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Spiral Dynamics - Stage Green Notes
Spiral Dynamics - Stage Green NotesRe-watching @Leo Gura's spiral Dynamics stage Green video, I've manually taken notes on my OneNote Commonplace book about everything Leo explained about stage Green in his video. Thus making a thorough and compressive summary for everyone interested in spiral dynamics stage orange. No AI was used whatsoever. Hope it helps! Enjoy!
What is the essence of Green?
Green in it's essence is relativistic, caring, communal and environmental.
This time the pendulum has swung from the individualistic world view of orange to the collectivist world view of green. With each stage the pendulum swings between serving the individual and serving the collective
Green as opposed to Blue doesn't sacrifice the self for some afterlife ideal of heaven but for building a healthy and harmonious community here on earth for all to enjoy and to be a part of.
Green recognizes the validity of other cultures and species which blue had some real problems with accepting.
Green is very multicultural and cosmopolitan
Green is on a quest for equality and peace for all beings that inhabit the earth. Green cares as much for trees and plants as it does for animals and for humans!
World peace! Justice for everybody!
Green is reacting to the injustices of Red, Blue and Orange!
Green is a rejection of shallow materialism which came with Orange, and Green returns to humanity and to spirituality, aspects that Orange also neglected.
Green represents a shift away from just the cold logical rationalist scientific paradigm into a more new agey hippie sort of semi spiritual but not religious paradigm
Green is all about love for others be it humans or nonhuman beings
You can encapsulate Green using just the words peace and love.
When does Green emerge?
Because Orange takes greed and capitalism to it's extreme, it turns out that this can cause serious damage for a big part of society and it puts a strain on the environment.
Also Green observes that all of the world's problems cannot be resolved by more factories, or by more business or by more wall street investing.
So Green emerges when material and success fails to feed the human spirit.
Green emerges once Orange realizes that once he obtained his trophy wife, his sports car, his big mansion, and his millions of dollars.. Orange is still unhappy and although Orange got everything he ever dreamed of, Orange still feels like he is missing something which cannot be obtained via more materialism. When Orange feels a sense of longing for spirituality, for deep relationships, for reconnecting with nature… That's the moment Orange evolves into Green.
Green realizes that instead of mercilessly competing with others, it would be more beneficial for everybody to cooperate and live in harmony.
For green success represents when the whole community is successful. Green's personal success isn't making him be happy as long as other people suffer.
Green's sense of community has expanded a lot compared to the sense of community of Blue. While Blue only acknowledged as part of his community only his country and race of people, to Green the community means every single living being that lives on planet Earth. Moreover, Green acknowledges as part of his community even nonhuman species like animals and plants and trees.
Orange evolves to Green when Orange sees all the inequality and oppression happening in the world. Those are the consequences of the unhealthy manifestations of Red, Blue and Orange
Once Orange starts evolving into Green it sees the environmental impact that Orange has been having. Because to Orange didn't matter how much pollution it caused to the environment as long as it acquired massive profits.
One of the hallmarks of Green is a strong sense of ecology
Sometimes a severe health crisis or severe burnout from overworking can lead Orange to evolve into Green
Green is a shift from the heavy left brain thinking of Orange into an artistic, emotional, passionate right brain thinking of Green.
Green is an opening of the heart, a sense of blossoming of empathy, emotionality, femininity, vulnerability and love.
Green is the mellowing out of Orange. Green is the softening of Orange. Green is the stage where the individual learns to relax and enjoy his life.
The values that define Stage Green
Love Heart Soul Empathy Intimacy Kindness Compassion Mercy Leniency Humanism Liberalism Social progress Progressivism Equality Gender equality Racial equality Economic equality Social equality (Green fundamentally believes that everyone is equal) Egalitarianism Democracy Anti-Materialist Anti-Consumerist Anti-Greed Having a social conscience Supporting humanitarian causes Activism and protests Live and let live attitude to life Chilled and laid back Diversity and multiculturalism Cosmopolitanism Flattening the hierarchies Cultural relativism( Appreciates every culture and doesn't believe that it's own culture is superior than any other one, the way Blue did it ) Relationships and human bonding Pacifism Peace Finding common ground amongst people Harmony (Living in harmony with your environment and also harmony between people) Human well being Interpersonal skills Warm interactions, hugs (When you see Green people hugging and it makes you feel uneasy it means you are in stage Orange) Pleasing everybody in the group, not trying to exclude anybody Sensitivity Femininity Dialoguing Team work Sharing ideas and feelings The usage of psychedelics for the altering of the mind Exploring altered states of consciousness Can be spiritual but not religious like how blue was Especially valuing a communal sort of spirituality where Green practices that spirituality within a group Environment and ecology Going back to nature Learning lessons from mother Nature The wisdom of nature Sustainability Recycling Protecting the vulnerable and helping the downtrodden Redistribution of resources and levelling the playing field for everybody. Inclusiveness ( So that everybody in the group gets a chance to express himself and his agenda) Tolerance and acceptance Open-mindedness Deep love and intimate sex( Sex is much more deeper for green than for orange) Sex education (not ashamed like blue was, Green is comfortable talking about sex) Cooperation rather than competition Cares for animals, children, the disabled and the minorities Creativity, beauty and art for art's sake not for profit Values Gurus, A lot of Guru worship at Green Bringing people of the world together Socialism Green values crying and the expression of vulnerable emotions Intuition over logic Health, food and exercise
