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@seeking_brilliance i have only indirectly understood the "can't really be explained or put into words" via metaphors. for example, in any movie or video game, the character that is being played isn't real. there is an actor playing the character... for example, Tom Cruise playing Ethan Hunt... It's like Ethan Hunt wanting to know or see how he does not exist... Ethan Hunt does not have any existence outside of the play/story of Mission Impossible... Ethan Hunt (ego) is wanting to know or find out that he is portrayed by Tom Cruise... do you kinda see why/how that works? The moment Ethan Hunt finds out he's a portrayal... he seizes to exist... you see? because Tom Cruise is the TRUTH. only he exists... he can take on many characters Hunt, Maverick etc... about where and how thoughts work and how they arise from... i am just gonna tell you what i have been told/read ... they arise out of nothingness they simple appear. it all happens in an apparent orderly manner which is sequential... but it's really just that... an apparent order. lastly... why does @seeking_brilliance have different thoughts from @SoonHei i guess you can also ask why is @seeking_brilliance seeing something and @SoonHei seeing something else or hearing, or smelling etc thoughts are exactly identical fundamentally to sights, sounds, taste, smell etc you dont control how or what you see, hear, taste, smell... same thing with thoughts and most of all. if you say, well, it seems like i control it... that's just it. it is an apparent control. you cannot argue that it seems like it, because that's the whole point of the illusion. it works like its real when it isn't you gotta shift your perception just like you do with any visual optical illusion

@seeking_brilliance its all relative... From the point of view of the Truth: All is meaningless, all just occurs From the point of view of the ego: The ego is asking the question... Who am I? Ego is an apparent identity which is created... But again, relatively speaking, ego seeimgly asks the question But in truth. Nobody asks the question. Kinda confusing. I hope I have it pinned down myself lol.

I have a question I had brief moments yesterday of what I'd like to call "no mind" It was simply being as it's often said Beautiful it was Any effort to try to explain it or think about it shook me out of it... I remember a video of Osho in which during his interview he says that "my meditation is not disturbed" even by talking, walking, showering etc... He is fully deeply in that state. Of course that requires a lot of disassoation and dropping of the ego fully. I guess being able to stay in the watchful state and even meta-observe your thoughts is most difficult. My simple question for the time being is this During that state of watchfulness / no mind. I can remain / rest as awareness ... No concerns there. But when I want to read something, a book, an article or a post on the forum... then I don't know if that is me again have thoughts in mind as I read... How do we read in our head. Is that giving birth to the voice in the head?? I can't just stare at the words and read . I have to "read" them in my head... The state of no-mind seems to slip away from me in the act of reading something... Because to me that seems like the voice in my head is active again... Watching a video is ok because I just hear the sound... But the tiniest of effort is needed to read and that to me seems to bring me out of the no-mind state

gonna step in-between you big guns here and ask my little question aside... @Serotoninluv Very very few seekers will continue past this point. To become everything, one must become everything - including love and terror. those very few seekers you speak of, they are the enlightened among us right? like sadhguru, mooji, osho etc.. ? or are they also not fully there you mean? as you said some high spiritual masters get caught in this trap to an extent. There are spiritual masters that believe in spiritual ideas and concepts. is this what you meant? and if so, then any examples/names come to mind about who has done that? david hawkins? eckhart tolle? jesus? Mohammed?

@How to be wise the Work being those 4 questions only?? You just ask those questions throughout the day? How exactly do you apply that method.?

@Jack River @DrewNows thank you I guess the "way" (no-way) to do this is also very subtly creep back into awareness as the mind chatter continues... Just like I was able to do so on some level for the body/senses. @Serotoninluv thanks . Disassociation is in the works

Woah Had an insight as I read this What if my life was exactly the same as it is, but without the voice in my head / thoughts All that my life would have consisted of would be: Seeing, hearing, sensing, tasting, smelling (note, talking and actions would happen of my body but no thoughts/voice in the head) Then I would just be simply observing! I understand how or what it means that there is no "I" there When the mind / thoughts die, what remains is the SELF . Wow.

Here's an example below: Here's a great example of the application of the principal of believing in your thoughts and just that alone being able to do the job. This guy and many (in fact all) successful people are applying and apply this principle in some compacitiy whether they know it or not but their belief in themselves or their thoughts about it alone leads them to succeed and win! The truth works whether you know it or not Just like gravity works whether you understand the maths behind it or not

@PsiloPutty hmmm And being with the breath Implies/does what really?? I presume... it Helps you stay in present and silent the mind a lot more? Keeps you in the watchful state?

@Hellspeed Following breath during everything means being aware of it? Like when you are walking or eating, you defocus from walking/eating/content and say mentally breath in / breath out with each in / out breath?

From what I have heard it's instant Why... Because it isn't a process. It's an understanding It's something which clicks The implications of the understanding may roll in gradually But seeing thru of the illusion is binary On or off It's seeing that the snake was always a stick The seeing of it happens instantly... How would it occur gradually? You see?

