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@Jack River @Nahm One day I shall join you two and us three shall become one. ^ an enlightened being would have a field day with how much wrong I am saying there

i am in your same spot so i am not talking from experieince at all here lol BUT i do believe that yes, at the end of it, once you get it all figurered out = lasting enlightmeent state and your seeking has ended then yes, at that point, one can say IT IS WORTH IT it is the journey which is difficult. no matter how difficult and mind fucking and life destorying it might be... one can only say it was worth it once the "destination" is reached. but yeah, you already knew that . it is well worth it the real question however is this. are you prepared for the journey? if the step to get there was just simply pressing the button with no "negative consequences" then you would have done it easily but its the journey you and I know which is the difficult part. the view from the top of the mount Everest is worth it. the feeling of having scaled it and all. but the path is dangerous AF

<3 <3 bless up @Greatnestwithin thank you

wow. got it @Greatnestwithin and no you understood my question correctly. i cannot imagine what that might feel like i suppose that since it is felt, it is still thought/resistance which is surfacing and that is what is witnessed... witnessed to be that existential terror so once this is accepted, the ego dies and as you said <3 wow thank you also. side note somehow, just the "beingness" or what I am seeing thru my eyes and just that without words, sounds, thoughts is becoming more and more clearer to me but i cannot help but to be is utter deep awe when i know that i am not even at the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg's tip since my meditation is not even regular yet and i just half-ass attempt the meditations that I do, do. end up sleeping mostly but wow. thank you.

this here is what I need to do further then. Thank you @SOUL

@Jack River yes, i have seen their posts. quite in depth and they have a different spin on their approach vs the other common themes i have seen. i guess i'll give Tolle a little bit of listen and then weigh the understandings later. thank you.

@Greatnestwithin what exactly does that mean? just being terrified of that current state in which you are in. just being terrified to exist or be experiencing whatever is the content of the experiencing in that moment? a terror that just IS ?

Yes, I am. I am aware of my own awareness. I am aware that I exist. What next? and yes, the issue here very likely is this: the infinite is a challenge for finite mind to grasp. But any pointing is appreciated @SOUL

@Nahm Hmm... do all thoughts not occur in the NOW aka direct experience? I guess you're talking about thoughts just being thoughts and not actualized reality that currently is present.

yes. will be meditating on this thought now till I see thru my question somehow and where I am going wrong I think maybe this question itself will disappear once it is understood there is no I here doing the questioning... but I just don't see it yet hmmm so it seems that since all is One. it can just be layers of the one object... the enlightened human self level maybe a subset of God, the super-set, who ultimately watches all i think maybe i kinda understood something in writing that above.. doesnt matter which step on the ladder one views from, there is ultimately ONE at the top of the ladder... maybe it is seen beyond doubt that THE ONE on-top of the ladder cannot be TOPPED and there is no concept of META-to-IT at that level of looking from the TOP-of the TOp thank you <3 now, universe, let me feel the answer @Nahm @tentacion

why is it often said that seeing God is terrifying? until it isn't anymore... (upon surrender?) but yeah, what sort of terror is it? like afraid of the dark/demon/ghost terror or just a whole different plane of terror which is ineffable... but still, what is the terror component to it? i guess terror = fear = resistance? is it just a very high degree of resistance previously unfaced. a massive huge almost infinite level of resistance that comes about?

@Rilles oh, no, no. i meant it in this way. that God/Allah being the supreme consciousness which sees all. that is the master of all the "I" so when jesus/muhammad/buddah etc all went deep inside and found nothingness . that was the essence of their own respective souls and then from those states when we ask the question who watches THAT - we can say, the One who watches THAT is META-to-THAT , therefore, we cannot confirm it. as we cannot confirm it, is it not just a belief that the ultimate see-er is what we are deep down? the ultimate see-er which One, who becomes enlightened, looks from... how can the ASSUMPTION be made that is the ultimate see-er not seen by anyone else META-to-IT ? what if that ultimate see-er META-to-IT is what GOD is?

