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the witness or consciousness or the awareness you guys have. You guys may think it only exists in the back of the head looking at all the thoughts and imaginations in you. Maybe it can see all the emotions too. Don't delude yourself. The consciousness and awareness is not only in the back of the head. Consciousness and awareness can only come about when you have retrieved the darkness which is your past, thoughts, past emotions, emotions, and trauma. So, it is better not to even think about consciousness. Don't get any ideas about consciousness. Just STOP THINKING OR READING OR STUDYING WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS. THE MORE YOU READ AND THINK ABOUT IT, THE MORE IMAGINATIONS AND THOUGHTS WILL CLOUD THE REAL CONSCIOUSNESS. IF YOU SEE CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU WILL KNOW IT IS CONSCIOUSNESS. I don't want to talk about what real consciousness is because it will delude you more. You will only imagine about it unless you really have it. Better to just stop studying this shit. Don't study. I would advise just be loving to the next door neighbor. Be a nice guy. Cook food for your girlfriend. Work on your passions. And ... just think what it means to love a person. Just really think deeply what love is. And try to act out that love. That should be the only concern, I think.

@dharm4 yeah definitely. Leo approaches Truth through mind, not heart. It's his way of doing things. Krishnamurti was the same too. Don't put the responsibility or the authority to anybody. We are solely responsible. Unless, you have someone physically trying to harm you for not doing what they tell you to, you have no excuses. Nada. None. Done

@Tim Ho Apparently today, I have learned knowledge is also very important in avoiding suicide.

@Spiritzz pretty good point

@Spiritzz Hi spiritzz. Please formulate a better logical argument, if you are to criticize someone.

@Leo Gura I don't assume I can push forever. For fucks sake no. That would be another ego trip altogether. I remember thinking that enlightenment will make me push this pain until forever. Not necessarily true. Having such thoughts only breeds more ego and more delusions of what enlightenment is and in the end more mental illness and then more physical pain. You still feel physical pain if people hit you with a bat after you have attained wisdom. You don't become superman. Taking care of the mind is the same with taking care of the body. The source of my physical ailment was indeed, mind. I changed my inner self. But it took a year for my body to adjust even when my mind became a little healthier. Anyways, I think it helps when one has a mind of challenge against suicide and self destruction. Not to become jaded. One needs a sort of tough love to get over it because that was how I overcame my physical ailment and therefore, my depression. Huh, but this is just my experience. I cannot say the same with a person in a wheelchair, or a person who has parkinson's disease.

Very concise but authentic in the way he explains it with no BS. A famous cambridge neuro scientist, I'm not good at the subject, but I think he gives some good insights.

@kai0 in case of the 12 year old child, still, the child is responsible, but the parents have a huge responsibility too.

I had a physical aillness, in which I made me want to kill myself because no doctor knew how to cure it. I had it for 4 years. Those 4 years were the most grueling periods of my life and I thought I would have it my whole life. Everyday was a panic attack. I know what it feels like to want to kill yourself. Imagine having a physical ailment that you are in excruciating pain where you cannot socialize to anybody during such pains and the doctor tells you he doesn't know how to cure it. Fortunately, I had cured it by myself, for some good reason I cannot tell you right now because it will take a few pages. Certainly telling people who are like that to fuck off isn't the right choice, but also telling them that it is okay to kill themselves doesn't help either. Idk myself how to solve this question, because I don't know what I would do now if I were to experience the pain again. It's a hard question indeed.

