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so elegant <3 thanks

@Bauer1977 are you now speaking from and abiding as the absolute most of/all the time? \ and what ultimately led you to this understanding .. ?

This is a groundless basic assumption. @Anton Rogachevski really? you're saying that because you are not getting what he is talking about... try this, clap your hands. the sound you hear is heard without thought, is it not? sure there maybe a thought right after that fact that this is a sound of my hands clapping... so if you wanna get that, then take a random abstract sound which you cannot label... you will hear it and it will be without a thought you may have a thought what is that sound? what does it belong to? but notice how you become aware of the sound itself without any thought. the thought follows your awareness of the sound.

Wow. @Serotoninluv Thanks. I think i recall rupert spira about making a distinction between simply awareness vs 'awareness of' You illustrated that nicely there

of course. yes. those are indeeed thoughts. and that question you asked is also a thought. i really liked how @Serotoninluv put it above also, saw this comment below on youtube under Leo's video. It's a nice sum up. You - as the true nature of 'you'/self - are the 'awareness' behind all thoughts. You are the awareness that hear the birds sing and see the green leaves of a tree. This 'awareness', that you truly are, is not an object, not a thought, not a thing, not a concept, not an emotion, not a feeling, not an experience, not a form of energy, not a program... it is absolutely nothing. You can call it nothingness, you can call it whatever you want. It is zero, 0, nothing, however, at the same time, you, as this awareness, is actually the only "thing" that truly exist; it's eternal, universal, you are in other words the fabric and structure of existence it self, or to put it in yet another words: you are the whole Universe. Everytime you have a thought, you have the option to just be completely aware of the thought and do NOTHING about it; you're only noticing it. The other option (the opposite option) is to align your self with the thought, that is to not become aware of it, but instead to dive into it and let it affect you and give meaning to you (in other words: more thinking). The act of thinking "oh I must stop thinking this" is not being completely aware of the thought, but rather the oppsite: diving into the thought and giving it meaning. To be completely aware of thoughts takes practice. Most people, including me to a large degree, are very, very unaware and so, so caught up in the game of playing the person they think they are. Meditating is about being completely aware of thoughts and doing nothing about them, but instead just being completely aware of them. At some point you get so good at being aware of the thoughts and not diving into them, that the mind stops 'creating' thoughts (because it's tired of you not caring about them), and you will eventually instead align with the true nature of yourself, that is: nothingness, and you will at that point experience complete ego death, which will knock your socks off, as Leo says.

@Arhattobe yes. the ego of the person may hate themselves sure. the ego may or may not love itself. loving yourself fully also applies accepting yourself fully - btw that's also something we all need to do. love and accept ourselves fully - our self is also part of WHAT-IS i am talking from the absolute POV the killer, his emotions thoughts about himself and others - all that is infinite love / consciousness talking about the essential make up, all that being infinite love.

@Arhattobe i think leo answered this and it's very elegant serial killer is absolutely infinite love it is infinte love, however, of himself. so much so nothing is forsaken to have that desire met to kill. yes, quite twisted but the TRUTH is the same for all an author of a novel loves each of his characters all the same the good guy and the bad guy are both heros in the author's eyes it's all just a story from the author/absolute's point of view the good guy is only a good guy in contrast to the bad guy

yes. love is the absolute and complete acceptance of what is a mother accepting her child's behavior when he breaks things around the house (young child ) full acceptance of what is - yes, this is the case and infinte love / consiouness is all there is one feels that infinte love when one transends the false association with the self and becomes nothing=everything - consiouness as a whole ONE. so yes, love is what consiouness is... love is what we are.