@Rilles Allah/God is seeing thru Allah's eyes ? i don't know... i'm trying to understand this gap/bridge too. i was clear about this understanding until his question nudged me off track lol it's like let's say in a prison cell, inmates are watched by the security guard... and you're asking who is seeing thru the security guard's eyes... and the answer is security guard lol so again, the question being... is it not a belief that what we are deep down cannot be seen/watched... ? because is it not just a belief that there is nothing meta to IT which can watch IT?

@dorg wow very elegant. thank you!

@Dash Us Pain lol was so happy when i found this in my own research and said finally i can tell them and explain using the science but boy was I wrong about what their Egos would drop on me and themselves from keeping them locked into their current paradigm #TheEgoKnows! LOL @lmfao yes. this here is what grounds me lol and also, i make reference to this point here too. that i know where you're coming from as i was in that place also and yes, i guess you're right... the best you and I can do is to point them to the path... point them to what will point them to what points to the Truth, as direct pointing to the Truth can be quite challenging for someone who all this is new to i like the points about introducing meditation which sneaks in the concepts thru the backdoor (upon them practicing meditation for a while that is) thank you

woah. indeed. time. we ARE TIME! we, the illusory self = time

thank you @Nahm The power of attention... THE POWER OF NOW <3

@Nahm do explain. breathing from stomach? like breathing deeply throughout the day?

@cetus56 you got all referential arts/pics/gifs ready to go eh

good thing i got some content from yesterday to bump this thing with during my high and mini-contemplation which followed, i discovered yesterday that each minor variations of our states are nothing but thought states even me - myself, what I think I am. the common notion of the "I" we think each of us are is just the THOUGHT OF IT i noticed this as i was staring in the mirror and i realized that i often do different voices/pranks in public.. like if i am at a drive-thru ordering something or jusst random person in the mall, asking a question, for shits/giggles. i just do an accept, different voice or whatever ( i know, lame, and pointless - but isn't eveything pointless ) so anyways. this was just so clear to me and then i thought, while i had this quick realization, that what exactly am I. like the default me... that's just the state/thoughts that i carry with me for the majority of the time, nothing more. its just collection of memory of thoughts which define the what the common notion of each of us is so during this, i felt and saw and understood that the "gap" between the thoughts is what I just am. i had a step-above realization to my previous, ever-changing notion/understanding of our eternal nature . it is the GAP of just BLANKNESS between each thoughts but normally. that GAP is overlooked either because we cannot stay in that NOWNESS very long before our thoughts come in i also think after a certain degree of understanding, it is better (or at least was yesterday) to have eyes open and just look into the blankness of your room while "focusing" on this thought i can tell if that sight of my room coupled with an end of the thought stream - i would just BE and that would have given me that glimpse... but i couldnt get my thought stream to end ... however the realiazation of what I think I am was very clear and understood to be just thoughts after thoughts and memory of thoughts all appearing in the NOW

How's sex on MDMA?

lol this was the case in many situations lol agreed. lead by example. have them approach you and ask you HOW!? i'm on the fence on this one yes. i can see that it does not matter. but a nudge of advice to others here n there to assist doesn't hurt @Privet yes i agree. and that's what i also felt as i wrote my topic post. the information just falls on deaf ears if they aren't ready to listen or grasp what is being said. i feel a good ol Leo video can do the trick but then again maybe i watch it from a place of understanding and thats why it clicks for me and rest of us vs the untrained mind might not get anything at all lol or might dismiss it all calling good ol' Leo bonkers as well

hmmmmm i just find it all so different than the regular stuff that whatever i may start off with will be faced with resistance lol

i think a lot of it might have to do with just the acceptance of the fact that YOU cannot change the way another's mind functions. trying to change it and failing can cause suffering so by skipping this step. you can just accept their suffering? and be there for when they need you to be or if they ask, then give the advise..