if you know this.... I don't know. Many people's accounts of the same experience is different. When a police detective consults a few different people to give them their experience with an incident, there is an 90% chance they are all different. They are not lying (at least most of them). It's just our senses are flawed. What our direct experience of reality is mostly sensual. Seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling physically, tasting. And our thoughts reflect exactly these five senses. We can only think about what we saw - imagination. We can remember the smell of the christmas dinners our grandmother has cooked for us. You are not there, but you can still smell it even after your grandmother has died. You can still feel the time your brother has hugged you when you were a child even when it has been 5 years it had happened. Lastly, you can also remember the time when the girl has rejected you in high school, and you were thinking how you can hurt her for rejecting you. You can remember clearly not only of how beautiful she looked, but also what you were feeling emotionally and thinking. Yes, you can think about the thoughts you had in the past. It does not limit to just the senses you have but to the thoughts you have, so we could say our direct experience can stem upto seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling, tasting, and thinking. This holds true also with the things you are currently seeing now. You are reading my post on your computer screen. You are feeling the computer keyboard on your hands ready to reply. You can also feel the thoughts that are in your head. Maybe you are confused, maybe you agree. Do you think the computer screen you are seeing, the feeling of your keyboard are different from what you will see in your memories a few days after? Both are of the mind. Whether you are currently feeling the keyboard or you are feeling the keyboard as a memory tomorrow. Right now, it's the same with this. Read carefully. When you are stabbed in the stomach with a knife in your dreams, you feel it, no? When you have sex in your dreams, you feel it no? There is no difference between that and when you actually have sex with your girl. No difference whatsoever. You both feel it. It's the mind. Your brain is sending signals that it is being stabbed. Your brain is sending signals that it is making love to a girl. Direct experience can only be limited to sensuality and thought. In other words, direct experience can only be a dream. Therefore, you hear many mystics like Krishnamurti and OSHO say Truth cannot be experienced. You know why? Because Truth cannot be seen with the eye, heard with the ear, smelled with the nose, tasted through the tongue, felt with the hand, or even thought of with imagination or words. (Of course, Truth can be seen, tasted, smelled, or heard but what I emphasize here is that it cannot be experienced with our senses or thoughts) So... yes, it can be experienced, but it can only be experienced through Truth, not our bodies, our senses. Have you heard of "the observer is the observed." This means... Truth has seen the truth. the Consciousness has seen itself. God has seen itself. Your true self has seen itself. the Universe has seen the Universe. Because the universe only exists as the universe. There is no other thing, there is no other dimension. There are not mutliple universes like Brian Greene proposes. It's just one Universe that is infinite. An infinite amount of sand boxes within a sand box. That is the universe. How can Truth experience? Do you think the universe is dead? No, thought is dead, your memories are dead, it is not alive. What only is alive is the universe. The universe is consciousness and energy, energy and light. And that light sees the light. The consciousness sees the light. In fact, no other experience exists other than that. Your sensual experiences do not exist. Only when God experiences God.... that is the only experience that truly exists. Good luck sir and I hope you get to where you want to in life.

You say you know he's not airy fairy. You say he was quite realistic, which means that you know what it means to not be airy fairy and realistic. I don't quite get how these two quotes show that you are airy fairy or realistic and how they convey that the deceased man was not airy fairy either. Stop with these dimensions, different POVs, and dimensional Earth nonsense. I can't believe people get into these things and start harming themselves for these falsities. Truth is simple. These complex thoughts are just being a fog to what is actual. Nothing that comes out of a cunning mind can help you realize what is true. I feel so angry thinking about this. Why hurt yourself for these false stupidities! If you want to realize truth then consider your neighbors. Think about the mother who is suffering because of she does not feel loved. Cook food for your girlfriend boyfriend! Give your friends a compliment! Hug your father. Become silent in the mind. Play an instrument. Work hard at what you love. How can these talks of dimensions, spirituality, religion, and psychedelics and such ever help anybody become enlightened? It hurts.

We fear death so much because we love it so much also.

@SpiritualAwakening I have got this inspiration from Chuang Tzu. Chuang Tzu's wife left early and he was crying for a few seconds. But after that he was found contradicting the formal rites of the funeral and was dancing and singing with his instrument. His friend asked him why he was doing that. Chuang Tzu answered, "I was sad at first of course, but I suddenly recognized my wife has died peacefully in her own course. She did not die prematurely. To be sad and cry at something what is natural is needlessly inflicting harm on oneself. So I decided to laugh and dance! Being sad in this funeral is utter stupidity! Let us not condemn nature by being sad of death, which is what happens naturally to all of existence." Since then, only his friend stood by him dancing and singing in the funeral, and everybody left thinking Chuang Tzu was a maniac. Living the natural way isn't such a popular thing amongst people. People glorify what is unnatural. It is famous that confucianists hated Chuang Tzu for not following the formal rites of his wife's funeral because they were bound by systematic formalism. They criticized Chuang Tzu for being unmannerly to his wife and despising her. They got it all wrong. Out of all the attenders in the funeral, Chuang Tzu was the most compassionate, most loving towards his wife. Most people are mannerly and civilized, but not loving or natural

@Leo Gura it is not natural to kill one's body nor is it natural to die prematurely. I do not approve of it whether you like it or not. Remember, existence is a natural phenomenon. And nature is not masochistic. Nature does not condone suicide that easily. There is a natural way and there is an unnatural way. And I swear these people in spirituality who are being masochistic to awaken are the most dangerous people. Speaking of the mahatmas, christian monks, and buddhist saints... etc. And especially what has plagued the world are those people who infect others with such presuppositions about Nature. And people cheer on them, unfortunately, so they are easy to propagate. People love masochistic people, because if they see anyone taking care of themselves in a loving way, they feel jealous. I am sure Nature despises such things, to say the least.

