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i will attempt to answer as I seem to be in a similar place the one who wants to kill the person is also the person - in other words, not me. i am just aware of this unfolding that I want to kill the doubter or try to stop the one thinking there is more to do and I am aware of it, prior to my writing/saying that I am aware of it. i am aware - always. silently so the identification flickers back n forth but the reminding thought which pops up soon after is that I AM THAT and this drops me back to the I AM and detachment occurs.

You are space, and now you appear to be the image superimposed on space. Now you identify with the image, but prior to consciousness you were not the space, really, nor the image? The reason I say you were not the space is because we can talk about it, so you have a concept of space, and again, as long as you have a concept of space, it's not that. The only way you can find out is by not saying anything, by catching yourself between thoughts. When you have a thought, and you're trying to figure out what it is, and when the thought stops, before your next thought enters, that's it. The space between thoughts is what we are talking about. So the thing to remember again is as long as you can talk about it, as long as you can describe it, as long as you can argue about it, as long as you stick up for your rights and say it's this or it's that, you're wrong. You're not really wrong, you're just on the wrong track, because if you were wrong, then something is right, and nothing is right, so there's nothing wrong. It goes beyond duality concepts. That's why I tell you to spend so much time alone, when you don't watch television, and you don't listen to the phone ring, where you can cut yourself off from the radio. Just sit and be your Self. Then you will experience pure being. For as long as you search, you'll never find it. After all, ask what you are searching for. You are searching for something that you already are. That's why you can never find it. If you were not that, then you would search, but you're already that, so searching becomes fruitless. And what is that? That is the space between your atoms. Every sentient and insentient thing is composed of trillions of atoms, but the space in between is consciousness. Again, we use the word consciousness for want of a better word. (tape break as Robert continues) But again, we have to function in the world, so we don't walk around trying to be smart. Instead what we do is function in the world as ourselves. Be your Self. If you are your Self, then you're safe. In other words, you're not trying to be anything. Just be your Self. What does it mean to be your Self? To live spontaneously. Most of us live from the past, as you know, and then we worry what we're going to do in the future. If you learn to forget about the past and the future, you're safe. When you live spontaneously you have no time to think, and that's when you become the witness. For thoughts are simply about the past and the future. True? When you learn to act in the moment, when you're acting in the moment you can't think because you're acting. Therefore, your thoughts are only on what you're doing and when that stops there are no thoughts, and you go on to the next thing. But you do not try to analyze the thing at all, whether everything will work out, whether it’s good or bad, whether you're making something out of it or not, whether it's in your favor or against you, all that's got to go. I received a call from a lady in Santa Cruse the other day and she started to tell me about her marital problems, so I stopped her. I told her I didn't want to hear anything about any marital problems. Does she know who she is? That's all I care about. If she knows who she is, then she goes beyond marital problems. She goes beyond concepts, longings, wants, desires. She'll be safe. For once you lift yourself up nothing can touch you again. The world no longer has any power over you. The world only has power over you when you identify yourself as a body. If you identify yourself as a body, then the world becomes real, objects become real, situations become real, the universe becomes real, God becomes real, everything becomes real and you live in duality. So one day you're suffering, the next day you're happy. Happiness leads to suffering, suffering leads to happiness. Of course, that's human happiness I'm talking about, human suffering. But as soon as you learn to go beyond that, and again that happens by living spontaneously, all suffering ceases. After all, for who is the suffering? For the one who identifies with the thoughts. {…} As an example, somebody gets fired from their job. They start to worry about that and this leads to worrying about the future, because when you worry about the past, getting fired, you're going to start worrying and thinking, "How will I pay my rent next month? How will I buy food?" And the mind loves that. It starts feeding you more. Pretty soon you imagine yourself evicted from your house and you see yourself in the welfare lines, and you see yourself become a homeless person, and sure enough you do, because that's what you believe. That's