SoonHei

@Aakash "the experiencer is you and the experience is also you you are aware of yourself at all times" Love it.

Thanks And thank you @Mu_ I feel that with the new Technology available to us... Making illustrations of what the truth is gets easier. Like wearing a VR headset... If all of the contents of the VR headset you see (360°) became YOU. You as the perceiver would be at the center of it and yet "separate" (outside) from it... Separate but intimately so.

@Amun hahaha . Love it

@now is forever thank you. Yes, the next seeing whenever i get Intune with it. The plan is just to be... Be still and be it all. Bless

@Anton Rogachevski got it. Indeed. Just an extreme recontextualization such also has an energetic component linked with feeling it as well @Mu_ pertaining to the seeing of the obvious. I am sure, though it cannot be pointed to (and i know why) i get the sense of what it is like (at best it is a map to the territory) But it's like if you could go META to Reality (which you can't) then lets say if i were in a room in my present experience... What "I" am in that case is the entirety of the room with a centered POV from my eyes looking out (Nothing changes visually) i become my entire visual field, physically so... Such that these words used by some like "i couldn't run away from my self..." Makes sense Of course. At best this is a map. And yes. The focus will be to remain in that simple content state of I AM as much so. God bless.

@Jack River @Serotoninluv <3 bless up

Hmmm. Thank you all. One thing for certain. Based on what all you have said. The I AM state that i was talking about is very "basic" Unless it IS supposed to be very basic. As Jim Newman says, it's just too obvious for the ego and ego thinks it's something magical. I am not talking about the full non-dual experience which I presume is far more obvious and thus much much much more easily overlooked. @Mu_ the I AM state which I was talking about was simply this: During one of my meditation sits, had a series of thoughts, question what is enlightenment, what is my true nature, where am I? Etc... When something I had read popped in my mind... That end of seeking these answers is the ending of thought. And that's what happened, my mind quited in the moment. I just was. Eyes closed. And no thought. I had my full sense of body. Aware that I, this body-mind is sitting and meditating but have no thoughts. Juat felt at peace. Understood that this is what thoughts loop back into. Question arising or any desire or any voice in the head is exactly what the ego is. I can go back in that state by quickly asking myself AM I AWARE and just pausing there after I recognize that blank aware state. That's what I am calling the I AM state. Unsure, if the I AM state is actually a much deeper state which maybe you guys thought I was referring to? Though, I also spoke with some others and they did advice that's a good recognition in the process and now I should stay in that blank I AM state of peace through the day, working, driving ... Just as much as possible. So yeah, theres that. Appreciate everyone's response! Thank you guys. @Serotoninluv @Nahm @Anton Rogachevski @Jack River