Characteristics of Green
Green values the power of the community which is integral of all individuals as opposed to Orange who was all about he the individual Green sacrifices the self for this social network community Feelings and caring overpower cold rationality Green is about joining a community and to experience shared growth together Green reaches decision through reconciliation and consensus Green is all about getting together and voting for some green ideal Green is about dialogue and mutual understanding Green measures success in terms of personal happiness and the collective wellbeing of the group Green is characterized by seeking personal growth and introspections and there is a bigger emphasis on personal development that even at Orange Stage Green is into new age stuff. Like souls, reincarnation, nonduality, mysticism, chakras, karma, veganism, Gaia mother earth as a living being Green is characterized by connecting with nature Green is characterized by developing compassion Green seeks to communicate not just content but also feelings Green likes entrepreneurship but now tempered with more heart and humanity and compassion for it's employees Green is characterized by nurturing employees Green can sometimes be emotionally needy Green tends to reject displays of affluence( Green doesn't care if it wears a Rolex or a gold Cuban, to Green matters the quality of the person that he is inside, to green the greatest jewel is his inner development level, and his mind and character. Green is characterized by being individualistic but in a conformist way
Examples of Green
The burning man community The Hippies The New Age movement and all the New Age stuff The Green party Green Peace Vegans and vegetarians Liberals Progressives Democrats Bernie Sanders President Barack Obama (Sidenote: Blue reacts very hatefully against Green because Blue is rigid and conformist while Green is free and lives life in a very liberal way. That's why the conservatives hated Obama so much) The conservatives skew more blue, the liberals skew more green and the business people are basically between blue and green The Republicans are mostly between blue and orange, and the democrats are half way between Orange and Green The more right wing you are the more you skew towards blue and the more left wing you are the more full on green you skew The Young Turks YouTube Channel Bill Maher The Daily show Jon Stewart Steven Colbert Sam Cedars The majority report John Oliver Democracy now YT channel CNN MSNBC VOX Vice The New York Times Sean Penn Al Franken Social workers Community organizers Spiritual meetup groups University Culture Social Justice Warriors Political correctness LGBTQ rights Gender pronouns Protecting minorities Post modernism Feminism What the conservatives call neo-marxism is usually stage Green Abortion rights Planned parenthood Pacifism The me-too movement Antifa Animal rights Anti-war protests Charities NGO's Organic farming Organic food Recycling Global Warming Music festivals The Beatles John Lennon Bob Marley Willie Nelson Marijuana legalization Psychedelics Timothy Leary Terence Mckenna Psychotherapy Progressive school teachers Liberal Supreme Court judges Socialists ( The socialists of the soviet era communism were stage red/blue. Green socialists don't want to confiscate private propriety, or to nationalize all the factories and business. Green socialists want higher taxes for the rich, less taxes for the working class, more powerful unions, better wages and working conditions for the working class, more welfare, more government regulation for the market, better healthcare, more social programs for the less fortunate members of society) The redistribution of wealth Drum circles Neo shamans Communes Universal health care Doctors without borders Sensitivity training Green health food stores Whole foods Western Yoga Western forms of Buddhism Massage therapy Meditation Meditation crystals Juice cleanses detox Green smoothies Colonics spas Scented candles Burning of incense Aromatherapy Tie-dye t-shirts Kombucha Probiotics Soy Gluten-free products Farmer's markets Che Guevara Oprah Winfrey Nelson Mandela Pope Francis Saving the Whales Humanistic psychology Cooperatives ( Coops) Montessori schools Scandinavia The Scandinavian prison system California San Francisco Oregon Austin Massachusetts Sedona Arizona New York Seattle Hawaii Canada Northern Europe Germany The Netherlands Switzerland Iceland Denuclearization Equal pay Free college for all Universal basic income Amnesty Affirmative action Gun Control Assault weapon ban Pro union Pro EPA Pro cutting the defence budget Open borders Higher taxes Lenient penalties Abolishing the death penalty Drug rehab centres Homeopathy Astrology Hypnosis The Bill Gates and Melinda Gates foundation Dr. Albert Schweitzer Martin Luther King JFK Life coaching Career choice Children's rights advocates Protecting endangered species Mentoring programs Helping the elderly Cleaning up the environment Back to earth movement People wearing more natural clothing Minimalism The Peace Corps The plot from the movie Avatar Civil rights Human rights Watchdog groups Electric vehicles Commuting to work on bicycles Solar power Wind power Renewable energy The corporate culture at google and apple The movie Into the Wild Activists Mental Health professionals teachers Ayahuasca retreats Conscientious objectors Ying-Yang Peace tattoos The peace symbol Russel Brand Sam Harris
Mantras of Green
Love conquers all Sharing is caring Make love not war Everyone is equal Everyone is beautiful in his or her own way Everyone is right in his or her own way We're all in this together Live and let live Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free Can't we all just get along? The golden rule: Treat others the way you would want to be treated!
What triggers Green?