where your mind is leading you. As long as you feel you have a mind, it becomes very, very powerful. Then you can say that, "Thoughts are things," for your thoughts will materialize in this world of effects, that which you believe is real. Subsequently, if you start worrying about your job, being terminated, and you start worrying about food, and you start worrying about evictions and all that stuff, you're really saying to yourself mentally, "That's what I want to happen," and you always get what you want. You've got to watch yourself. The secret is not to change your thoughts, but to get rid of your thoughts completely. We're not trying to change negative thoughts to positive thoughts, for all positive thoughts lead to negative thoughts, negative thoughts lead to positive thoughts, that's duality. We're trying to transcend the whole bowl of wax, to go beyond, and that's what happens when you live spontaneously, it happens by itself. Living spontaneously is a meditation. Do not concern yourself with the fruits of your efforts. Everything will take care of yourself, of itself. In other words, what I mean by that is, if you're in a job for twenty-four years, do not concern yourself if you get terminated or you don't, that's not the point. The point is who do you think you are? Do you believe that you're that frail human being that has been terminated, or that frail person who has lots of marital problems, or that frail person who doesn't know if he's going to die or live? Forget about all these things, go beyond it. Identify with the absolute awareness. Identify with the total reality which you really are. You do not identify with those things by affirming them. You identify with those things by what? By silence. You see the difference? There are many schools that tell you, change the negative into a positive, but that's based on the world of relativity. You'll have to experience both, and there will be no end to it. But when there's silence in the mind, that means you get rid of all concepts, of all desires, of all needs, of all wants, of all hurts. You become oblivious to everything. Then the real Self begins to take over, which is you, and you'll automatically do, or gravitate to, the place where you have to be. It will all happen by itself, but don't think of that. Think of nothing. Learn how to quiet your mind. Learn how to make your mind quiescent like a motionless lake. A motionless lake can attract, or image, reflect, the sun, the stars, the moon, trees, grass. A lake that is noisy cannot reflect anything. So, when you learn to quiet your mind you reflect your Self, and your Self is always harmony, always bliss, always sat-chit-ananda, always the absolute reality, always absolute oneness. That's your real Self. That's who you really are. It's all up to you. What do you do with your life everyday? How do you live your life? This doesn't mean that you have to sit home and meditate all day long. It means you can go about your business. You can work. You cannot work. You can go to a movie. You can watch TV. You can do whatever you like, but never identify with the object! Never identify with what the body is doing. Let the body do whatever it came here to do, but you keep the mind and yourself on your heart, on the light, on consciousness. Quiet your mind any way you want, whatever method you use. Become the witness to your thoughts. Use atma-vichara, self-inquiry, whatever method you have to use, do it, but do it all day long, that's the secret. Not just when you come here, not just an hour a day, but all during the day. So how would you handle it if you go to your work and they terminate you? Instead of worrying, you would ask the question to yourself, "To whom is this happening? Who's going through this experience? I am." Hold onto the I with all your might. Follow the I to the source. Look at the I as a thread that seems to be connected from the source to what you're thinking about. And all of your thoughts are attached to the that thread, to the I thread. All of your fears, all of your frustrations, all of your desires, everything is attached to the I thread, and as you hold on to it tight; you follow it, follow it into the heart center. Then it will just seem to disappear. The reason I say it will seem to disappear is because it never existed to begin with, (laughs) so it appears to disappear. But once that happens you're free and you will not be disturbed by any mortal condition, and you will be happy. But when I say you'll be happy I am not referring to human happiness. I am referring to happy-happy, happy hour, really happy, for no reason. Again because your true nature is happiness, your true nature is bliss. When you get rid of the other stuff your true nature shines forth effortlessly. That's why we call this the pathless path, because there's really no path. There's only a quietness of the mind, following the I to the source. Then all of a sudden you become omnipresence, you become omniscience, you become omnipotence. Then you can say, "I am That I am," but there will be nobody left to say anything really. You will just bask in the sunshine of your love, of your happiness, of your bliss. {…} -- Robert Adams, T20: Before I Am

