SoonHei

Wow That was great!

Yup. I find keeping a mix of both would be the best way Goal is to live a better life as body-mind-ego And then live as a self realized being

sure back to the grind then

by seen i mean recognized/understood so then it seems even talking about it after " I " (the reality - oneness beaming thru the SoonHei body-mind) has recognized the illusion would instantly give birth to the ego again? then the age old quote needs a tiny adjustment before enlightenment = chop wood carry water after enlightenment = STFU and DONT MOVE! (or you'll lose 'IT' ) lol ? but yes, I see what all y'all be pointing to... it's so crazy it's like a movie being projected onto a wall and in the movie, there is a guy in the same room which has the wall where the movie is being projected. and that guy has a sledgehammer and is swinging in the the air repeatedly and then when that movie is being played on the wall, its like the guy swinging the sledgehammer is trying to break the wall on which the movie is being projected

@Faceless yes. i do see that... hmm, I guess i am asking for a way... but the way is: no-way any doing negates the understanding ; it just needs to be deeply seen - without an action, thought, or a process bringing about that deep seeing. would that be correct?

@Faceless how to "unescape" the fact then? if i "tell myself" that what-is, is okay and " I " accept it. then that is yet again a movement of acceptance which is perpetuating the self? how to accept the fact as is without "accepting" it how to "deeply" know/accept it without causing "perpetuation of the false-self"

truth is that it is both flat, round, square, anything else it will change based on your POV truth is relative it is all relative @MM1988

love it <3

you can have an infinite causal chain as you keep zooming into these cells/chemicals and all... take that in for a second, infinite - never ending a is made up of b b is made up of c c is made up of d ... x is made up of y y is made up of z z is made up of a1 a1 is made up of b1 ... x767613 is made up of y767613 y767613 is made up of z767613 z767613 is made up of a767614 ... to INFINITY & BEYOND! so yeah... sure... all these unnamed "sub-atomic" particles "exist" Anywhere you look, I AM Reality will intelligently "construct" itself (It will Become) as you explore it deeper and deeper or higher and higher without bound or end. #InfiniteIntelligence #II @Mikael89

Add Bruce Lee there too Also take in the fact that an enlightened person can excel to the highest (with no limit) level in a particular field with the best possible ways/options So Bruce Lee was the universe fighting as that body/mind to a certain degree. Cant beat the Universe in a MMA fight

so if one fails to recognize their true nature they are reborn as another human? or anything else but whatever they are reborn as it will be in a duality reality. and does that mean once "one" gets enlightened in whichever lifetime of "their's" then they still maybe reborn but it will be as non-dual rebirths for eternity... is that what heaven is? being born as some form in reality but living as the pure witness for eternity ? @tsuki

I usually do some of my meditations during my lunch hour Usually I do them in a quite room which is used for normal american-style yoga but it's vacant during lunch hour. so i go there and do my thing. decided to do meditation in the noise and crowd of the food court - I work in an office which is in a mall. i chose a spot in a corner from which I could look out straight and not be worried about anyone looking at me staring blankly forward so i did this - it just felt so different, i am not sure if it was the fact that I was sitting awfully still in a public place and all else was moving around me vs normally sitting in an empty room staring at a wall or closing eyes so i had this instant realization that all is happening on it's own accord. All, being the people sounds sights in-front of me i then had a thought where i asked myself - am I doing anything to cause these people in-front of me to move, talk, walk, eat etc? or is it all just happening on it's own accord? what is my experience of this? sure my understanding of reality tells me that there is "life"/"soul" in each of these bodies which is moving them, making them talk/walk etc... but in my experience, i witness it all happening... am I doing anything to cause it to happen or am i just still and observing it all? so what i realized was that just as" I " do NOT have to do ANYTHING AT ALL to make all that which appears in my experience happen (birds fly, cars move, people walk/talk, sounds) - similarly " I " do NOT have to do ANYTHING AT ALL to make what I call "my body/me" move, talk, eat, think, observe, feel, taste I witness all of that, including the little section of my experience linked with "me" here the difference between my experience and me - the separation was seen to be very clear - in contrast with all else i was looking at in the food court " I " just wrongly associate myself to be this body+thoughts whereas I am ALL OF MY EXPERIENCE as ONE There is no FREE WILL - all that happens, just happens with the illusion of choice limited to that which I have wrongly identified as ME

Experience of Enlightenment = spontaneously "going" to the "place of watching" which exists completely "outside" of the entirety of "your" experience. it is often said, whatever you may think of is not it but metaphors CAN capture the mechanism so to speak. here it is: it can be equated to realizing that you were watching a VR HEADSET video and went so deeply into the experience that you forgot that you're outside of the video experience. important thing to note, the "video" being watched in that VR HEADSET in the case of reality is = THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING THE "I" THOUGHT, FEELINGS, SENSATION, AUDIO+VISUAL

what is horrifying? to the ego I presume? that " i " don't exist? that's what horrifying just want to understand what is meant by "absolute infinity is true" - that the universe is infinite ? and that's horrifying? ??

