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sorry to re-kindle this topic. but one thing i want to sort of clear out for my own understanding is this. Tom campbell seems to suggest that the "larger consiouness system" aka god/the absolute is not and cannot be INFINTE he said nothing can really be INFINTE - it can be very very VERY big that it seems INFINITE to us... but it cannot be INFINTE... i understand where he's coming from with his math/physics background... infinity really just is a concept... until it isn't and that's where we have reality... am i right to think that tom campbell, even though he suggests to be open-minded to understand his studies, isn't open-minded enough himself yet to be able to appriciate and say that this is infinty here and now? he also seems to suggest (unless he's talking about our current life / maya ) that there's this purpose of growing/lowering entropy of the universe by loving each other etc... is this another "trap" on the path to enligtenment that he's fallen on ? and another thing, he also says the system is not and cannot be "perfect" but in all of our teachings from spirtuality / leo / so many others. it's always zaid God/Absolute/Oneness is infinte and perfect, total, complete is he once again stuck in a belief talking about our world of form, in that when given meaning, we would call things imperfect when in reality it is all complete and perfect as it is appearing? thank you.

LOL EPIC and muh-fukkin Osho <3 enlightened King!

@InfinitePotential @cetus56 @Leo Gura thank you guys Will check it out. Much Love

just curious... when watching content by mooji and adya, i agree with you 100%. one can see that those two really truly get it. deeply what about rupert spira? i rank him there highly... just wondering why you dont think he meets the calibur of mooji/adyashanti @Joseph Maynor

@Nahm woahhhh LOL i guess you can end all that you wrote there with a #NuffSaid But thank you. i see what you're saying (I hope - well, it does make sense, so i'm sure i'm seeing it the way you'd hoped i would *assumption* ) question everything indeed. yeah, all is assumption really when you fully break it down and think about it i will re-read this with some cosmic boosters in my system later. but thank you one again

Referencing Leo's Infinite Intelligence video. Think of a computer software - call it The Earth, Open World. What this app/program does is it displays a virtual 3D earth. Let's say you start off in the middle of a forest when the program runs at time = 0 Now as time progresses, the changes occur as they would in the natural real world, animals move about, weather, day/night occur so on. The infinite intelligence would be as you scroll around and move your mouse, you can zoom in or zoom out and the program must be written in such a way that as you do so, it displays what would exist in the real world. e.g. as you zoom in into a tree trunk, you see the smaller and smaller parts of the tree bark, the animals or bacteria that would exist on each of those levels, as you zoom in further, you see the hair on the legs of that insect/bacteria, you zoom in further, and you see more information which makes up the hair on the leg of that bacteria which lives in the tree bark and so on. down to atoms/quarks and even more stuff that isn't yet name but exists finitely deeper and you may even find a human or another sort of life as u keep zooming in . endless infinite possibilities all as smaller building blocks of layers above and all in harmony and connected with infinite elegant intelligent structure - reality. so it is all logically showing the building blocks zoomed-in and zoomed-out that is what nature/real life is - we take it for granted that all of it, exists, as it does. but that's the infinite consciousnesses, creating it all such that it makes sense showing building blocks of life up and down the zoom-scale of reality not only that, it connects and links it all with the added dimension of time. as you wind the clocks back/forth you can see how a change caused by one thing leads to another. so all of this is being done by the infinite consciousness - it is not a material construction. it is all consciousness , infinite consciousness creating as the looker goes deeper and deeper within reality "everywhere you look, you will find more of me" - consciousness

my understanding is this way there are, at every moment, an infinite # of POINT OF VIEWS available from which the ONE consciousness views the reality the scenario which you are talking about then is very simply two of the infinite possibilities that can be. call whatever YOU are right at this moment CON(you) so when your body dies and you had known that you are not your body, then the CON(you) might be seen from the point of merging back with everything to the mind which has yet not seen or known about the fact that we are not the body, that person's CON(you) may remain with the now-dead-still body and still go thru and experience the "pain" of deterioration or the sheer terror of knowing that I AM NOW DEAD BUT I CANNOT MOVE AND WTF IS GOING ON etc so all Point of Views are available each time, its just whatever you currently witness / are tuned into is what your CON(you) sees and it is usually inline with your expectations and beliefs.

i presume you have had this "moment of realization" which cannot be talked about or anything be said about it other than pointers to it. I ask you this question: @Nahm so after having had this moment of realization, when your ego returns back to your body... does the ego-mind know what occurred just before it returned back to the body? even though it cannot be talked about to others... does the body-mind which experieinces this know about it after? is it a deeper feeling or a memory of that moment which one can recall and thereby know the Truth even though they have had a glimpse and now returned from it?

Hmmm. I'd agree with you on that one. I'd say Leo is deeper actually in some sense. But they are both approaching it in a unique way vs the common other ones like mooji, Sadhguru, Rupert Spira etc.