this comes out of what I thought before was me... it is still me, but it is not... at least not in this current moment as this is typed. there is a peace watching from this place, but there also still arises personal thoughts. the thing about personal thoughts is that they will continue to arises ever after but as one remains in that unknowing place, they will subside more and more. i knew not what would be typed when i created this thread and i know not how and when this post will end all i know is that which is typed as it is typed yet it is all being strung up together like poetry in motion no it does not rhyme it does not need to it just flows like water it spills and spread it springs out into the world from no where words are meaningless but they are also incredibly powerful once words are written, they remain and can function as seeds which can blossom into a great sense of awesome when given enough water in form of the right attention this watching places comes and goes - or so it appears to but i am enjoying this brief stay. i see also how the ego takes the ownership of the one watching from unknowing as well but then i see it is identification with this thought from the ego which thinks it is the one watching this can go on forever and it might as well but i will end this here - not knowing it was to end here.

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Saw on Facebook, has a few things in there which are nice Learn from dogs WHY DOGS LIVE LESS THAN HUMAN Here's the surprising answer of a 6 year old child. Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. The dog’s owners, Ron, his wife Lisa, and their little boy Shane, were all very attached to Belker, and they were hoping for a miracle. I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. I told the family we couldn’t do anything for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home. As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for six-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt as though Shane might learn something from the experience. The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belker‘s family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away. The little boy seemed to accept Belker’s transition without any difficulty or confusion. We sat together for a while after Belker’s Death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that dogs' lives are shorter than human lives. Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, ”I know why.” Startled, we all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned me. I’d never heard a more comforting explanation. It has changed the way I try and live. He said, ”People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life — like loving everybody all the time and being nice, right?” The six-year-old continued, ”Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they don’t have to stay for as long as we do.” Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Remember, if a dog was the teacher you would learn things like: • When your loved ones come home, always run to greet them. • Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride. • Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to be pure Ecstasy. • Take naps. • Stretch before rising. • Run, romp, and play daily. • Thrive on attention and let people touch you. • Avoid biting when a simple growl will do. • On warm days, stop to lie on your back on the grass. • On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady tree. • When you’re happy, dance around and wag your entire body. • Delight in the simple joy of a long walk. • Be faithful. • Never pretend to be something you’re not. • If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it. • When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by, and nuzzle them gently. That's the secret of happiness that we can learn from a good dog.

Before learning about spirituality or the path. Whatever your level of understanding and view of reality/world - It was known and seen. After learning about spirituality, the path, the teachings, various concepts - It was known and seen. Finding out you may be in an ego trap - It was known and seen. Shifting your focus from a practice you have adapted for a while and realizing a new-er better one or seeing the flaw in the previous - It was known and seen. Whatever your current POV, new learning, insight, presently is and will be - It was/is/will be known and seen. This knowing and seeing is not in time. It is always in the NOW. The ego/your life does not exist in the NOW. It exists in time. so when the true seeing happens, it will not be in time. YOU will exit the realm of space/time and realize YOU were always outside of space/time. only the ego mind lives in the space/time construct. it IS (co-exists within/as) the space/time construct... which is always KNOWN and SEEN by YOU. The No-Thing YOU. the identification from the ego mind, when seen, collapses from viewing and living in the wide range from past to now to future and slowly and ultimately zeroing in and staying in and as the NOW only. and in the now, you are NOTHING and everything - which is all in the NOW and IS the NOW the bottom image shows the collapse it may actually first highly identify and grow in the past/future as identification/depression happens and when that bursts outwards (ego death - eckhart style) it comes to the now... or it might collapse inwards (sadhguru style) and come to the now.

@Mu_ i did re-watch, with the grounding in having no expectation... "nothing magical" so to speak happened... i just was dropping whatever arose had a similar effect as in my meditation sits. it was kind of like instead of watching the thoughts which arise during meditation.. i was watching your words/sounds also. i have posted about this before. that observing sounds/words as a witness separate from them is more easily done vs observing my own thoughts so often, i find i have a quicker effect via listening to a guided aid for this reason. now, in writing of this, i became aware of the fact that though i maybe witnessing the sounds/words as a witness... that might be translating to my ego acting as a witness to the sounds/words... so, although it allows that detachment, the detachment from thoughts while sitting in silence is more powerful i suppose.