The journey ends right where it begins. This is it. An amazing share below as well: There is nothing that you have to become or be. . . . Think of all the people running around looking for liberation, looking for realization. Who wants to be liberated? The ego. There is no ego. There is no one to be liberated, but you continue doing it. You continue carrying on your deeds, you continue believing that you exist. Remember, never put lion's milk in a clay pot. So why are you here? You want a teaching. You want a lesson. You want a mantra. You're looking for a way out. All this keeps you back. Your searching, your seeking keeps you back. It doesn't make you fulfilled. It doesn't do anything for you. Awakening is a joke. Liberation is a joke. My sitting here talking to you is a joke, for you think you have to find something, you think you have to achieve something, you think you have to become something. This is what the scriptures mean by attachment. You're attached to your mind, and its false beliefs. The so-called mind tells you that something is this way and something is that way, this is good and this is bad, this is right and this is wrong, and you react to it, bringing more problems into your so called existence. But, wouldn't it be beautiful if you could just awaken one morning and realize you don't exist, that you never existed, and no one exists, there's no existence whatsoever? Then where would you be? Who knows? But as long as you believe that you exist, you're going to stick up for your rights, you're going to fight for survival, you're going to seek wisdom. It is all very funny to me. Even when I tell you to wake up, there's really no one to wake up, for no one's ever gone to sleep. To wake up you have to be asleep. Who sleeps? You may say, "The body, the mind sleeps," but there is no body, there is no mind. There never was. [!] . All the teachings you've been through are a waste of time, the struggling, running all over the world looking for Masters and teachers, reading all these scriptures in detail, to what avail? Why do you think you need these things? All you really have to do is understand what I am talking about. Ponder what I say. And then forget it. Do not hold on to thoughts, to words, to messages. The reason the bird sings beautifully, and exists so beautifully, is because it doesn't know it's a bird. It doesn't know it's anything. It has no idea what it is. We give it a name, bird. We could have given it the name cow. We call a bird a bird and we call a cow a cow. We give names to all these things, but these things just are. They aren't here, they aren't there. They aren't good, they aren't bad. They just are, and the same with you. You are not this and you are not that, you just are. There is nothing you have to do, absolutely nothing you have to do. [!] Think of all the years you've spent studying. Where's it all going to lead? What will become of it? You may have altruistic attitudes, believe that you're doing good for the world, for the future of this world, but this world has no future. It never did, it never will. As I mentioned in the beginning, we have had millions of civilizations on this earth, they've come and they've gone. Civilizations that surpassed where we are now. It's all gone. What I'm trying to say is you can't do any good for anybody. Everything is right just the way it is. Nothing in this world needs improvement. The improvement idea comes into your own mind. You believe you are a person, you believe you think, then the ideas come to you, what you can do to improve the world, and you try, and you try, and you try, to no avail. You must know yourself as no thing. Do not look at yourself as something. Always bear in mind, there is absolutely nothing you have to do. This is how you become happy, peaceful, joyous, for when there is nothing in the mind, happiness itself becomes prevalent. . Awaken from this mortal dream. [!] When I say this ask yourself, "Who has to awaken?" "Who is there who has to awaken?" The way you make progress‚ if there's any progress to be made, is by contradicting everything I say. Again, when I say, "Wake up," ask yourself, "who is there to wake up?" When I say, "Drop everything," inquire, "who's to drop everything?" In other words, what you're doing is you're saying there never was anybody or anything that has to wake up or to drop. Nothing like that exists. There's no one who exists like that. Can't you see now why there is nothing to say, really? Can you see all the words are redundant, superfluous? We can play all sorts of games if we want to, do all sorts of mantras, tantric techniques. We can do all of these things, but for what, to what avail? You just have to know that you are nobody, there's absolutely nothing to do, and no one exists. [!] This relieves you of everything, doesn't it? It relieves you of all responsibility to yourself and to the world. Again, what I'm telling you will not turn you into a vegetable, where you just sit on a log and contemplate your navel. If you're listening to me correctly, you will do whatever you're doing now but you'll be happier than you've ever been in your life, because you'll realize that it doesn't matter. You'll know there's nobody really doing anything. Yet you will be doing the work that you usually do, if you want to do that. You will appear to be living a human existence, but you will know there's nobody left to do anything. The doer is gone. There's no doer. The doer has been completely wiped out. [!] . Some of you still believe that if you become this way you'll become so sarcastic and belligerent, you will not care, you will not be loving and kind, but this is not true. On the contrary, as you drop everything, as you let go of all your preconceived ideas, your dogmas, as you forget all of your rituals and all the things you've been doing all your life, what we call LOVE begins to function as you. What we call COMPASSION begins to function as you. LOVING KINDNESS, PEACE, these attributes will automatically take over, for you have lost all fear. When you have lost all fear for existence, LOVE automatically takes over. But as long as you fear existence and you think something's wrong somewhere, then the mind blows up all kinds of pictures, and you have to go out and defend yourself and do things, for your own self aggrandizement. (pause) Never put goat's milk in a wooden pot. [silence] -- Robert Adams, T170: It’s All A Cosmic Joke