It's definitely advisable to write a compassionate note to Soon Hei. But using that compassion to attack a person. That is what has already happened here, and I do not like it. I do not think that is really compassion to Soon Hei nor the person who does such things. Just be loving to Soon Hei and be cool about it. And on that note, I send my regards to Soon Hei. I don't know why exactly he did it. I am hoping that it wasn't just because he wanted to advance his spirituality with this pursuit.Either way, I hope he truly finds the thing he is looking for even after what has been already been done. Maybe his next life? Idk. I just hope that the energy he has carried until his death has carried over to his afterlife. I hope... Good luck

Anyways, anyone blaming Actualized.org for his death must be absurd. I already can feel the energy of this forum people trying to pull that shit off saying it is somewhat Leo's responsibility. Compassion to the man who is deceased but I don't condone any of his actions and it is an undeniable fact that suicide is not necessarily the wisest choice, and that is a fact! But at the same time, out of anyone here, I am of the opinion, it is completely one's choice to commit such acts and no one should or should not tell him what to do and control him, indefinitely! I still, will tell him and others, do not feel bad or be angry just because someone has trodden the road of his own, in which in this case, suicide. I don't blame him for committing suicide. I will help him get there and be with him in that lonely road. Any of you blaming others for his suicide and encouraging him and saying his choice is something to be completely accepted and never to be challenged upon is tredding on a path of nihilism: I can be sure. To tell another person one should be indefinitely be in agreement to one's path is the most arrogant thing and this sort of force over power only breeds more nihilism and hatred. This sort of attitude only demonstrates how much you don't accept other's going on their own path, and you just want everyone to agree with your own. This includes our friend who has just died! I can already feel the energy gliding towards this path, and it is dangerous. A real person who supports our friend's path will right away be honest and truthful to him in the most friendly way. Only a person who does not support the deceased person's path will lie and pretend like what he has done was a very wise choice both for himself and others! I'll give you this simple rule for those who think I'm an asshole, don't lie or pretend to the person you love dearly! And do not force others to lie or pretend just to show an appearance of support! That is not truly supporting the journey the other is going through! If you truly want to support wherever the other person is trying to go to, never pretend or lie to them. Do not force the other person to agree with you. That is nihilism and bondage. Do not force people to think like you.

@jimwell before opening my mouth? That's the most arrogant thing I've ever heard of from a person. need I explain to an arrogant person? No, but I will try. Are you really going to take someone seriously when they say they will kill them-self for "experience conscious death"? I have specifically said, if that was the reason, one must not encourage this and be critical of such stupidity. this is what I have said. If it was out of suffering, I have compassion. But if it was for "spiritual pursuit". I will still have compassion, but he must have been an idiot. It's an undeniable fact. And people blaming actualized.org for that must be an idiot too. And we need not feel bad for a person who kills himself "for a spiritual awakening". I'm more embarrassed that I have replied to your post really than I have replied to all others. Read before you speak, is my reply jimwell, and take the pluck out of your eyes before you judge another. I don't know why I write this to you.

@Preety_India I'm saying this is not Leo's fault. I never said don't kill yourself. Suicide is your choice. I'm saying we have no responsibility over it, including Leo. People blaming Leo for this is utter fucking nonsense. It's so fucking stupid. I feel this energy in this forum where people are blaming Leo. Fuck you. And saying fuck you to these people, people then associate people like me who say, "fuck you" as saying "fuck you" to the deceased guy. We weren't saying "fuck you" to the deceased soul, we were saying "fuck you" to you specifically who blame people who had no responsibility over it.

@Preety_India I edited my post: added something to it for you to read.

@Preety_India Read the whole post I have written. I wasn't attacking the guy. My blunt way of speaking was out of compassion. I am saying, leaving your children like that ain't so beautiful! I say this out of compassion to the guy's family and his children. Think about their family, friends, and children! The suffering he has caused. At some point, he has to be aware the karma he has created which is his wife and children. Now, his children and wife has to bear that suffering their whole lives, and the man will have to discard the karma of leaving his wife and children cold turkey? This is a lose lose situation for him. Lose for his friends and family, and a lose for himself. He has already blown it. It is necessary to call him out and tell him what he had done wrong. When you own child hits another child, you tell him he had fucked up, even when the milk has already been spilled. You tell him he has fucked up, especially when the milk has already been split, because you don't want him to fuck himself or the other child again. Telling him "You have fucked yourself over" is not hatred. It's beautiful. Read the whole post please. You don't just give him props because he is deceased. Everyone will die, it is not an accomplishment. Even if he is dead, you tell him the truth. Especially when he is dead, you tell him the truth. If you can't be honest with the dead, how can you expect to be honest with life? I am being honest to the dead. You don't just let him slack off in his spiritual growth just because he is dead. I play basketball, and I know what is the best thing to do for a player who is struggling at his pinnacle and is emotionally wary and confused. You yell at him as loudly as you can because you love him. You love him so you yell at him and may even beat him and slap him in the face. I know this, because once a coach did this to me. You must understand compassion can be expressed in two ways, not one.