Hmmmm wow Thank you Thus the end of seeking

Adya describing his enlightenment experience: i was listening to his clip today and he was saying that one day he sat down to meditate (after having pursued enlightenment etc for many years at this point) it was a deep session. nothing that he hadn't worked thru before and then he said all of a sudden, there was this big moment of disappointment, of the impossibility, the fact that he will never get IT, it was utter defeat... i cant remember how long he said that he remained in this state but he says that soon after this defeat realization happened, a shift happened and it was instant enlightenment. i want to know what it is these people are doing at that point and what was he seeking for... like would this have been the 1st time he had enlightenment / awakening? or he had had many experiences before and then because their ego keeps coming back, they are in search for how to rid of it completely? and this is how it happens for all these teachers? like what are these "moments of enlightenment" - to me, i thought it was a "path" and not 1 glimpse changes it all. do these enlightened beings have repeated glimpses and the more and more they have it, they then have a single profound one which ends the seek altogether 99% permanently? same question i suppose regarding mooji, ruper spira's enlightenment...

yuppers. but i take we are all one as the painting-canvas, which is what we are, and ON which, all that is, including each of us who we are one with, appears

two views science tells us everything attracts everything no matter how "far" away... your pubes are having a gravitational pull on the sun for example to me, this is just the connected structure of reality... size matters... the large the object relative to something else, the large it's pull of gravity (maybe call it Love) love is all, afterall the other view from the belief point of view and I think also partially what @tsuki was saying as well is this. it is our belief from the experience in our "current view" of the global consciousness in which you lift an object up from the floor, let go, and it drops vs staying at the height or float about... the way consciousness works (think law of attraction) is the degree / level of your belief determines the outcome... it's more of an expectation we can all agree that if any of us stands in the middle of the road and there's an long-haul truck travelling towards us head-on at 100km/h, you'll die upon impact. would you call that a belief? or would you call that a fact? upon analyzing, you will find that facts are belief actualized... or one can say, facts is when your level of belief in something or a process becomes 100% (beyond a shred of doubt) now this is hard to imagine, but it IS the case, for someone, somehow, if they stumble upon this and have experiential understanding of it, he/she would be able to stand in-front of that truck and not die / absorb the impact or end up giving rise to a certain process yet unknown by science... to the general naked eye, it will look like "miracle" that's exactly what it is. now someone may say Jesus did the miracles was a "symbolic" thing and it wasn't "real" Jesus's knowledge of how this all works was such that "YOU WILL BE DONE" instant manifestation... etc and this thing snow-balls really someone asking for something or trying to manifest it. and then ends up getting it. it strengths their belief in that, which then allows them to do this process again with greater success and then it snowballs down from there also note, what exactly is the "death" of physical body.. in the 1800s a body would be pronounced dead past a certain level of sickness or w/ever... vs now we have technology which can resuscitate a patient using various tech / keep alive on ventilators etc the structure of reality and the possibilities are infinite. the processes can be actualized by will. there will have occurred some process (explainable by science yet unknown) which allows for that "miracle" to occur there are also cases where someone in a danger situation was able to muster superhuman strength for example by pushing a boulder which momentarily crashed on him and he was able to push it off.. weighed like 1-2 tonnes or something.. anyhow.. BLESS UP

LOLOL it's so funny and yeah, I agree. Leo gone be makin that big mOOlah

LOL come on Leo is far from that. I see Leo as the WAKE UP CALL. He says so himself, CUT OUT THE BULLSHIT. Leo is the slap on the face we all need sometime to INSTANTLY SNAP OUT OF IT... Whatever the IT we are stuck in at that moment in time. With the 5-MeO push and even phsydellics in general - again, it's the same approch, only that you're getting slapped into (or out of) your sense by the drug. in a non-duality way, you may say it was Leo who slapped you into senses, because IT IS ALL ONE You are Leo! Effin shit, I am Leo too! Bless Up <3

+1 @Leo Gura

thank you. god bless

i dont think i did this. could you describe the mechanism of this... sorry, i dont know if this is a silly question thanks in advance and what do you mean by this? like hold my breath for 2-4 seconds after darkness? i just want to know how long do i hold my breath for? or i can dream 'normally' once in the darkness state? @MrDmitriiV

@MrDmitriiV hey i just tried this. during my lunch break at work lol i was in our meditation room which we have at work. so it was a quite place. did the technique as you said it. felt maybe a tinest bit of lightness when the did the 10th breath step.. but no blackness came upon me... does one have to do this a few times to maybe get it right? or maybe i messed up on something? how important is the duration of the breaths... down to the T to be exact for this to work? asking as i want to attempt again and want it to work. thnx and about this. so let's say it starts coming over me at the 10th second mark of me holding my breath. do i continue to hold the breath at this point or can i start slowly breathing out?

hmmmm does it have any insights or any other profound realizations with it also? or is it just the state of that blackness and witnessing it briefly?

@Feel Good thanks ::)

@Feel Good i know the experiences are ineffable... but do attempt to describe yours and how it came about. thanks how you felt after - was it scary? the integration process after etc...

You think that was YOU who made the"choice" about whether to click this Topic or not? Silly. It's just silly Bless up <3

consiouness creates reality... when you observe it, you collapse the wave function down to the the 1 of the two slits it will go thru without any interference pattern. the act of observing collapses it. and when we are not observing which slit it goes in from, it acts as a wave creating the interference pattern - showing all probabilities that could exist... also. our expectation about how objects/particles should behave is also part of it. when viewing the single particle, we expect it to act like a solid ball and that's what it does.

watching the breath means what exactly? being aware/consciousness of it? counting the breath (1 on the intake, 2 on the outblow, 3 on the intake... so on) thank you