@Wisebaxter anytime and the next point would be to realize that YOU were never doing anything to begin with... let alone doing something wrong #OneStepAtATime

@Wisebaxter you're welcome also i like @Jack River 's pointers. read them a few times till something clicks again lol took a while but yeah, what jack is talking about is the mechanism of how it all functions and comes together. seeing that thru is the ending of it. #StillWorkingOnItMyself about your question above... each one of us is always in an enlightened state... (always outside of the Virtual Reality world while wearing the VR headset) you are not sometimes outside of the world and sometimes in it also keep in mind, from the absolute perspective, there is no outside/inside of the world. it's ONE. but just using metaphors here also yes. ending of thoughts all together and having a quite mind is the key so when you have those periods without thoughts, try and be watchful during those the true seeing/realization is thoughtless. it is a deep understanding which will be "felt" so to speak... once again, the deep seeing / recognition will not be a thought sure you can have thoughts about the realization when you first have it (likely OMGOMGOMGOMG WTFF so on.. ) but the initial direct experience or seeing/relaization is beyond thought

@Wisebaxter i am sure rupert talks about becoming aware of your true nature The intergration of that recognition can take time but it variers. There is no set amount Ultimately, when the I thought has completely / 99% vanished, one can be said to be enlightened The ego needs to vanish / die / be seen for what it is - a thought, but a persistent one Becoming aware of your true nature gives it that shake up to kill it.. and it isnt a one shot thing... Multiple awakenings and work is required to fully get there Once it is had. Then it is realized that it was always the case... Just a case of mistaken identity... Like for example, lets say an actor actually forgetting that he is just an actor filming a movie and then suffering from the happening / plot of the movie Find out about your true nature is the goal of spirituality. And then once you find out, it's also recognizing you were always watching the TV from the couch... You were never inside of thr world you thought you were in... Or better metaphor given today's technology... It's the recognition that you were wearing a VR headset all along and has mistaken yourself to be the character appearing in the VR film

@Dodo you know what i mean

You got it! It is certainly a thought which includes in it your me-ness... Because,Your "me-ness" is afterall a thought. The you that you think you are and identify with right now is just a thought! Let that sink in... One thing which was kinda a shake up for me was the repeating of this line in my head "I am not my thoughts, including this current thought" Something about this clicked and i saw the space and separation between me and the thoughts You see, what we are deep down below does not do the talking, it merely watches this play moment to moment In this play also exist a human experience and then also of the humans discovering their true absolute nature The realizations are communicated with and talked about with language to others and thoughts within, but all are not you... Just seen/witnessed by you.

@Dodo because there cannot be any limits to what is possible or not you make your own reality - (not implying this is what i am choosing to believe in) there is nothing which can prevent this from happening again, if you talk about rules in this reality then explain any mystical experience to a person of science ... they will let you be thinking you've lost ye marbles

@Dodo lol i included myself in the set of the people who are far away from this possibility this would require a lot of time and dedication and focus to accomplish again, crazy examples like million bucks or elephant to spawn aside but trying to move a small object with mind - very doable... can i do it? nope is it possible ? with enough work and effort, yes how much is enough? cannot be said same as enlightenment, it's the love for truth and how badly you want it which also drives the movement towards the realization - sure it can happen spontaneously to someone who knows nothing about the path (kinda like the first "glimpse" ) I had...

@Wisebaxter recognize that YOU just exist as the AWARE PRESENCE - not the body/mind sitting there in meditation watching his/her thoughts. you are aware that there are no thoughts as you have a thought about watching them you are aware that thoughts are being thought and then realize you had a thought all of this is seen you are doing the watching of not just thoughts, but you are watching everything all the time that is what you must become aware of, directly so.

@Dodo aren't the thought/experience one? i dont think i have it "flipped" there is no "flipped" if they are both the same thing... two sides of a coin, still a coin and sure, elepahtn out of thin air was an absurd example but there are cases about levitation, magic, mind movement etc all over in this reality with these "rules" that you talk about. there are no rules! all is possible within this particular realm too... just that the probablity is close to zero... which can be undone. anyhow, yes, the point was not to dwell in the oberthinking. so i'll end it here @Yousef reality is all. from the absolute sense there are no places where something works or doesn't work . the rules from the absolute sense do not even exist. but yes, for @Arkandeus i was just talking about him thinking about the two sides of LOA - both being beliefs in of themself the tanget to that with the whole manifestation as possible talk was my conversation with you, not @Arkandeus

@Dodo there exists, within absolute infinity, a phenomenal experience in which there is a thought which appears about making an elephant appear out of thin air followed by the appearance of that elephant out no seemingly nowhere all above are distinctions so it's modulation of these distinctions in that way - when you place labels on each of those distinctions, then you have an elephant appearing out of thin air preceded by a thought which wills it into seeming existence that's all which is being said. so yes, do tell me, would that bolded line above be a lie? i am also seriously asking, do tell me. thanks i don't think that it is incorrect to say that (again the chances in our universe are very possible 1 / infinte ) but it is possible - heck it IS the case somewhere right now