I really don't think Leo should take this guy seriously. This guy was on the verge of suicide anyways. It happened to be that he was associated with actualized.org in this specific point of time. To be honest with you, @Leo Gura , I don't think this guy was intelligent in the first place if he actually killed himself thinking it will help him spiritually. That's about the most dumbest shit I've ever heard of. He is in fact irresponsible to leave his children and wife like that. Very nonspiritual, in my opinion. A real man of spiritual essence would dedicate his life to dying before dying. In what world do you think your ego will die if you kill yourself? Your body will die, but your ego will be left! Your dreams, your past experiences will not die, just because your body has died! You will be the same suffering idiot that you were before. Huh.... I know I should be compassionate to him. I don't know if he did this out of spiritual pursuit or out of deep suffering. If it is from suffering, he should be clear that this was not because of actualized.org. If it was for spiritual pursuit, I cannot take him seriously. I know what it is like to want to kill yourself because of deep suffering! I know it! huh.... I may not criticize him so harshly if this was the case, but still, I will never try and encourage such behavior............. One must look at the muse, his dreams, his love of life, and pursue that muse to the end of the universe, however so painful and full of suffering it might be. That's what makes life so beautiful.... I really say this out of compassion and sadness to the man who had killed himself People like Leo who proposes advanced spiritual concepts are met with two kinds of people usually. One are really fucked up psychologically ill people and the other are people who have relatively healthy minds craving for something more essential than their superficial lives. People in between do not come to Leo because they are usually occupied with their jobs, family, and relationships. They don't have time to think about love, happiness, or philosophy. Psychologically ill people need love, happiness, and support, so they leech onto people like Leo. This guy who died is obviously the latter. I know what it feels like to suffer and really consider killing yourself. I've been there. I was fucking close, yet I solved it because of one attitude. It was mental. All mental. I had a health problem called Chronic pelvic pain syndrome. Search it up, and you'll know how painful it is. I solved it by doing what Eckhart Tolle, OSHO had said. Be loving towards the world, only then can happiness come. How can there be happiness if you hate yourself and the world you live in? The compassionate thing to do is not encourage this man's suicidal behavior. Yes, one is sad about it. One wishes it would have been different. Yes, one can feel the suffering of the deceased one. However, do not encourage the behavior of being unloving towards himself and others. In my assessment of the man, he hasn't been so compassionate to himself or the world. Whether the reason was to kill himself for his spiritual quest or to just end his suffering I don't know. If it was the former, I have no words but "tough luck", but if it was the latter, I will have to say, "I wish I could have done better for you even if I never knew you." Whatever reason, I feel he should've been more aware of his surroundings and most importantly himself. Consequences follow when one is unaware of the world and himself and is unloving of the world and himself. Let us learn from this man... but not take him too seriously like we are now!

In a dark room, even when what you have seen is just a rope, you can believe it to be a snake. You will perspiring, you will become exhausted, your heart will pound, you cry, and you may faint because of it too. The reality is that there was never a snake in your room, just a rope. A simple rope has made such an impact on you. Some actually die of fear because they have such idiotic dreams. So there is a consequence in the real world when you have a phantom, a dream, or a false idea in your mind. Be wary of what you believe in. Be wary of what dreams you have. A dream has endless powers to destroy you, from money problems, relationship problems, illness, to death. In fact, as you may know, the cause of most illnesses come out of mental phantoms.

Youve been a dick. I appreciate it. I dont like it.... but cool. Further explain the reasons for your dickish behavior in forums. I really liked the other video about why youre a dick. Dickish teachers who care about their students are much needed nowadays in this consumer culture and i like that. Itll wake us up watching you do this video. Kill some puppies along shooting this video. It will be cool.

@Mellocean of course, anybody can be enlightened, so stop asking these dumb questions and go seriously work on yourself. Even a murderer can become enlightened, know that. Dont judge murderers as just evil. Most enlightened beings were once warriors. Buddha and mahavira were warriors. Muhammad was a warlord. Laotzu' son became a famous general. Porn star? I bet mary magdellin was pretty close to that high vibration energy jesus was emanating

that's about the dumbest shit I've ever heard