@Preetom bless up <3

In this verse Sri Ramana explains in a few very simple words how we can put an end to the illusory appearance of this primal thought ‘I’. Since every thought that rises in our mind is formed and known only by our first thought ‘I’, and since our first thought ‘I’ rises from and always depends upon our essential consciousness of being, ‘I am’, whatever thought may rise, we can know it only because we first know ‘I am’. Thus every thought can serve as a reminder to us of our own being. In order to show us how we can make the rising of any thought an opportunity for us to remember our being, Sri Ramana gives us the simple formula, ‘To whom? To me. What is the place from which I rise?’ By giving us this formula, Sri Ramana does not mean that we should constantly question ourself, ‘To whom has this thought occurred? Only to me. What is the place from which this “me” has risen?’. What he means is that we should use any thought that rises to remind ourself of our thinking mind, which we now feel to be ‘I’, because remembering this ‘I’ that thinks and knows each thought will in turn remind us of our essential consciousness of our own being, ‘I am’, which underlies the feeling that we are thinking and knowing thoughts, and which is thus the ‘place’ or source from which our thinking mind arises. That is, whatever thought rises, we should remember, ‘I know this thought because I am’, and thereby we should turn our attention away from the thought towards our own essential consciousness of being – our real self-consciousness ‘I am’. When we thus turn our attention towards our consciousness of being, ‘I am’, our mind, which had risen to think thoughts, will begin to subside in our true self-conscious being, which is the source from which it has risen. If we are able to focus our attention wholly and exclusively upon our consciousness of being, our mind will subside completely into the innermost core of our being, and thus we will experience our own true being with absolutely unadulterated clarity of non-dual self- consciousness. When we once experience our true being with such perfect clarity, we will discover that we are the non-dual infinite spirit, and thus we will destroy for ever the illusion that we are a body, a mind or anything other than that spirit. When this illusion is thus destroyed, the dream of duality,which depends upon it, will also come to an end. -- Michael James Chapter 3 - The Nature of Our Mind Happiness of Being via Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK

@Mikael89 sorry if no cigar... this is just bubbling out of a deep experience i had yesterday i finally found myself in the pauses between the thoughts or no thoughts altogether but not only that, i remain during the thoughts as well you signature says, who or what is the see-er? the see-er IS and is seen by THAT and THAT is all there is

Yup. All of them. Including this. The seeing is getting stronger

Lose the " I " who seeks or searches or asks questions... Just watch it... Watch it until it disappears. Nonduality . . . the myth Apparently . . . Although there is no such thing as nonduality it seems that there are many different ideas about what it could be. Because the separate seeker experiences everything as a subject object reality it is inevitable that it will see nonduality as a something that can be personally attained and experienced. It will also be seen as a state of no-self that can be taught or energetically transferred. Attempts are made to use the idea of nonduality as a description of the unknown? It is often talked about as a something that needs to be integrated, nurtured and supported? There are even conferences held about its evolutionary development and its possible outcome in another something called the future? It is amazing how many different beliefs and theories can arise about nothing. The term nonduality is just that. It is a term similar to Advaita, and refers to the concept of “not two”. The idea of there being “not two” is attempting to define a mystery. The mystery cannot be named or known, of course, but there are certain descriptions which get somewhere near: the formless form, the relative absolute, the empty fullness or what is and is not, which all defy definition and make no sense. All of these ideas are immediately rejected by the separate seeker who is entirely invested in its own survival and seeks an answer that will satisfy its own experience of reality. Empty fullness cannot be taught or experienced, for how and where would it be found if it is already all there is? Where would there be a place to stand and know or be aware of nothing and everything? However, isn’t it wonderful that the dualistic confusion which surrounds something called nonduality is already empty fullness. -- Tony Parsons; February 2018

I recently just discovered THAT which is so simple and easily overlooked. Just being still and silent, i uncovered that very ordinary but peaceful experience called happiness which is normally masked with objects or goals. It's just the quietning of the mind which occurs and we think the object or our goal triggered it. So now, i ask this. During my meditation, i arrive at that peaceful, silent state and just be. I still have a sense of the body but no thoughts and i am peaceful. Now, do i just remain in this state everyday whenever i can / as much as i can and it will slowly deepen as i adjust to it? I have just found the ground zero But rest of the ego is still here... Just marination in silence now. Is that what i am to do?

