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You didn't answer my question. Notice how you put up a straw man of "so you're saying this?" Also notice how you depersonalized my question by saying, "for a human,...." I'm asking how you'd feel about a policy where you could grow people and sell their parts once they hit a certain age. And if you were chosen next

@ajasatya yes you're right, and no it's not that. I guess what I'm getting at are the ramifications of infinite intelligence... What does that actually mean for us? That means we're living the best life we could possibly live? Infinite intelligence would have to know all possible points in time for it to be infinitely intelligent, wouldn't it? And where is this data stored? It itself has to be the data storage, as it cannot lie outside of reality...

@ajasatya Glad I could make you laugh Why? I don't know if I can or not, I'm just genuinely curious. Just like you can know conceptually that we're in a strange loop, but it's impossible to play- through the strange loop and actually know how it works. "Infinite intelligence cannot be grasped, blah blah blah." Yes, but can it be better modeled or understood? I have some big epistemic issues with infinite intelligence, and I have an intuition that they can be solved if I knew more. I think it's possible to know...

@Rilles so glad we could come together and have this wonderful dinner of Roast Matt ?? Let's converse over how responsible it was to buy grass-fed Matt. He was grown so humanely that he didn't even see it coming!

@Matt8800 How would you feel if someone else were to kill you right now and make a bunch of money selling your parts to hospitals? You've been raised humanely, have you not? Your death would be painless, would it not? What's the problem here, if there is one?

@Nahm what do you mean?

@Nahm woahh. Does that mean "knowing" is untenable? An illusion?

Good insight. It's true. You think none of us have suffered? Where's your humility?

@Anton Rogachevski how funny is this, this whole thing was just a reflection on how I project... I also tend to identity as yellow, but I'm only that way on one or two lines of development, and honestly I'm pretty underdeveloped (even retarded) in other lines. I'm really not saying any of this to call you out or put myself above you in any way. I just noticed that your words hinted at a possible self-deception. Notice that self-evaluating using spiral dynamics without nuance can actually blind-side you to the problems you really should be working on. I'm not saying this at you, as I notice this in myself. I just wanted to see if you were aware of these things, and it looks like you are

@Anton Rogachevski but you're 5% red and 20% blue? Maybe I misunderstood what you meant...

@Anton Rogachevski did you accurately evaluate a bunch of members and crunch the numbers, then it so happened to match up to where you rate yourself? Or were you so self-centered that you used self-bias to confirm that you're at the average of the site? That the site revolves around you? Because that could certainly add to your feeling of "belonging" and "community." There's a lot to gain for your ego from holding this position, so watch out! Those are some oddly specific percentages... I'm interested to see if you have any observations to back that up, or if you're just that deluded... Either way, it will be fascinating for both of us.

@Paul92 I watched the video, and it doesn't mean anything. The whole thing could have been faked, it could have been a legit healing, could have been any number of things, it really doesn't matter. Even assuming it was real, there was no correlation between what was experienced and "God." You see, this whole thing reeks of manipulation. Why did it have to take place in a church or "prove" that God exists? The magician influenced how the trick was perceived by holding the event in a church and slanting each conversation with the duality of "Atheism" and "God." The only "evidence" you have or need is your direct experience. Getting caught up in convenient theories is actually a sign of close-mindedness. You are not open-minded

@Mikael89 what is there not to enjoy?

@Anton Rogachevski Leo's community as a whole is nowhere near turquoise.

@Anton Rogachevski what I meant is that if you established a turquoise educational system, it would not work in today's society. The turquoise education would be BUILT UPON a foundation where people's barriers were broken down. There is no achievement to be had. The idea of a diploma is long-gone. You or I can not fathom what a school of the magnitude you mentioned would require, and that would CERTAINLY not come to fruition within our lifetimes. Focus on what a high green/yellow education would look like. Even a fully yellow school that's viable and accessible is WAYYYYY out there.

My words are not predicated upon, nor seek to gain, your agreement or disagreement. Take from it what you will.