Injustice and inequality Oppression of minorities The status quo and hierarchies of power When religion is used to justify oppression Human rights abuses Racism Bigotry Fascism Neo-Nazis The K K K Unchecked capitalism Consumerism Corporate Greed Wall Street CEO's getting golden parachutes while their companies go out of business Exploitation especially around the world in many 3rd world countries Environmental destruction Pollution Triggered by lack of empathy and cold heartedness Animal cruelty Deforestation Raping the earth for its resources War Genocide Rape Torture Abuse Domestic violence Verbal violence School shootings Mass shooting Poverty Fascism Authoritarianism The exclusion of people from a group Libertarians By the fact that Donald Trump is still alive!!!!! Conservative supreme Court In general green is triggered by the backwardness of society (If you are a progressive, keep in mind that the greater the progress you envision for your society, the greater the ego backlash will be from the conservative citizens of your society. And a huge ego backlash could set that society more toward conservativism thus undoing the progressive measures taken in the first place) You must evolve at a slower pace. Too drastic of a change might cause the unwanted regressing effect!
Unhealthy manifestations of Green
Too easily offended and too sensitive (It would help green to develop a thicker skin!) Too much idealistic and not enough practical (No amount of talk can lead to achieving the change that Green's ideal is advocating. Green needs to develop a more grounded approach to how it plans to help society evolve) (Green can start a revolution but because it was never grounded in reality it usually fades away quickly and the status quo prevails) Group think and mob mentality Green can be ideological Green tends to demonize materialism (Usually Green rejected Orange without fully integrating it first, which leads to a disfunctional way of thinking that business is bad. NO! People need businesses to survive and to make sure all their needs are met and if Green with it's idealistic view of the world interferes too much into the business world, this could lead to massive unemployment and a domino effect which would worsen the survival of that society) Green doesn't fully appreciate the necessity of the lower stages (Green must understand that he needs to meet people at where they are at, not at the level Green would like the people to be) Green may fail to realize the complexity of the economy Green can be too relativistic which can lead to a false equivalency effect Green can sometimes be naively pacifistic Sometimes Green wants to flatten hierarchies too much Green is sometimes not action oriented enough. Not pragmatic enough! That's what happens when Green hasn't properly integrated Orange! Green can have extremist elements Green can be too emotional and far too sensitive! Caring too much may lead to burnout Green can be overzealous about social causes Green can fall prey to guilt. Guilt for driving a gasoline powered car, or guilt for eating meat. For not recycling enough. Etc Green can be a little too reactionary In it's excesses Green can stifle independence and can stifle entrepreneurial spirit Sometimes Green can love to talk about spirituality but can fail to embody it. Green often talks the talk but fails to do the walk. Green can be too entitled Green can deny differences too much! Green can be too rigid or too stuck within it's own perspective. Green is characterized by being too naïve and too altruistic Green can be too trusting of Stage Red. Green can romanticize Stage Purple too much Green's empathy can be exploited and manipulated Green can fall into the doormat syndrome where you let everyone abuse you. Green can be bad with finances Green can over regulate and over tax Green can eliminate boundaries too much Green can lie, because it doesn't want to hurt the feelings of other people Green can fall into the lesser jihad! All the lofty ideals that green has, can become a distraction from the inner work that Green needs to do on himself first.
Statistics about Green!
About 10% of the entire global population is Green! Up to 30% of the population in Western Europe and in North America is Green! About 15% of the total cultural and world influence is Green! The style of government under Green is a social network, it's human centred, has a flat hierarchy, decentralized, it's socialist/capitalist hybrid. It's liberal, globalist, it seeks to create a global community and it's a melting pot of different cultures and different ideas with tolerance for all the different elements of the pot!
How to transcend Green?
Read in-depth about Green! Read in-depth about Yellow. Start to notice the differences between Green and Yellow! It is really important for Green to stop judging Red, Blue, Orange and Yellow. Stop demonizing corporations, stop demonizing money, stop demonizing capitalism, stop demonizing conservatives and religion Stop caring about social issues so much. Acknowledge that business is necessary Acknowledge that Green is not the highest stage. Acknowledge the problem with Green mob mentality Start thinking more for yourself Start seeing the world from the lower stages points of view Acknowledge that most of the world wasn't as lucky as you. Most people aren't as educated as you. Most people were not born in first world countries, most people didn't go to any kind of university. Acknowledge that bigots and racists and criminals are acting out of ignorance. Not because they are evil or some other label. Start studying systems thinking Acknowledge that Green's political actions is often ineffective (There is a lot of protesting, yelling and screaming but fundamentally nothing really changes) Acknowledge Green hypocrisy Stop acting self-righteous and superior Be less idealistic and be more grounded in reality Start practicing some serious solo meditation Start practicing self-inquiry Start reading Yellow and Turquoise books Study Spiral Dynamics Start studying nonduality Start deconstructing meaning, value and purpose Make sure you fully integrate Orange and not just react against it or deny it. Make sure you fully integrate Blue and Red. If you are Green and you are struggling with finances, start a business. And try to deal with all the challenges that come with running a successful business If you really want to be truly green you should first become financially independent, go create your own job, your own business, which is actually serving the community in a healthy, environmentally friendly way! Start practicing more neutrality. Notice that sometimes protesting is not enough Become a spiral wizard The master key for transcending any stage is contemplation and self-reflection. (Analyse what aspects or elements from Red, Blue or Orange you haven't fully integrated, what aspects from Green you need to act out harder in order to be more loving or to be at peace so that you can move to Yellow!) Look to master each stage. If you are at Orange or at Blue right now, look for all the ways to master the teachings of Orange or Blue. Don't try to skip or speed run through a stage.
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5meo reactivations morphing to something else
5meo reactivations morphing to something elseYou guys need to understand how much deeper this work is than merely having an awakening experience. You have to rework your whole understanding of reality, society, mankind, and your relationship to all that.
