IS a force that pulls us in certain directions... Reality isn't left to its own devices! It is intelligent and sculpts how we learn and grow. It's beautiful! There are forces baked into this singularity. What are they?

Ego is the root of all fear. So if you're a doctor, do you treat the root or attack the symptoms?

@Fairy "Strangers passing in the street, by chance two separate glances meet. I am you and what I see is me. "And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land? And help me understand the best I can?" ❤️

Cool story bro. I am entertaining an idea that Leo has mentioned several times. Life is suffering for most people, yes, but the ability to transcend suffering is baked into it; in fact something we are leaning towards as society evolves. That "life is suffering" is not antithetical to "reality is perfect."

Thanks for your input, guys. I figured out that my misunderstanding and ensuing "freak out" was rooted in my assumption that consciousness was a quality someone could have. I already knew this, but this duality still crept into my views. I'm watching Leo's video "What is intelligence?" to clear some stuff up, and like any good content, it's raising more questions than I started with! So to answer my own question, infinite intelligence is not logical or computer-based. Epistemically, it can't be on a multitude of levels, and I was aware of that before and that's what led to my mindfuck. We are all one. "I" am not conscious, "you" are not conscious, everything is conscious equally. Consciousness is a field of being. Intelligence is also a field. Just the fact that "we" are experiencing a human experience is a miracle and a gift. I'm having more and more insights to this, I just needed to share this post to get my brain going

@Leo Gura No, that's the thing... All the signs are pointing to there NOT being other (in a weird way), and my ego is going, "What the fuck???" I understand that I am everyone else, and the level of connectedness I feel with the world is so great that it seems like the world changes around me to fit my tastes in seemingly impossible ways. Synchronicities through the roof. It's to the point where it feels like it's LITERALLY only me and I'm in some type of simulation. Does any of this make sense? I've had a few awakening experiences but I still don't quite understand this yet. Maybe I'm already there, it's just that my ego can't wrap its head around it...

Leo, you mentioned this briefly in your wage slavery video. I think this would be an extremely fascinating and important topic. There are a couple of techniques that I know of, such as: Thomas Edison used to hold a steel ball in his hand and drift off to sleep in his chair, and the second he drifted off, the metal ball would clang on the ground, and he's jolt awake and write down his ideas. How cool is that? Tom Bilyeu (Impact Theory YT channel) says that he uses his own technique he calls "Thinkitivity," where meditates until he reaches a theta (?) brain wave state, then writes down everything that comes to him on his laptop. He says that 85% of his business ideas come from Thinkitivity. I'm sure there are many other meditation techniques that can lead to infinite creativity. In your area of expertise, you could discuss WHY these techniques work (from a metaphysical perspective), what creativity really is and where it comes from, and how to apply it for personal development. Perhaps you have some ideas on how to use psychedelics for creativity? This would be such a juicy topic!

99.9% of people who die cannot see through the illusion of the ego to realize true self! And even if that was the case, how would this point mean anything? For all I know, all chickens could be enlightened, and honestly they're much closer to enlightenment than most people. That's my secret... I don't have a point! HAHA! Unconsciousness. No, not at all. What you're not seeing is that even animals "raised humanely" still suffer quite a lot. It's an unnecessary life, and if the Buddhists had anything to say about it, life is Dukkha (suffering). I do not fear impending death. I am identified with the chicken. That could hurt the ego, so watch out. Perhaps you're projecting your own fear of suffering and fear of being on the same level as a chicken. From the moment it was born.

@ajasatya I'm not OK with putting it all to "magic" stuff over there. How could it possibly be that void is infinitely intelligent? Have you really thought about the ramifications of something "infinitely intelligent?" Like... Really? And by "best" I don't mean our human- entered perspective. I mean universally best. It's obvious that there is a higher order/purpose to everything. Do you realize that the only way that's possible is if this infinite intelligence had access to every possibility in existence? At every moment in time?

