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@K VIL awaiting answer

it cannot be the I because in that state, the I is "seen" to be an idea which is dissolved at that point whatever it is, which remains, during awakening (i guess the "impersonal awareness" ), whatever the "experience" which is occurring during awakening is also then watched. whatever the insights which come about during awakening are also watched/known/observed since the " I " is dead / gone / non-existent during awakening... then whatever, which remains after the death of " I ", that watches (is aware of) the awakening, is THAT not itself watched by a higher self? so the personal ego I is replaced by something else which is associated with... but that in turn is watched also... is a further awakening or going-meta to this state required to be present from the place where watching is taking place but not in turn being watched by anything?

agreed but i mean the purpose of the questions which the guru is asking the seeker... what is the guru hoping for the seeker to find out? - that she/he is not the body? (many already know and have experienced this) - or to have another awakening? - or to have a deeper understanding and see thru and somehow end their seeking?

wow about this. i have told myself this that i think i feel asleep (during meditations) but it did not feel like the deep-sleep type of sleep. it was different in a very subtle but noticeable way unsure if i got that level. for my, i may actually have been asleep lol (i am a beginner in this process thats why) but when i read what you wrote here. it clicked for me that i may have had this too. gonna try and again "notice" more deeply this time

@Preetom the full description of that book metaphor also incorporated the AUTHOR an author of the book knows the entire story, past, present, future etc GOD is the AUTHOR of reality... knowing the "past" present/NOW and "future" the readers of this infinte book of reality is the role each of us is playing right now... each of us being our ego-selfs which experience time but yeah, i liked this anoalogy of how and why God/Absolute does not know time - just knows all but reality is a lot more layers than this i am afraid. as the reader is the author is the book is the content is all of it oh yes! and it was done so. beautifully also. i like tom campbell's way of explaining it using a video game too wherein he says think of each of us as the character in a video game, say world of warcraft. the character in the video game cannot ever turn around and look outside of the monitor/screen and see the human player . just like that the consiouness which is the driving force in each of us does not exist in this world which we are in, but is the video game player which exists meta-to our world and once again, reality is a lot more than that cuz meta and our world are all blended in and are one

@Toby so whatever the view, it is all ultimately one... and wow, the consciousness and awareness distinction as you put it is nice. first time i have seen it described as such (might have missed it before in videos i have seen) so with this: "What is self" (self = consciousness, no-self = awareness) can the "path" or the steps "taken" be shown as: death of ego / I thought >>> transcending consciousness >>> "arriving" at awareness highest/ultimate place of being, which is often described as unknowable, is then the awareness ? (per the path shown above) ^^

this here shows me you deeply understand whatever it is you're describing here i am also understanding what you're talking about .. i like thinking the entire book being the whole and the single page one reads as the current experience occurring.

@cetus56 with what you have posted, this is how i feel it answers my above-quoted querry... THAT is not watched by a higher self... but THAT is watched by itself - self-aware pure consciousness is what remains when the "ego/I" is dissolved

lol @Feel Good dunno... i was just talking about the fact that THE MIND cannot understand it. as Leo/all else say. because mind is finite . and absolute is infinite

@Nahm The ego/I . this is what is being referred in the post also - isn't what I really am deep down, the absolute, the being-level me the me which is the only me in existence - can't that refer to itself as " I " ? i guess the issue with this question here might be that at the highest level of being / the absolute level / the absolute does not talk about or refer to itself it just exists, simply is. not doing anything. anywho, please guide more on the original question... thanks

there's only so much intellectual/conceptual understanding one can have the real fact is that the mind CANNOT grasp or understand this fully. you have to still the mind and what remains is what recognizes and understands this all

@The Don see also

what you believe will become your reality but if you believe with the intent of it working, it wont it has to be deep and authentic and without a doubt just like you know if u jump infront of a truck going at 100mph, u gone be roadkill. that level of belief.

Unsure if my ego has fallen to Leo... But i don't think this is a trap lol Often I come on the forum , go to Leo's profile n view his last recent posts Reading those alone, whatever they maybe in response to, make it worthwhile coming online. Keep it going Leo!

I guess it just points to that deepest realm which even witnesses the one that is aware or simply , it witnesses even awareness It just is. Blank . Point. Zero. Just . Is. And from it, all else rises, including first of, the awareness

@Martin123 osho used to mash hard no?

LOL

Watched Leo's life's a dream video Have a question. So it seems that while we are dreaming, that dream in itself is as real as our normal waking state. But is our waking state not in a way a different kind of reality as we keep returning to it...? Or that's how the experience seems to flow... But we keep returning to our "same" waking state reality and dream a random dream every night. Also, when one has a lucid dream, is that comparable to awakening in the real world? From that dream reality perspective, the one lucid dream moment ( I was 10ish) I had, I still remember it because it became as "real" or high definition as our waking reality when I became lucid in it. Anyhow, I recall upon discovering in the dream that HOLY SHIT, THIS IS A DREAM it was pretty 'liberating" . Not that I was having a bad dream but all of a sudden I did a bunch of shit any thing I thought of would happen.. only lasted like 6-8 seconds maybe lol and then I woke up The realization that I am dreaming was quite WTF moment and cool but I still had a sense of I. I chose to fly ... I didn't see flight happen or oneness... So I guess awakening in our waking dream reality must be much more crazy as the sense of I would be also seen to have been an illusion.

Love it

This right here and manily your Threads Title is the issue What can "I" do to remove the ego? That's you saying "what can I do to remove myself? What can I do to remove I? You see the problem

they stole it from The Akashic Records

"If you are looking for your True Self it can be only where you are. The play of the seeker is like looking for the Darkness with a Lamp." - Mauro Bergonzi

@Aaron p i wish it was as easy as switching off the lamp sure, when the lamp is out, the darkness is revealed but "switching the lamp off" would be an action an action or a doing will not accomplish the goal. any action or movement gives fuel to the Lamp to keep it lit. what is required, instead, is a "non-action" / "non-doing" which is not an "easy task" it's the "relaxation of a doing". the doing you/I are doing right now, which is mind chatter/labelling. we tell ourselves, oh, let's put the lamp out and then we will find what we are seeking. then we start looking at ways to turn the lamp of (which in turn is keeping it lit and adding more fuel to it) this needs to be overcome somehow

@MiracleMan yes. agreed. the utter simplicity of this is what makes it so hard to grasp i like how rupert spira puts it. he says that our attention on object in a doing the seeker asks "how to" get enlightenment... how to do it... the thing is that enlightenment is not something which one gets by doing... it's rather, an un-doing which reveals the Truth the undoing is a relaxation of the attention rupert says imagine that the state you currently are in is that of a clenched fist. clenching is an effort. you have to "let go" or relax the hand for it to open, you have to stop the muslces from clenching it. when you are "stopping" that's not an effort or a doing. it's the unplugging of the flow of the effort so both you and I get this now. if only you and I can get "there"

@cetus56 wow that was a good one This Hide and Seek is a tricky bidness indeed!