It's not going to be this simple process of having a few awakening experiences and being done. We are talking about a decade of serious inner work at least to integrate and develop.
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Why even read books?
Why even read books?@Jayson G The ENTIRE predicament of life is the problem of distinguishing truth from falsehood.
An illusion that is entirely false is not an illusion at all. Illusion is the use of truth to deceive.
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Spiral Dynamics - Stage Blue Notes
Spiral Dynamics - Stage Blue NotesStage blue is absolutist, conformist and the rise of civilization.
Absolute belief in one right and true way. And obedience to authority.
Relies solely in belief in some higher authority. A God.
It is collectivist rather than individualistic. It seeks to be involved within the collective. It's life is intertwined with the life of the collective.
The collectivist stages work for the higher good of the collective, whereas individualistic stages work for the development of the self.
Strong emphasis on religion and the afterlife.
If you take a stage blue person, and you talk with him about these values, you are going to become his best friend.
Beware of a sneaky politician who would take all these keywords from this list and then go rallying and tell that stage blue audience everything it wants to hear. And that crowd will forever become loyal to that politician. That politician will tell them everything they believe in and everything they want to hear.
The simple fact that you are watching a video about spiral dynamics on your own volition, this puts you on the spiral into the high orange, maybe green or even low yellow, stage wise.
Also while watching this spiral dynamics video series, when you will be reading a stage's value set list, you will say in your mind, yes, that's it, this is what is good for me and the world.
If you are at stage blue, You will agree with everything on the list bellow. But if you are at a higher stage you will disagree with most of the things on this list.
Values of stage blue
Absolute truth and ideology (They hold their ideology sacred. To them their truth is the absolute truth, there is no room for other truths, there is no room for other ideologies but the one that blue believes it is right.) Belief, faith and certainty in their set of values (There is a clear right and wrong) Stage Blue values hard work, discipline and duty. Law and order Justice ( Justice goes hand in hand with the enforcement of their truth, they want to enforce their civilization onto others, their worldview enforced onto others). Blue values hierarchy, social order and the status quo( there is no need to inovate and to be progressive. Our tradition, the way our ancestors did it is the absolute best way to live life) Blue values patriarchy ( Women are there to serve men! Men are the enforcers, they do all the hard work, and women get the benefits of that, and therefore the women should raise the childern and cook food. Women should not hold any position of power acording to blue. And this is not bad, that is the hirarchy, that's the role of the woman) Meaning and greater purpose( Blue's greater purpose is not selfish, it is to be a good citizen, to follow the rules, to be a good christian, to raise his family, or to be a good wife or a good husband, but ultimately is to serve God) Morality is huge for stage blue( A strong sense of right and wrong) Culture, Tradition and heritage( Those values are sacred to blue, they get extremely defensive when attacked on cultural or traditional ground! They need to defend to the teeth their culture and tradition and customs) Crusading for a righteous cause Serving God Theology and doctrine. Orthodoxy, dogma and conformity (Stage blue beliefs that absolute truth has been written by god himself in a book) Stage blue values family very highly Obedience and reverence Respect for your elders God and country (Patriotism, our country is the best country) Righteous living(you live your life according to principles, you have a strong moral code of conduct, you have a sense of honor Reputation (How others perceive you) Good manners, decency, dress etiquette, hair regulations, uniforms. They find profanity offensive. They find as blasphemy speaking down to authority, don't speak down to God. You need to submit to God. Blue values prayer. You pray to God for the things that you need. Blue values authority books like the Bible, the Quran, the constitution etc. Blue believes that you can write the absolute truth in a book. Pledges and allegiances, rituals and ceremonies. Very eager to obey authority, whether is the priest, the pope, mohamed, jesus, or a teacher. Blue values the afterlife. (Heaven, hell and salvation) Strict church attendance every Sunday. Blue wants extreme self control and the suppression of your emotions. Blue values charity, giving back to his community . Values loyalty and hates traitors( Traitors are people who refuse to obey the absolute truth that blue blindly follows) Blue values borders( Borders with their neighbours) Blue values integrity and good character
When does blue emerge
Blue emerges when the limitations of red are exhausted.
