SoonHei

osho says in one of his videos i watched that he has been absolutely NOTHING for 30 years (at that point in time of the video when it was recorded) he said once he had full ego-death. he had been with the body. always wondered how he can possibly still be attached in the most subtlest of ways but he says that his meditation is absolutely not disturbed - i love how he says i could be talking, walking, swiming or doing whatever else and in the deep background from where he is, there is not even a ripple IN him... explains the lack of blinking if you ask me he just observes/watches all of his experience since he had his full complete awakening is that the state in how all these awakened "gurus" live? sadhguru, adyashanti, ruper spira, mooji etc ? as they all also had complete ego death i thought fragments of ego come/go even at these states but from what osho said, once it is full complete awakening... you never fall back asleep so to speak so meaning that 100% of your experience is then seen as choiceless/ no-free-will happening infront of your "eyes" and you "live" out your life with 0% doership is that so?

better yet think about your body you blood cells, your heart, liver, stomach - all hard at work, constantly to make and maintain this body all are intelligent parts which make you they are not unconscious - their functions/what they are is infinite intelligence at work

@Shadowraix very nicely put +1

@Violinpracticerdude this is a huge concession to the reality of it all... but think of it this way there is an infinite skyscraper with windows looking out of each floor there is only one occupant: consciousness: infinite consciousness it looks out of each of these windows - simultaneously! this is one of the windows out of which infinite consciousness is "looking out" from

@Toby

that's the whole point of the illusion It means that it functions as if it were REAL but it is actually not. that's all what's being said there. that "nothing is TRULY REAL" example. you dream that you're being chased by a killer you run for your life ... etc etc... feel as if you're gonna die.. then you wake up then you tell yourself it was all a dream! or in other words, IT WAS NOT REAL! yet - why were you acting and living as if it was REAL in your dream? there ya go the actuality of this illusion is being pointed to : nothing is real but yes, it is an apparent illusory world which FEELS REAL AS FUCK @Violinpracticerdude

+1 @Violinpracticerdude if it is in your head - does that mean it is not real? what is real or unreal? here's how it happens... to someone who is seeing a demon dance infront of them or torture them... it is as real as your current state of experience it say you and another 2 people are in the same room while this person is having this "episode/attack" you 3 do not see this demon that this poor guy is screaming to get away from... and you conclude, us 3 cannot see it, it is not real that's it what you fail to realize that experience / reality is subjective! take optical illusions for example, a viral one a few years ago. the dress. there were people who saw one color, some saw the other, some could alternate between which color they saw so what was the REAL COLOR ? the answer is, all of them are real to the one looking at them. just because majority agrees to a certain view does not make that REAL it makes it A REAL EXPERIENCE TO THAT MAJORITY that's all there is. the absolute reality can be left out of this discussion for now click the link "TRUTH" in my signature to see what is TRUE/REAL and how it all works

Gonna do something for Leo when I pick up my lotto check next week

i suppose the underlying fact here is that "knowing that there is no self" does not help... you must have experiential experience of it otherwise the suffering that arises, you would automatically associate with it. without leaving any room or space to be able to see thru it and thus end the suffering.. also vipassana meditation means mindfullness meditation? and how does it bring about insights? thus far i have done do-nothing, and self inquiry during meditation i have learned and heard that best way is to approach the meditation/method which show that there is no self thus that's what i am pursing first... and maybe the vipassana mediation and others later... unless there are fruits to be had while its on the same path do advise @Matt8800

@Jack River wow thank you. that's an interesting spin to it. or maybe i am seeing it in a new light thank you

but WHO develops that - after freedom is it not seen there wasn't anyone there to "develop" a skill? i suppose it can be said that the new place of watching in which you are grounded experiences development happening for the body/vessel . but it is not a personal development. it is just development for nobody being initiated and taught to that particular now "empty" body.

@i am I AM every since my spiritual path. i actually haven't had very many i want to have those moments as I have heard that deja vu really is a recognition - it's briefest of the glimpses. that's why that experience is just so familiar and different than everyday experience... alas, no big deja vu thus far since this understanding... also yes. i strongly believe and understands this deeply that upon any deep breakthrough in a trip. you return back reborn in a grown up body which can easily understand and integrate the deep insights . it REALLY is being reborn into the world we are all "reborn" like this as a baby, but since the baby has no understanding of the world, it is discovering that state as new and is conditioned from there when you have this "rebirth" in a grown up body - then you understand deeply a certain facet of the Truth and that's common with so many people after ayshcucsa trip, LSD/DMT trips where they had breakthrough they are shown the truth and are reborn as an adult instead of a birth as a baby where only the ego-mind is the driver

wow ^^^ amazing good post @Shin

@Leo Gura Absolutely! That's the whole point. Not only can you, but you must if you want to realize your full potential. hmmm - a quick thought here... so if development from a place of 100 % abidance in non-dual existence is possible.. as you say, Not only can you, but you must... WHO is the one that does the development in Sahaja Samadhi state? it happens on its own accord? following the path of least resistance to what-is and working from there? the development at that time is out of the ego-self's hand as there is no ego-self left at that time. and it is just the absolute working 100% thru that "now empty" (which was always empty) body-vessel ?