You didn't answer my question. Notice how you put up a straw man of "so you're saying this?" Also notice how you depersonalized my question by saying, "for a human,...." I'm asking how you'd feel about a policy where you could grow people and sell their parts once they hit a certain age. And if you were chosen next

@ajasatya yes you're right, and no it's not that. I guess what I'm getting at are the ramifications of infinite intelligence... What does that actually mean for us? That means we're living the best life we could possibly live? Infinite intelligence would have to know all possible points in time for it to be infinitely intelligent, wouldn't it? And where is this data stored? It itself has to be the data storage, as it cannot lie outside of reality...

@ajasatya Glad I could make you laugh Why? I don't know if I can or not, I'm just genuinely curious. Just like you can know conceptually that we're in a strange loop, but it's impossible to play- through the strange loop and actually know how it works. "Infinite intelligence cannot be grasped, blah blah blah." Yes, but can it be better modeled or understood? I have some big epistemic issues with infinite intelligence, and I have an intuition that they can be solved if I knew more. I think it's possible to know...

@Rilles so glad we could come together and have this wonderful dinner of Roast Matt ?? Let's converse over how responsible it was to buy grass-fed Matt. He was grown so humanely that he didn't even see it coming!

@Matt8800 How would you feel if someone else were to kill you right now and make a bunch of money selling your parts to hospitals? You've been raised humanely, have you not? Your death would be painless, would it not? What's the problem here, if there is one?

@Nahm what do you mean?

@Nahm woahh. Does that mean "knowing" is untenable? An illusion?

Good insight. It's true. You think none of us have suffered? Where's your humility?

@Anton Rogachevski how funny is this, this whole thing was just a reflection on how I project... I also tend to identity as yellow, but I'm only that way on one or two lines of development, and honestly I'm pretty underdeveloped (even retarded) in other lines. I'm really not saying any of this to call you out or put myself above you in any way. I just noticed that your words hinted at a possible self-deception. Notice that self-evaluating using spiral dynamics without nuance can actually blind-side you to the problems you really should be working on. I'm not saying this at you, as I notice this in myself. I just wanted to see if you were aware of these things, and it looks like you are

@Anton Rogachevski but you're 5% red and 20% blue? Maybe I misunderstood what you meant...

@Anton Rogachevski did you accurately evaluate a bunch of members and crunch the numbers, then it so happened to match up to where you rate yourself? Or were you so self-centered that you used self-bias to confirm that you're at the average of the site? That the site revolves around you? Because that could certainly add to your feeling of "belonging" and "community." There's a lot to gain for your ego from holding this position, so watch out! Those are some oddly specific percentages... I'm interested to see if you have any observations to back that up, or if you're just that deluded... Either way, it will be fascinating for both of us.

@Paul92 I watched the video, and it doesn't mean anything. The whole thing could have been faked, it could have been a legit healing, could have been any number of things, it really doesn't matter. Even assuming it was real, there was no correlation between what was experienced and "God." You see, this whole thing reeks of manipulation. Why did it have to take place in a church or "prove" that God exists? The magician influenced how the trick was perceived by holding the event in a church and slanting each conversation with the duality of "Atheism" and "God." The only "evidence" you have or need is your direct experience. Getting caught up in convenient theories is actually a sign of close-mindedness. You are not open-minded

@Mikael89 what is there not to enjoy?

@Anton Rogachevski Leo's community as a whole is nowhere near turquoise.

@Anton Rogachevski what I meant is that if you established a turquoise educational system, it would not work in today's society. The turquoise education would be BUILT UPON a foundation where people's barriers were broken down. There is no achievement to be had. The idea of a diploma is long-gone. You or I can not fathom what a school of the magnitude you mentioned would require, and that would CERTAINLY not come to fruition within our lifetimes. Focus on what a high green/yellow education would look like. Even a fully yellow school that's viable and accessible is WAYYYYY out there.