Characteristics of blue
For blue life has meaning direction and purpose, with predetermined outcomes. Blue always searches for order, security and stability Blue is trying to be concrete and likes to develop structures Dedicated, responsible and meticulous Trustworthy, predictible and loyal Righteous stable living Obedience is enforced through a sense of duty and guilt Blue tries to get rid of impure toughts from the mind. To blue the devil isn't a metaphorical symbol. It is something real. Blue is about surrendering worldly pleasures for reaching salvation for the afterlife. To blue everyone has a proper place within civilisation. Blue believes that the whole universe revolves around mankind, but not just mankind, it thinks that the only thing true in the universe is his race, his culture and his religion. Blue believes that God created the entire universe for the stage blue's culture and religion to be at the top! And rule over the ones who are different to it. Blue never questions authority, elders, religion, or teachers. Because it perceives that the former are the true carriers of the truth. Blue loves laws, regulations, and disciplining one's character. Blue enforces laws and order because otherwise we'd get chaos and anarchy. For blue reality is strictly objective. Has high rigidity, no open mindedness, and high dogma. Right and wrong are absolute, they are not social constructs. Cultural traditions and values are also absolutes, they are not social constructs. Blue has a very black and white worldview. For blue it is objectively defined what is good and what it is evil. There are no nuances. For blue you are with it or against it. Blue takes a very strict and literal approach to the interpretation of religious text. If the bible says that we should stone to death the homosexuals or the pagans, that's exactly what we should do. There is no questioning on whether this approach is a healthy approach, NO. THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD AND IT SHALL BE DONE. Blue fiercely defends religious doctrine against heresy and corruption. Blue thinks that his bible and his religion is the ultimate and absolute truth, so any deviation or any attack on his doctrine is the influence of the devil. To blue the heretics are those who try to make 'clever' interpretations of the bible. Blue is just a congregation of believers. Blue always invokes an anthropomorphic father figure god, at every situation that is happening. To blue God is a bearded man in the clouds that reigns supreme over the earth. God is a human. Because I am a human. Blue believes that there is a higher power, and that higher power wants it's civilisation to win against the heretics and the pagans. Blue believes that God wants his family to acquire more land, more wealth than the families of it's enemies. Blue believes that ultimate judgement will punish with eternal flames the wicked and the heretics and it will reward with infinite bliss all the good Christians. To blue heaven and hell aren't metaphors. They are literal places one goes after death. Blue believes that evil must be stamped out. Eradicated totally from the world. To blue God is in a grand battle against the devil. Blue is extremely judgemental with sinners. Blue rejects multiculturalism. To blue it's traditions, it's customs, it's culture is the best and all the other ones are inferior. They are lower on god's ultimate hierarchy. In blue's eyes foreigners, animals, trees and plants, and mother nature largely exists to serve stage blue mankind. To serve this one true civilisation. And everything which is not mankind shall be exploited and stripped of every resource. Blue fears the most being kicked out of his community. To be marginalized. To blue being kicked out of the church is the worst thing. It is life and death. Blue is all about conquering other lesser civilizations, about building an empire or kingdom.
Examples of blue
The middle east Romania Russia Cult of personality Nazi Germany Palestinians Zionists Saudi Arabia Christians Muslims Iran India China Patriotism Standing up for the national anthem Monasteries The religious right wing in America Conservatives Republicans Banning abortion and birth control Building border walls Anti-Immigration Witch trials Crusades White supremacy K K K The 10 commandments Noah's Arc Uniforms Catholic and Orthodox nuns George W Bush Mike Pence The Samurai Code Hindu Religion Alex Jones Fox News The second amendment Mandatory military service Virginity pledges Nationalism Queen Victoria's England Military families Police officers, Firefighters and in general blue collar workers. Religious terrorism Spanish inquisition Spanish conquistadors When a soldier jumps on a grenade. Take one for the team. Theocracy Prayer in school The colonial south( USA) Imperial Japan Patriarchy Culture warriors 20th century Marxism(Eastern bloc of the iron curtain). Grand cathedral and temples and mosques. Unequal women's rights Demonizing homosexuals Marriage
Statistics of blue
About 40% of the adult global population is blue. And about 30% of the cultural global influence is dominated by blue. If you live in a first world democracy you might be underestimating how much blue the world is, and even how much blue your first world country is. The style of government that comes in a state with a fully stage blue citizenry is an authoritarian regime. Very order driven, no separation between church and state, very theocratic. Always has imperialistic ambitions. To check whether a nation has outgrown blue, check if it has imperialistic ambitions or not. If it wants to expand it's current territory.
What triggers blue
Stage Red Stage Orange Stage Green Stage Yellow Relativism and not knowing. Uncertainty. Those trigger the hell out of blue. Atheism, Secularism, Skepticism. Because this goes at the heart of everything blue stands for which is absolute truth. This calls all their ideologies into question. Relativism strips blue of all it's certainties and absolute truths that it holds so dear. It is an existential threat to them. You cannot change a stage blue person. They are also triggered by post modernism, intellectuals and academic elites. Blue is triggered by Barack Obama. (To blue Obama represents this intellectual, overly academic, overly strategic, philosophical, relativistic, complex thinker, whom is multi-cultural, cares about considering values of different societies. NO! For blue this is treason. To blue Obama is a traitor. Obama was mostly in the green stage. And blue's sworn enemy is green. Blue hates the most stage green. Space cadets, philosophers and free thinkers. Hippies Sex Rock and heavy metal Rap music Materialism, hedonism Not fasting, not respecting the fast period, or the Ramadan Moral corruption triggers blue. Change to the traditional status quo. Changing things just for the sake of changing things. Progressivism Lawless, disorder, and anarchy. When justice is not served. When sinners get away with their sins. Lack of hierarchy. Terrorism. Multiculturalism and globalism Excessive selfishness and egotism. People who aren't willing to sacrifice for the team Disrespect for the status quo. Breaking agreements or the word given. Disloyalty to their civilization. Blue is very sensitive to traitors. A traitor is someone who betray the culture blue was indoctrinated into. Blue is triggered by the questioning of the existing orthodoxy. And by people who question classic social roles. Like the role of the woman in the household. Heresy and blasphemy Science encroaching on religion, blue is extremely sensitive when it sees the secularization of society