wow beautiful as always @Nahm and the Rumi quote too <3 as it is infinite intelligence it very intelligently "creates" your current experience respective 100% of all your vibrations/feelings in the present NOW wishing for something in the future which is supposed to give a happy feeling while being as you wait for it will create more of rather than DEMAND YOUR HAPPINESS AND BECOME IT NOW - leave the rest to your HIGHER SELF / SUB CONSCIOUS AND IT WILL MANIFEST

There is ONE Consciousness which is "seeing thru" the eyes out of an enlightened human being - it will have access to knowledge/information which that particular human being had and will play out and live its life according to its root teachings example, Tom Campbell is an awakened computer scientist/physicists and for him, the same structure of existence is a large computer simulation which is running Osho lived out in his own way sadhguru in his own way .. etc etc and giving out knowledge and teachings in his own cultural style - though he does try to be and is quite global in his approach is there a single consciousness mind which is ALL KNOWING of these infinite experiences SIMULTANEOUSLY ? for example, say if Jesus was enlightened, he certainly saw that ALL is ONE and he IS PART of that. HE IS THAT yet. seeing out the limited window from Jesus's life he did not know about the fact that there exists life in the other part of the yet undiscovered north america and say anything about that etc. but that one single consciousness who is the CONCURRENT AND SIMULTANEOUS know-er of all that exists is THE FULL ABSOLUTE ONE CONSCIOUSNESS i believe that the one who awakens does know and realize that it is all ONE and he is one part of the window of this infinite building and the "eyes" which see out of not one, but all infinite windows of experience at the same time is WHAT GOD IS WE ARE BUT A FRAGMENT OF THAT - even as a fully realized awakened being the awakened are having GOD AWARENESS of the experience in which they were born as in form now the fact that if they zone out of the form world and can go deeper and deeper into the absolute might allow for THE FULL INFINITE God level consciousness but the awakened master when in form and living as such like a guru or whatever is much lower than the full god level consciousness i guess thats what the ever never ending deepening of understanding refers to for a fully enlightened master

@Shin you can formulate a quote out of that yourself what exactly qualifies something as a quote? has to come from an enlightened-ed being or a well known person? live by your own quotes/beliefs! <3 and sorry. dont know that direct quote you're referring to.

@Arthur wow thanks for sharing The Life happening is the NOW is a very good insight. It's so deep when it happens in that moment I've had those moments but yes, the ego does crawl back in. It's amazing though.

@Shin yes they are talking about the YOU - the only REAL YOU DEEP DOWN is what is 100% complete and fulfilled. but tell that to someone suffering on the streets as a homeless person - it does not make sense. for that homeless person is living out of his ego / associating with his body+mind while the association of the body+mind happens - unconditional happiness cannot be realized. once again, to make it simple, it is indeed all about happiness and fulfillment - but a direct way of grasping what is being said is 100% Acceptance of What-IS

@Shin no. dont think so. i think that is the place from where they are speaking from. from their perspective it is all love/unconditional love (directly translated to complete acceptance of what IS - 100%)

@Mafortu indeed <3 and if you've got an open enough mind then these are all also equally beautiful: war, torture, rape, murder etc... and of course, it is the case when the point of view is that of the TRUTH the one getting raped or tortured would very strongly disagree with you and I here, and rightly so

@MM1988 in my case and manifestations I didn't read the LOA that everyone reads .. the "how-to" aspect of it per-say for me, it was looking back and seeing that so much in my life i had attracted and done that way by truly desiring it and wanting it so maybe that's why it is easy for me to see the mechanisms of it. i don't know what the "by the book" version of the LOA says. very key point to note is this. LOA is working in the background AT ALL TIMES - that's what gets overlooked often. it's not like you go into a LOA mode by thinking about it... what you get in your life is what you attract / are at the deep subconscious level.

@MM1988 i suppose you could yes. but what's essential is your belief in it for the one believing that LOA will not work or does not work. It will never work. you see how this goes?

@MM1988 yes you are right what you also have to understand is the "probability" in my case. it was my aunt. i was an 8 year old boy. so manifesting a random meeting where she happened to stop by for something in my city the day after i had said my final good-bye before leaving the country wasn't so difficult with a little bit of wanting but in your case, you broke up with someone wanting them back for weeks sure, no matter how strongly was not fruitful maybe because the probability of that happening was very very low? for example, there is a non-zero chance for anything occurring in the next moment say manifesting a goddamn goat in your room by thinking about it so hard - chances maybe 0.00000000000000000000001% for example... you wishing and desiring it would need to be 10000000000000000x more to cause it to happen vs manifesting and hoping to do good in an interview you have prepped well for and get the job for which the probability might be 60-70% p.s. throwing random percentages here to illustrate the point. but that is how it works.

@MM1988 you have to think/feel/be simultaneously how that would feel like and then your reality will shift into that happening the desire has to be so strong that it cannot be extinguished as a birthday candle it has to be an inferno the intensity of your WANT is what will cause it to happen for you here's my little episode which happened - looking back, I now realize it was LOA - me being a kid might have also helped since as a kid, it's so much more simpler to wish up and get something but even so, i did wish quite deeply. also. the way it happened was this: i did not wish for the end result to occur. i just wanted/deeply loved the end result itself. not wishing or wanting it to happen. TLDR of the thread below is that i manifested a meeting with someone I deeply loved after saying a good-bye which would have been for like 2years+ my longing for not being able to see this person again and my love for that person alone just brought upon a random/ unscheduled / full on by chance meeting with that person once more before I left the country LOA is there. your mechanism for it wasn't "done" correctly.