@Serotoninluv yes. Stillness indeed. Is this ultimately the simple thing which is so obvious? As to what happiness is? That quite space of stillness? The one causing spontaneous laughter? But now that i know it. It's just a place to be in, to relax my mind. @winterknight advised to just remain in that state and rest shall follow @Inliytened1 yes brother. Self Inquiry based thoughts vs random other thoughts, any day But rather, staying in the quite state and watching is powerful also @Jack River yes. There's nothing which can be done and all questions are born from that state. And that for me has done it to an extent. I have had a peaceful mind all day today since that. Had a bit of laughter also I am the ocean, all as ONE When the fish jumps out of the water That's a thought, projection, desire or fear, it will give Peace when it returns back to water, that is, in the fulfillment of it which is projected... So, we are already in a state of peace as the ocean prior to the rising of the fear, desire, thought... That causes separation (if you're identifying with that thought that is)

Hi I was recently told by many on here as well as others i have talked to that i have amassed quite a bit of concepts in this search and what i need now is just observation, practices, direct experience, watching etc And i saw briefly but powerfully I saw and felt the power of silence! For i am.the silence! This was via a mild weed high to calm the thoights but it was so obvious, and so simple! What also kinda triggered it was the thought / question: what exactly is this SoonHei searching for?? What kind of experience or object.. what exactly is enlightenment Now for the how to proceed. I'd like to know if using guided meditation as aid is ok? Or is that my ego in a way trying to use a form of concepts which i feel like i love to listen to and learn about. Silent sitting meditation or guided meditation? Same thing? My main point is to avoid concepts and listening to satsangs on YouTube rupert, adyashanti, fred davis, mooji, leo etc. Also, for anyone Listening, another insight i had was The search/seeking IS THE SEPARATE SELF itself. It's not a process. It is wrong to say there is a separate self seeking. That's key... Or was for me Like during my sit in silence. I heard a scraping sound outside (maybe a racoon in my backyard as they often come) but i immediately noticed the ego trying to latch on it. Wanting to know what was it? Where did it come from? Always a question it puts which needs to be solved only to be set by up another question requiring solving... Movement away from the silence! Silence is what you are after. Silence is peace and happiness. We project a goal which gets in the way of this silence. Doesn't mean avoid all thoughts, otherwise how are you gonna function. Avoid all ego based thoughts. Stay in Yourself.

How so ? What u mean? Like having the inner and outer match? Hard to remain in the silence.?

@Jack River hmmm yes. Seeing the nature of thought trying to understand it self is seen... And yeah, i noticed that the deciding part of it is also present which it also isn't And yes. Motive effort time thought . Krazzy

had an insight i'd like to share. there is nobody on this side of the mirror... Who I normally think myself to be only exists IN the mirror. I have never seen myself. Only a false reflection.

Had a deep insight into exactly what "thoughts create your Reality!" means And wow. Had another one on top of it! Its not that thought creates Reality! They are one! Consider time as FRAMES on one frame both, thought and the "story" which you are creating around it are appearing and reflecting back as one! You are creating Reality with your ego! You are creating a certain story. Yes. All is watched by nobody / God all the time. But we are the knowledge of God being played out. Each one of our point of views! Is a knowing by God.

@Jed Vassallo i can tell you that's exactly false.

Btw General question, Who are enlightened . members on this forum. I ask because listening to their point of view as coming from the absolute and in the nowness helps me learn more. I know winterknight is one But not sure about any others? I know leo says he isn't Who else is? Mu? Nahm?

@Joseph Maynor yes! Indeed It's a different possibility within the absolute! Btw, how long has been since your enlightenment? I think u are yes? Sorry cant recall

@Viking i feel strongly that the realization IS the happening of unconditional love! They are one. The true total unconditional love is only in the same frame as of the realization as inner = outer

Dont think this is device specific @Leo Gura Just have been having it since Thursday. Better now.