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She had a near death experience. Was an atheist After a accident/surgery she "died" and came into heaven Was shown that she chose her life at earth Felt warm, welcomed, loved, and it was an experience she never had before During the accident, she had what she calls non dual consciousness where she saw thru her eyes laying pinned beneath the car and also from 70 feet distance from a 3rd person view she describes as "watching fighting for her life" Anyhow, she wrote a book and seems to be doing well She doesn't seem enlightened as in having realized no-self but is living what seems like an ego-enlightened life I feel in this way, one does then tresend to "heaven" as they saw during their near death experience after their natural physical death. And that can be their eternal life in "heaven" as the construct of this post-death reality would abide by rules since it would be powered by the "person's" deeply expected+believed concepts and expectations of what an eternal life in heaven is per common religious teachings.

agreed. @Recursoinominado unsure if i would call it the best - we all have our own definition of best just like movies but yes, it was filled with great deep truth bombs as you put it. amazing insights into the nature of love finally understood what is being said about evil/murder being infinte love... it's just love, deep love for the own self which in turn causes "hate" or rather lack of love for what ego identifies as non-self

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@Mikael89 yes, i hear you lol this statement of 'mine' ( I hear you ) is full of corruption isn't it? i haven't dived deep enough as yet - you're way ahead of me but i know that the resistance you're facing shall pass and resistance and this feeling shitty/negative means "you" are onto something so keep "pushing" thru this and you'll level up

This is likely what's preventing "you" from being enlightened... "Who" wants to get enlightened??? The `I' needs to vanish if "you" wish for that to happen

explain ? how so? so dark side of meditation will result if it is being done "incorrectly" only? otherwise it wont happen? i know it's not a 100% that it will. but you seem to indicate that it can be avoided and is not random... do share.@Gabriel Antonio

hmmm same thing i guess as when ppl who go to the next realm/breakthrough experience come back. they have got unfinished life here they want to complete. it may seem hellish while living it here on earth. but in the beyond they are "reminded" somehow that they agreed to live it and go thru it this exact way etc etc or in other words, they see that it's all a dream and are equipped with "cheat codes" so to speak which allows them to return and live a much better life than they had been living @Mikael89

Wow this was amazing! Thank you To @ULFBERHT and whoever else may read this. Got a question which pops up about embodying this... About this... What if I want to travel the world and not worry about money? That's something which could be stopping me "right now" from doing it... Need to pay bills, etc... Sounds like living in the present to be super happy may be done by not having any desires... Then one can just be happy in the moment cuz nothing to do and rest comes from the understanding of this threads topic... Guess direct understanding of it will take care of the "financial" aspect of this issue...

@Baotrader you're correct. Keep exploring, the understanding only goes deeper and then you become directly aware of the fact that there's no limit to it... It's a bottomless pit. Infinite.

Hypnogogic jerks are also known as sleep starts or hypnic jerks. They’re strong, sudden, and brief contractions of the body that occur just as you’re falling asleep. If you’ve ever been drifting off to sleep but suddenly wake with a jolt and a jerk of the body, you’ve experienced a hypnogogic jerk. I didn't know this Hypnic Jerk term prior to thinking about making this thread. Did a google search of what happened to me and this is what I got. I have experienced this before too, not just when meditating, but during school/class when boring and I am day-dreaming or falling asleep. So just today, during my meditation sit with eyes closed I guess I was getting sleepy and ready to fall asleep when this happened. Now each time this has happened to me, it's been the same experience. A very short+quick moment of blackness followed by that jolt which wakes/jerks you up. The time it takes is almost in an instant, almost like any deep-sleep state where no-matter if you slept for 5 mins or 5 hours, it feels the same - timeless. I was thinking that as I am trying to get the no-self experience during meditation, this happens... maybe it is at this point where I am about to get a glimpse but am unable to stay "conscious" through that process? One of the things, which is remarkably notable in that almost non-existent tiny moment of blackness is the deep relaxation/bliss which is felt. I would describe that brief relaxed moment as those mini sleeps we all get when we snooze our alarms. they pass by as if it took 0 seconds but they are so good. I could snooze all day on my day off just to enjoy those mini wake-ups and sleeps. so yeah, could this be just me dozing off to sleep and getting this state or could me wanting to get a no-self experience by clearing my mind have something to do with this... but as I am new to this, I am unable to sustain the experience?