@cetus56 love that image also. being aware of being aware or being aware of awareness - all duality MUST and automatically collapses by default. in basic raw terms - one is always simply just aware of WHAT IS now one can create many distinctions and abstract from WHAT IS and try to define it... like taking a still picture and pointing to the various distinctions within it. but prior to that, there is just the picture AS ONE, with ALL already in it - ONE PICTURE the abstraction of that is also one this frame of stillness which holds picture after picture, all as a single undivided movement. confusion, ego, trying to get it - all are part of that whole but cloud it... the experience of an ego by default can only exist when there is duality i knowing this via mind is a good measure but direct seeing of this (which cannot be talked about) brings it home, truly. any day now...

@Aakash @Mu_ thank you yes. i get it. and you're right, i was probably more caught up in the instructions rather than what you were pointing to thanks again

@Mu_ could you explain this a bit I tried as you stated... That not to focus on the words... That way, i feel as if i am not even understanding what's being said The sound is heard but not registered... Like i wouldn't know what u said 5 seconds ago Is that the purpose? Or the idea behind this? This also stemming from most self realised beings... They don't seem to have a very good short term memory... About what was said or asked.. i guess that's because they are simply living in the now.. no memory being burdened on them? @Aakash is that how you did that as well? Just played the video and tune out of the sound? Kinda like how we may tune out noise while having a conversation with someone in a public setting / mall / food court etc. ?

Thanks! @Mu_ Will check it out

those who still rocking this world as ego consider all of your life you have lived up till now as following: the REAL you - pure awareness, which is outside of this universe has a Life Movie player. A CD was placed in this player and then pure awareness pressed play. we watch movies on TV, VR Headsets, 3D Movies... we read/hear stoires in form of audio books, regular books, spoken stories... this Life Movie player is another way of telling a story where does it play? within awareness itself! so when pure awareness, pressed PLAY on this Life Movie player... where did the movie start playing? YOU WHOLE LIFE AS YOU KNOW IT that is how and where it is being played as. this is how awareness watches and hears a story - AS YOU, AS ALL THIS. since you know yourself to have been born, and even prior to that. you're a life being played out just like a movie is downloaded and played! you are here for awareness's amusement! do as you have been designed to do! o wait, you're already doing that whether you know it or not and your knowing of this is also designed

Oink Oink Mate!

during self inquiry meditation, one thing which gives me a much needed shake up is the thought which comes to put me back on track if i am focusing on my breath and then after a minute or so find that i am now thinking about whatever story my mind is coming up with and have been dragged along for a ride- this noticing/police thought which catches me being off track and returns me back to the silence... this thought is also actually SEEN common error, and also made by me, till i saw this myself was identification with this police thought... that oh, I caught myself off-guard and am now resetting myself back on the goal but knowing that it is seen, that was pretty cool now that thought, which declares that the police thought is also seen, was also seen and so on, to infinity... until it collapses and ALL IS SEEN as it arises. and it's rather, the thought stream breaks and ends in this light of knowing awareness... as leo said in his video, "awareness alone is curative" and many teachers say that the illusion cannot lasts and melts away when the light of awareness is shone upon it.

i meant to say that instead of being stuck in my thoughts for a long time period before the police thought comes in to restore the order... the time spent stuck in traction of thoughts becomes less and less so i return and remain in the silence of the I AM longer - which is what i try to practice when i meditate these days. remaining in the I AM as much as possible... before a thought sweeps me off my feet of course

@Jack River hmmm i think i know what you maybe hinting at... that it's not the noticing of the thought which brought about the end the noticing is what looped that movement away, back into itself .. thus resolving the wave which had risen back into the ocean and silence remained... i guess i may have just removed 1 label and replaced it with another here but i think that's the mechanism which has taken place. and the frequency of this thought goes up, i return to the silence and seeing of the movement quicker and more frequently the time spent swimming in silence goes up

says the voice!