Unhealthy manifestations of blue
Ideology and radical fundamentalism Very closeminded, rigid, stubborn and unwilling to evolve. Blue will be unloving to those who are not within his inner circle of blue people. Traps the mind in rigid and intolerable rigid beliefs. Belief is confused with the truth. Blue gets stuck in one paradigm and no longer can snap out of it in order to see the world from other perspectives. Very prone to mob and herd mentality. Unable to think about metaphysics. Prone to idol worship. Worships the image of Jesus rather than the more abstract and metaphorical of his teachings. Constantly under the pressure of guilt Prone to hypocrisy. Because although it preaches about morality and holy living, blue is one of the most violent, most aggressive. (You cannot substitute a belief system with genuine spiritual purification) Low tolerance for outsiders Very judgmental and demonizing. Because blue believes in objective good and evil. Can easily justify cruelty with holy scriptures Closed to innovation Blue is sexually repressed Blue societies prohibit sexual education in schools Unable to make sense of the value that other cultures exhibit Blue has a lack of intellectual curiosity about the world. Closed to mysticism and nonduality Blue can have a lot of repressed anger Racist, Homophobic and misogynistic Can be oppressive to minorities Reads sacred text way to literally Prone to black and white thinking Prone to us vs them mentality Tends to not having compassion to the weaknesses and frailties of other people Blue is way too strict with their children, often times forcing them to adopt certain customs and traditions and codes of conduct. Blue cannot see the commonality between all the cultures and all religion Blue can be excessively bureaucratic and theocratic Prone to nationalism and communism The worst excesses of blue are genocide and ethnic cleansing
Stage blue sayings
God gave us this land This is the way god intended it to be They will be punished in the name of Jesus Make America great again A revival of traditional values Say what you do and do what you say Just stick to the rules Actions speak louder than words Honesty is the best policy Better safe than sorry Take one for the team Blood and soil
How to transcend stage blue
Read very deeply about stage blue, as you read about your current stage you gain self-awareness and therefore you start to observe the limitation of your current worldview. Also read in depth about the next stage which is stage orange. The thing that keeps you stuck in blue is the fact that you resist stage orange and green so much. Stop judging orange, green and yellow. Stop judging the hippies, the progressives and the liberals Stop judging the intellectuals, the elites and the globalists. Stop judging materialism and success, stop judging homosexuality Stop judging relativism, post-modernism, mysticism, new age spirituality (You are refusing to accept evolution due to the fear of the possible excesses which comes with evolution) Stop moralizing. So long you demonizing the inner demons of others you will continue to be stuck with your own inner demons. Stop clinging to tradition, let it go! Notice that all tradition eventually dies. Start thinking for yourself. Stop thinking along the rigid lines of the dogma you have been indoctrinated into. Start to question all authority. Notice that authority is often wrong, authority is often abusive. Therefore you need to become your own authority Start to notice the limitations of religion. There are much more effective ways of practicing spirituality than religion. Start to notice abuses of the church Notice that beliefs are extremely self-deceptive and that belief is not equivalent to truth and to reality. You could never capture reality within a system of beliefs. Notice that all beliefs are ultimately false and are just a creation of the human mind and that they are relative and are there only to serve the human ego. Start to be more rebellious Notice the limitations of judgments and moralism( Notice that when you are judging others you are actually judging yourself) Start to acknowledge that reality is more relative than you ever thought and this notion of absolute truth maybe doesn't exist at all. Start to acknowledge that good and evil do not exist( Notice that what you call evil, someone else calls good, and what you call good someone else calls evil, that depends on your ego and what your agenda is) Start to question whether God exists at all. Start to question what God is. Start to question your religion and culture Start to question your culture's so called exceptionalism( If you are blue you think your culture is the best) Start to notice that the hierarchy of your civilization is repressive and how it hurts other people, especially minorities. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the people who are being hurt by the hierarchy of your civilization's caste system Notice that is more fun being independent that being reliant on a culture or a set of beliefs or traditions. Start to read self-help books about success. Stop being an anal rule keeper. Relax your rules. Develop a thirst for personal success. Start to have a desire to climb the hierarchy. To get to the top. Strive to be the best at something. Notice that separation of church and state is a good thing. Notice that secularism is a good thing. You wouldn't want to live in a theocracy. Start to study history and start to study the abuses and excesses of stage blue nations throughout history. (Study the Nazis, study Hitler, Study Soviet Russia, Communism, Stalin, study the crusades, study the Spanish conquistadors) Start to see the enslavement of other races that have happened throughout history. Read and research for yourself. Develop a student mindset where you are eager to learn about anything. Read multiple perspectives. ( The problem with blue is that it surrounds itself only with other stage blue individuals and it lives in this bubble of stage blue perspectives, thus living inside an echo chamber and this way it cannot fathom the existence of other perspectives. Go to a diverse university so you get exposed to new perspectives and cultures. Start to study science Practice radical open mindedness. Notice that reality is much more complex and nuanced rather than black and white. Embrace your feminine side more Acknowledge that humans are not superior to animals Acknowledge that men are not superior to women Acknowledge that whites are not superior to any other minority And finally the master key for transcending any stage, especially stage blue, is to practice contemplation and self-reflection. Reflect on your own behavior and analyze where you are making mistakes.
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Jordan Peterson
Jordan PetersonYes, that's one of the problems with his whole system. Same with Sam Harris.
For JP, that comes from his Blue traditionalist Christian values. Christianity is traditionally very moralistic, which is a classic case of shooting their followers in the foot.
Someone like JP cannot accept the deeper truth that all morality is a human invention and that to be truly Good you must abandon all moral ideologies. A truly conscious person does not moralize because he's conscious that evil literally does not exist and that ALL is Good so there is nothing to moralize about. Moralization is something the ego does. And you can clearly see Peterson falling into this trap with respect to the post-modernism, socialism, and stage Green as a whole.