@Baotrader Sure. It is predermined and that also implies you've got no free will But in this case, very important to note the YOU refers to the ultimate and the ONLY you which isn't the ego (as Baotrader, you have free will) it's more so... "Apparent" free will... But as Awareness... It all is pre determined and you do not have free will I'm short. Get to work. Go beyond concepts and become awareness by killing and seeing thru your ego

Nope. It is EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE, ETERNALLY. Not only earth. The entire universe... UNIVERSES

And this is why it's often said that it cannot be put into words or understood with the mind. Also, I do get what you're trying to say. I also had this idea... That is just a set of all possible sets, randomized so to speak... And they all just are So where exactly is the intelligence... But it's there... Just need to go deeper than the words and concepts

Sure that's one way to put it. Another would be a first person movie happening... Also, you as the ultimate see-er/watcher do not have sex or eat... YOU just watch/are aware that "first person" eating and sex is happening and it brings about overwhelming love and pleasure What you can come to know that the overwhelming love and pleasure simply means full acceptance of the present moment... And that it is not limited to sex/food for example for the character ... That's for the character only... You as awareness can be in full acceptance of the present moment irrespective of its contents whether it is having sex or watching cars go by or the death of a loved one... Content itself becomes meaningless and the video game/movie is seen literally as pixels And there is no distance from where you as awareness watches all this... In that, you are the pixels/content itself

From Leo's latest video.. Does coming to compete self realization / full enlightenment (like mooji/osho/sadhguru/Buddah etc ) end your infinite movie watching/living cycle??? End In a sense that , "they" will always be watching experience as the witness (even if there is more reincarnation after the death of their physical body) And Will A natural death at the end of your life, without realizing the Truth, keep you in the loop of reincarnation? Is enlightenment the complete way out, permanently? Or it's just something which one needs to do in each reincarnation I guess it's paradoxical question I'm asking as there is only ONE But the ONE living as Mooji right now, has that particular ONE freed itself from the loop to now merge with God n enjoy the movie eternally?

Yes! That's why. Full impeterable complete total absolute peace is what God/awareness is. Nothing is everything. Free from it AND also is IT

@Nahm just want to say this video overall was amazing. The costume was the cherry on top. But amazing video. 10/10

@hikmatshiraliyev sure. They are "your parts" but they are not you Just like a tree. A car, a house, other animals etc, You also observe your mind, body, Ego So are the animals, car, tree not your part ?

@Shin yes. I get that But isn't the whole new video all about conceptsland ??? Yes, I do the work part of this to become more aware and all But just trying to understand what was said in the video itself, Ergo it is also important to try to understand the concepts in the video he talks about

I suppose you are trying to get me to wake up with those shake up answers there... But leo did say what the enlightened masters aren't telling you what this whole non-duality means... That "I" will live as Leo, Hitler, Jesus, a raped victim, a black slave so on... Does that mean "I" after the ending of my current experience will live one of these lives? But isn't for example, Leo already living the Leo life? And oneness is already experiencing that? Does oneness experience itself as Leo or whoever else. Multiple/infinite times? Via a different section of its infinite Oneness? Or does it mean to simply REALIZE DEEPLY that what I am deep down (awareness) IS ALREADY EXPERICING all of that and because that awareness is no different than the awareness EXPERICING me... It's all already the case? I guess the jump one needs to make is that what I think we may end up doing after the new video is expecting a first person Experience of living out lives as others but Infact it is already that way I'm just Manning the life of SoonHei You the life of Nahm And so on But what does the Manning? What takes the wheel of control That is ONLY ONE AND THAT IS ME I hope it's this case... That's why also in Islam we are reminded to say alhamdulillah (thank you Allah) for everything we are greatful for . That thank you for incarnation as an able bodied person, living in good times etc etc

Hey I got some questions about this video... So the fact that it's all happening simultaneously means God as oneness is experiencing/Is all of it . So supposing after I die in my current ego's life then I'll be watching/living another new life from the infinite film reel as leo puts it...? Or am I already doing that? Or have done it? It's Just that I'm locked into my current version ego because this is God knowing the experience of SoonHei ... Main thought: Is it that unless One has a realization via enlightenment / awakening in their living life - he / she / that soul will continue the reincarnation cycle? @Leo Gura

@DMM710 not this particular one... but just losing focus from not watching the breath... end up day dreaming or something else also. to help explain how "not controlling" or "not trying" works - it needs to work in the same way as you let go and not control trying to make yourself fall asleep. you just lay there and know you are going to / want to sleep and just drift/melt into it... gotta do the equivalent of that during this process & also making sure to remain consciousness and not fall asleep

@seeking_brilliance its amazing reading and then imagining seaarios like this - as all is possible even this would be true in a parallel world . Epic I mean saying that there are infinite possibilities is epic but then actually really grasping what that implies is mind boggling

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