When the mind is weak and you seem to have a little control of your mind, you then can make the statement, "I am absolute reality." And when you make a statement like that at the time your mind is weak — but remember your mind has to be weak first — what absolute reality means will automatically come into your mind to take the place of your thoughts. So the picture will present itself to you, that you are like a screen in the movie and everything in the world are images superimposed on the screen. All this will come to you by itself. Can you see the difference? Do you know what I'm talking about? Most of us have been going around saying, "I am absolute awareness, I am emptiness, I am nothing, I am this and I am that." But when we get down to the nitty gritty, the first problem that confronts us, we become angry. So we're really not that at all and they're just dry words. But when you slow down the mind first, then a statement of truth will come to you automatically. And then you can make your confession, like I do every week. "I am not the body. I am not the doer. I am not the mind. I am not any condition. I am unconditioned pure awareness. I am absolute reality. I am ultimate oneness. I am that I am. I am Sat-chit-ananda." And it's not you making this confession. You're not doing it, it is your Self, that's making the confession. You do nothing, you've gotten yourself out of the way. {…} The point I'm trying to make is, don't allow your ego to make you think that you're something you're not. Your ego mind is very powerful. It'll fool you all of the time. Be careful, always watch it. So remember, you do not have to make statements of truth at all. Why? They will come by themselves. All you have to do is to concern yourselves with slowing down the mind. And how do you do this, either through self-inquiry, through observation, through mindfulness, through witnessing. Whatever way suits you. What happens when the mind slows down? Truth takes its place. When you hear the Buddhist term, empty mind, what that means is your mind is empty of all relative terms and relative livingness. But your mind is filled with the Buddha. Your mind is filled with reality. Your mind is filled with truth, all by itself. Now why does this happen? Because your reality is your real nature, that's what you really are. Therefore you do not have to do anything to make it happen. You just have to get your bloomin' nothingness out of the way. When you get yourself out of the way, reality shines forth and all the images come to you. You realize again you're like a gigantic screen. The screen is the entire universe and everything on the screen are superimposed images. They come and they go, they come and they go, they come and they go. But you understand that you are like the screen and you're also like the images. Only the images are not real. But the Self or the screen is real. {…} Then you can say, "All this is the Self and I am that!" For you realize what the Self means. But just to make empty word statements like that is absurd. It gets you nowhere. First you've got to slow down the mind and then everything will pop in by itself because everything is already there. Now you may say, "Well that's hard to do." If you think it's hard to do then you have to start from the beginning and say, "To whom is it hard? Who finds it hard? I do. What is this I?" And go right back to that again. "Where does the I come from? Where does the images come from? The images that I am sick. I am poor. I've got problems. Something is wrong." And the question as far as the world is concerned, "Why does God allow evil in the world?" is answered by itself. And the answer is simply this, "It's mass hypnosis. The world that you're talking about, does not exist," and the examples will come to you of their own accord. Like the sky is blue. The sky appears blue, but in reality there's no sky and there's no blue. There's only space and space is consciousness. And all the planets and all the stars and all the worlds and all the people and all the insects and everything that you can think of, they're all superimposed on the space. {…} And you can call space the screen of life and you are the space. You are not what appears to be. That's what it means when you say, "I am not the body." Because you are really space. How do you prove this? If you were the size of an atom, and you know how small an atom is, and you found yourself somewhere in your body. All of your cells would be equivalent to planets and you would see so much space between each cell. Equivalent to the space between all the planets and you would be in a completely different universe. You would have no body. That's why this universe is sometimes called "the body of God." It's all relative and the absolute is space, the body's relative. So you are the absolute. You are not the body you think you are. Just like the sky is not blue. Just like in the desert, when you see a mirage, you see water. But the closer you get, it turns into sand. It's a mirage. We look at each other and we see people here. But in truth I can tell you there are no others, there's only one and I-am that. Of course when I refer to I-am, I am not referring to Robert. I'm speaking of omnipresence. Every time I use the term I, I'm not referring to myself. I refer to omnipresence. Your true nature is omnipresence. Your body appears the way it appears because of relativity. But your body is formless space. Your body is emptiness. That's why you can truly say, "I am not the body." {…} But from now on you're not going to make that statement are you? What are you going to do? You're going to quiet the mind. And what will happen? When the mind is quiet everything will happen by itself. The truth will come out of you. You will not have to think about it. You will be aware of reality and you will find unalloyed happiness, great joy, a great peace, a great love and you will have a great compassion. And you will be kind to everything to insects, to animals, to humans, to minerals, everything is alive and you will have reverence for all things. This feeling will come of its own accord. If you try to put it on it won't last. That's why some of you always tell me, "Robert I feel great when I'm here at satsang, but as soon as I walk out the door, I feel bad again, why?" That's why, because you haven't developed a consciousness of the truth. When you develop a consciousness of the truth it can never leave you never. You do not go on and off like a light switch. Once you have a consciousness of the truth, you have it forever. And you have a feeling of immortality. You just know, you don't voice it, you just know, I was never born, I can never die and I do not persist while I'm alive. I am egoless, everything just happens. It comes through by itself. This is why I tell you so many times, not to read too much, Jay, not to read too much because when you read too many books on Buddhism and Daoism, on Ramana's books, on Nisargadatta and everybody else in the world, total confusion sets in. {…} Isn't it better just to sit still at home in the silence and stop the mind from thinking? That's the easiest way, it's the best way, it's the simplest way. If you don't believe me, try it. Try it for a week and see what happens. For one week I would like you to experiment. I don't want you to read any book. Think you can do it? Don't look at any spiritual literature. Just sit by yourself as much as you can. And watch your mind, watch your mind. Do whatever you have to do to slow down your mind and then you're going to be amazed. You will laugh at yourself. For when the mind becomes quiescent, reality will rush in. And you'll see it's so simple, it’s so simple. Why didn't I know this all the time? I used to believe by reading volume after volume I'll become enlightened. But it was so easy, I just had to quiet my mind. — Robert Adams, T19: Slow Down The Mind And Let Reality Rush In