A classic Christian, stage Blue, conservative trap.
The very reason that JP is fighting against post-modernism is because stage Green's relativism undermines all transitional notions of good vs evil. Which is correct! Those notions are human inventions! But JP does not want to bite that bullet and pass through post-modern nihilism to more advanced stages of morality, which are based on consciousness, not human ideas of good vs evil. JP feels that to admit to relativity is to open Pandora's box of chaos. Stage Blue fears chaos (stage Red). Which is why the subtitle of his book literally expresses his fear:
But this fear must be surrendered to, not fought against. Stage Green is not chaos, it's just a new, higher kind of order.
Stage Blue creates rules to keep itself from sliding into chaos. Stage Blue becomes the anal-retentive rulekeeper stereotype, which leads to all sorts of neuroses (which are well-hidden from public view through suppression).
JP has created a public identity out of fighting against chaos. Which is precisely just his own shadow.
The profound irony is that JP hasn't cleaned his own room. Which is why he's acting out in public.
The mind is a tricky beast. Especially the mind of an intellectual.
"The better the model, the bigger the problem."
Everything that's happening to JP is predicted by Spiral Dynamics, if one would just bother to study it closely. When it comes to people's behaviors and ideological positions, there's little new under the sun. There's nothing original about how conservatives behave or think. It's very robotic. Predictable like clockwork. In fact, they pride themselves on that.
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Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread
Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-ThreadPeople get into this work, do it for a while, it becomes a kind of echochamber, and they forget that the rest of mankind is a century out from doing this kind of work.
Never forget how rare what we're doing here is.
It only seems obvious once you're neck deep in it. But most people will never even know this work exists.
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Spiral Dynamics - Stage Orange Notes
Spiral Dynamics - Stage Orange NotesRe-watching @Leo Gura's spiral Dynamics stage Orange video, I've manually taken notes on my OneNote Commonplace book about everything Leo explained about stage Orange in his video. Thus making a thorough and compressive summary for everyone interested in spiral dynamics stage orange. No AI was used whatsoever. Hope it helps! Enjoy!
What is the essence of Orange?
It's individual achievement. Improving the self. All the actions you undertake are only for your own personal gain.
This is a shift from the blue worldview which was about sacrificing yourself for the good of civilization. Orange is not concerned with the afterlife. All it matters is that it lives the good life here on earth.
With Orange comes the rise of:
Business Consumerism Secularism The separation of church and state. Popular culture Scientism (Like science turned into the new religion) Success oriented self-help. The rise of secular democracies. As opposed to blue which had a more theocratic form of government. Stage Orange values
Achievement, Success and excellence Climbing to the top of the hierarchy Obsessed at being number one. Striving to be the best, a winner. Improving one's position in life Efficiency, progress, productivity and optimization Manipulating the system and win maxing. Orange can be extremely manipulative. Orange has no problem exploiting a person or a situation Orange values action, results and pragmatism (Orange doesn't care about the afterlife, about spirituality, about metaphysics! Orange cares about tangible goods and material profit). Orange values never ending growth. Orange values capitalism and libertarianism Competitive marketplaces, deregulation, denationalization Orange values hard work, business and entrepreneurship Orange values competition and winner takes all situations Orange prides himself as being a strong competitor Orange values self-improvement The rise of the self-help industry which before was substituted with religion at the stage Blue level of development There is also green and even yellow self-help but the orange way of doing self-help is along the lines of how to manipulate the marketplace better so you get the best position in life. Orange values skills, knowledge and education Orange values confidence, optimism and charisma Entertainment and showmanship Personal freedom, self-reliance and independence (To orange being dependent for income from the welfare state is just a crutch) Free speech Money, sex and luxury Net worth (To Orange the more net worth it accumulates the more successful it is) Orange values looks, beauty, sexiness and coolness Consumerism (buying the newest Iphone, the newest Gucci bag, the newest shoes) Orange loves brands (BMW, Gucci, Iphone) Loves pop culture, celebrities and social media All the orange culture basically represents the worshipping of celebrities because to orange celebrities symbolize the pinnacle of success. Orange values quarterly profits, mass markets and sales. It is all about how to market a product to as large as a marketplace, to as many people, to make as much profit as possible. Orange is all about mass production and industry Orange values rationality, logic, secularism, science and humanism (This is huge for Orange because it takes it away from the Blue worldview which encompassed religion, traditions and authority. Thus Orange becoming rebellious and swinging the pendulum in the completely opposite direction) Orange is a full on skeptic. Values skepticism but fails to be skeptical of it's own skepticism and of course orange is not skeptical of orange itself or to science. Orange hates metaphysics and thinks that it doesn't need them. When in fact Orange's metaphysics represent atheism, reductionism and utilitarianism. Orange doesn't recognize the limits of rationality or science. Orange values technology, analysis and facts Orange values data, analytics, charts and it wants to measure and quantify everything. Orange values fact based education as opposed to blue who valued religious indoctrination. Orange values scientific methods and IQ. Orange values strategic thinking and risk analysis, innovation and creative thinking and results. Maintaining a competitive edge Competence over rank or bloodlines Orange will stab you in the back with no remorse if it can sense that it can get a favourable outcome which would be a win for himself. When does orange emerge?
Orange emerges when Blue starts to recognize the limitations of itself. It is when blue realizes that this absolute truth that he was holding on to, maybe it is not as certain as it initially believed and maybe the world isn't as black and white as it initially thought it was.