@Yousef there is no cause/effect in reality all just is... so the mechanism you seek is not there (there can be apparent mechanisms which seemingly exist but you and I know they are also appearances and not mechanisms) what i am telling you is what appears to happen and your beliefs (which are also appearing to you) define what you experience and how you will experience reality (also beyond your control) but even after all this, we can choose to make decisions and do things in life so, just like that, if this is what appears to happen, it will bring about that manifestation also - keep in mind, absolute infinity - all possibilities existing, not actualized for you in the moment but they are there. all of them. so yes, instead of the mechanism of how the object will/maybe moved by thought, it's rather understanding the mechanism of reality as a whole which will allow you to understand how that scenario may happen / manifest

@Yousef for someone untrained like you and I ... intense work and dedication on concentration of that thought works with growing belief and traction say you put a small object in-front of you and focus your entire will to move it and believe that you can do so now when you begin, you do not yet have the belief as a proof. it's more so a belief like you and I may have about the absolute/oneness as existing out there... i haven't had a glimpse or a deep enough glimpse to recognize what it was when i did have it... but as Leo and many others say, once you have the glimpse, you know that it is a REAL thing beyond just an idea/concept same thing here, it can be 100s of hours before you can move the small object (if you are able to that is) but ONCE you do move it, even by 1 Centimeter you have your proof right there which ignites the flame of belief and then from there on . you are able to do it more and more and with increased strength and ability to do it and at WILL but keep in mind, the concentration on doing this requires a lot of practice and dedication

Absolute IS LIFE Life is not a property of dead matter or any form of phenomena sought/sight/taste/touch etc. Absolute is beyond all opposites - such that it is the container of all relative opposites - which is everything! It is the blank canvas for reality - but unlike a blank canvas used for paintings which is usually white, the Absolute is infinitely more blank than that. it is so blank that it can contain all possibility and modulations which are in turn made of itself the absolute is like the blank checkered background you see in Adobe Photoshop software... but it cannot be imagined or conceived of... if it were conceivable then it could not be the Absolute it IS actually the ultimate and the (only) ONE conceiver of reality

@Yousef bingo! good one ^^^^ but fo real! sounds crazy but yes, you can manifest an elephant if you believed strongly enough in being able to do so

@Yousef here's a curve ball for ya you do realize that there is no restriction/limitation which would prevent this from happening? i mean sitting in a room and hoping for a million dollars to appear in-front of you magically is absolutely possible. all i am saying is that it is possible (not talking about the % of likelihood which maybe as good as zero but it is not zero) but for someone who has never had such an experience, for them to just get up and do it and expect it to happen won't work. as you said, requires time/attention/dedication and then if all aligns correctly, it will work it's like trying to do a random trick shot or something whacky in sports or any activity like shooting the ball while rebounding it off the wall or a couple of walls and it ends up going in chances are low but it will/can happen. there is nothing which can be said to be or not be a certain way all is possible the famous example of monkeys hitting random keyboard strokes and typing up the whole of Shakespeare - likely? not very... but possible? 100% !

@Arkandeus recognize that you saying law of attraction does not work is also a belief belief 1: LOA works belief 2: LOA does not work both are beliefs any how, i am sure you know that already also. for LOA. there are many things which need to be realized for example there is also the fact there there is nobody inside that body to believe and follow in the LOA or try to focus or want it it all just happens dont it? so understand it this way. that when/if one finds a deep wanting or desire for something (whethere they think they are wanting it or it is just happening) then it will happen for them but you cannot try to WILL it to happen for example, you cannot try to make a cup levitate infront of you... maybe overtime with 10000+ hours of dedication of it i have had LOA work for me in cases where i have had no answer but to look back and realize LOA was in action infact, if it is a LAW, it must always be in action just like gravity no matter if you get the math behind it, it works same thing here you are attracting that which you are vibrating against/with at this time and you have attracted the belief that LOA does not work

@Cepzeu thank you that point about letting go of trying to control or wanting it to go right can cause issues god bless