God is not an experience. No experience as such is spiritual; all experiences are mind games. Beware of it. Whatsoever can be seen will be part of the illusory world. The seer is the truth, not the seen. You can see auras and you can see angels and you can see kundalini rising and you can see inner lights -- but they are all seen. They are not you. The seer is the witness, and only the witness is the truth. All else is a dream. And there are worldly dreams and there are other-worldly dreams; there are materialistic dreams and there are spiritualistic dreams. One thing has to be remembered always, that whatsoever is seen is worthless -- even if it is God. The God that is seen is worthless. When all experiences disappear and you are left utterly alone, nothing to see, only emptiness in the hands, no experience at all, then suddenly you realize yourself. Then you turn upon yourself, then you fall into your source. And that is not an experience, it is a realization. That is the difference between the words "experience" and "realization". It is not that you have seen something, experienced something. Now you know who you are. ? Osho via Sangha of Love

@ivankiss so in other words it's a collection of experiences All coming together as ONE experience happening to itself/no-one This also includes the experience of being a human being on quest to discover his/her true nature

@ivankiss when you say it "creates" It doesn't really like, sit there and go... "Hmm... This is what i will do... I will create it this way... So and so etc..." "In reality" this just all happens this way. The way it does... And this is just is trying to explain it in words / concept yes?

But it's not in the sense that each moment somewhere there is burst of small atoms ... It's the burst of this present moment, being born each second... Eternally NOW Something Arises from nothing

Reality is like a big bang happening each "second" / infitesmial moment

@Shin nice . That's epic

"What are you feeling? Try to let go of all your emotions, your preconceived ideas, all of your dogmatic beliefs—about your body or about others. Allow your mind to remain empty. Feel that I am it, pure awareness. I have always been it. There never was a time when I was not it. The appearance of the body cannot fool me any longer. The world and all it’s manifestations cannot fool me any longer. The universe with it’s planets, and galaxies, and solar systems cannot fool me any longer. I can see through these things to the source. I can feel the source because I am the source. I have always been the source. There never was a time when I was not." ~ Robert Adams (20th century American Advaita mystic)