@Mikael89 your mental masturbation about the absolute is silly. You are the one putting artificial limits on it. You are correct in that it doesn’t need anything. The entirety of Maya is pointless and not needed. However, we needed to evolve brains in order to have this current experience within the illusion. Do you understand? Without the illusion of a brain there cannot be an illusion of self or physicality, and reality as you know it would cease to exist.

What I'm saying is that if you honestly investigated the issue with your direct experience, you would find otherwise. The direct experience you point at doesn't tell you anything outside of your field of view, and in both cases, this observation of your immediate experience would appear flat. Research scenarios in which you can use direct experience to see a difference between the flat vs. round earth. All I'm saying is that this investigation could be worthwhile... You use GPS, no? You are part of a GLOBAL community? You rely on dozens of technogies based on the relative fact the earth is round. You travel? You wanna know how shit works? This is where it starts... Make an honest investigation of your reality. I'm making a case for you to dive into experience and out of concepts, but you seem insistent on building walls around yourself. See how you're just cutting yourself off from direct experience. Now, you can't investigate everything, so if you're fine at leaving it at "I don't know," that's perfectly OK. I'm not talking down at you, not forcing you to do anything. I'm just perceiving you as someone who'd LIKE to know about this issue, but is convinced that there is no way. All I'm saying is that there IS a way if you're interested.

The Absolute needed brains to play in the illusion of 3-D space. This entire illusion of materialism has certain rules to maintain the intelligent design of the illusion. If brains didn't exist, then we wouldn't be living life as we live it. Really think about this. Think of the brain as the "master distinction/perception" from which you can alter any other perception. Do you see the need for such a tool? A tool grounded in PHYSICALITY that can alter our consciousness directly? The brain is the bridge or interface between the physical illusion and the spiritual. Watch Leo's video "What is Love- advanced spiritual explanation."

@Cepzeu my point still stands. You're playing the part of the false skeptic, because you can't admit to yourself that you don't know enough about the problem to know if it's even possible to arrive at a satisfactory, relative conclusion yet. You used concepts within your mind to assume that an answer couldn't be found, thus cutting you off from direct experience. This is quite a self-deception. Proof itself is an untenable notion because it implies absolute fact. I can't actually prove anything to you. In fact, like Godel, the only thing you can prove to yourself is that all proofs are unprovable. The fact that the earth is round is a generalized, relative fact. So what I meant by, "prove to yourself," is simply to observe that from your relative, human perspective, the earth is sensed to be round. You assume that this knowledge would be inconsequential to your life, but be open to the possibility that that's just an assumption to keep you tied up in concepts. It's way more practical than you know, but of course, the only way to KNOW is to explore this issue yourself. Don't be a false skeptic.

So your happiest times were mystical experiences? Those come and go. Ah, but what was the mystical experience pointing to? In order for the mystical to become your normal, you have to embody the Truth at whatever cost. Follow it until you die. In order to attain what you're after, you can't actually take "you " with you. There's no extra seating on this celestial train

Lick the top of your skull. I'll wait

You are absolutely right, that's a valid point. That should be your default stance on something that you know nothing about. It's important to say "I don't know" and to not become attached to any outcome. But I don't know if you know this, but it's actually possible to prove to yourself that the earth is round! Extremely easy to see, with dozens of ways to cross reference and verify. You're lost in concepts, even outsourcing your understanding of the world to "scientists." I say that if you research and do some work, you can be certain whether the earth is round or flat today. Of course, the earth is part of Maya, illusion, but wouldn't it be relatively important and practical to know the fucking shape of the rock you live on?

@Anton Rogachevski I have, and that's not the direction we should be going. There are many dangers with turning personal development into a traditional school with tests. For instance, everyone's journey is completely different, you can't account for the "HW" practice at home (meditation, self-inquiry, yoga, etc), and turning enlightenment work into "achievement" and "progress" would ultimately be counter-productive. This is a stage orange approach. I like what MindValley U is doing. That's a really progressive vision of what school at stage green/yellow might look like. But self-actualization must stay at "self," and should not be standardized. Because at the highest levels of what we're aiming for, absolutely nothing can be said about it! How can you standardize or even "diploma" a knowledge that's transrational and beyond words? You'd need a qualitatively different model altogether!

Sometimes he waits until mid-day (US time) to release it.