Maybe the divisions between good and evil are not so clear. Maybe it's religion isn't as intelligent and good as it initially thought. Maybe the bible didn't contain only good information. Maybe the people that wrote the bible didn't understand some aspects about reality.
There happens a shift in blue's mind to where it starts to think more independently and starts to do away with the old conformist and authority driven way of thinking.
Characteristics of Orange
A drive for personal results and success and status. Autonomy and independence Tries to do away with blue's bureaucratic system Seeks the good life and material pleasures Orange is characterized by manipulating the earth's resources mercilessly. For Orange society evolves from strategy, technology and competition. Orange thrives on outdoing other orange individuals There is an aversion within orange against religion, spirituality and mysticism. To orange religion is just silly superstition To Orange there is nothing we cannot demystify about reality as long as we do more and more science. To orange reality is impersonal and it doesn't care about you, and the only reason a rock from space hasn't hit your head is just by pure luck. Orange believes that if you cannot quantify a thing therefore it doesn't exist Orange likes to point out the hypocrisy of religious blue people Orange is characterized by strong logical thinking and critical observation( Orange is quick to poke holes within religious theories or books) Orange values certificates and diplomas like PhD's and experts. Orange is focused on direct experience rather than dogma or speculation Orange believes that the world is his playground and he is very optimistic and eager to go out and make something out of himself. Orange believes that the losers in life totally deserve what they got. Because those losers were lazy. Orange has an aversion to fuzzy thinking, emotions and to love. Orange is highly logical and rational. Left Brained. All head over heart. Orange hates femininity and is all macho and tough alpha male like. To orange success is mechanical like factories, assembly lines etc. Orange is obsessed with making profits. Regardless of the means. Orange is extremely self-centred. He doesn't care about his employees or his community or the environment. All it cares is himself and his wife and children. Orange is characterized by the mantra Image over substance. If we can fake being rich then we are rich!! Orange is obsessed by physical appearance. Women are viewed as sex objects, are objectified. Orange doesn't have the capacity to exhibit love or compassion to a woman. Orange doesn't like looking weak or exposing his emotions. Orange can be blind to the suffering of other people. Can be blind by the suffering it causes to other people. Orange likes partying and living life to the full extent. Orange tries to monetize everything Orange has a more vulgar vocabulary and often speaks unfiltered and loosely. With orange comes comedy, poking fun at the status quo Orange uses intelligence rather than force. So instead of directly attacking you he will try to buy you to do whatever he wants. Orange takes calculated risks. Seeks loopholes to see how he can manipulate the rules for his own good. With orange it comes the rise of the middle class which tends to not exist in blue or red A rise with knowledge workers rather than manual laborers. With orange the churches of blue get replaced with corporate boardrooms With orange the traditions and heritages of blue become irrelevant. Who cares about them when I can forge a path just for myself. Examples of Orange
United States as a whole Capitalism Emerging China Businessmen Wallstreet Business Lawyers Business suits The move Wolf of Wallstreet Hedge fund managers Goldman Sachs Big Pharma Big Oil Big banks Tobacco companies Advertising Fortune 500 companies Entrepreneurs Libertarians Professional sports High fashion like Rolex and expensive watches or purses or jewelry Nightclubs Pickup MGTOW, the red pill, the manosphere Republicans Donald Trump Ronald Reagan Plastic surgery, Botox, breast implants Pornography Hollywood as a business Supermodels Silicon Valley Start ups Bill Gates Warren Buffet Casinos Theme Parks Walmart Amazon Coca Cola McDonald's Disney Microsoft EA Electronic Arts Facebook Instagram Twitter Steam (Gaming company) Video Games as a whole. As a culture Bodybuilding Arnold Schwartzeneger Steroids Corrupt politicians NBA UEFA Champions League Anti-Unions laws Western Medicine Oracle Steve Ballmer Outsourcing, deregulations tax cuts Used cars salesman Energy drinks Marketing Sales and PR Television as a whole News outlets like CNN and MSNBC E-commerce Software engineers Technical scientists Nuclear weapons Luxury yachts Private Jets Real estate tycoons Cocaine Alcohol Pop music Rock music Club music Rap music The trophy wife The gold digger Oil drilling in Alaska Champagne and caviar Fancy restaurants Luxury resorts Cruise ships Gated communities Mansions Success magazine Poker players The self-help industry Business books Marketing seminars Dan Kennedy Tony Robbins Tai Lopez Brian Tracy Andrew Tate Dan Lok Success coaches Millionaires Net worth Sports cars Celebrities, paparazzi's Las Vegas Palm Springs Honk Kong Dubai Atheists Skeptics Separation of church and state The founding fathers The Renaissance Henry Ford The World Trade Organization Kim Kardashian Kanye West Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll The midlife crisis Nasa Space X Elon Musk Universities Get rich quick schemes Online Millionaires Bitcoin, forex, day trading Utilitarianism Logical positivism Behaviourism Darwinism Gun rights The whole military industrial complex Sigmund Freud Harvey Weinstein The 2008 financial collapse Billboards Birth control Condoms Viagra Stem-cell research Robotics Computers Sex education Alex Jones Howard Stern The movie House of cards The movie Avatar The movie Boiler Room Sam Harris
Statistics for stage Orange
About 30% of all adult global population is in stage Orange. 50% of the total world influence, cultural and behavioural represents stage Orange. The government style of Orange is technocratic, capitalist, oligarchic and corporatist
Unhealthy manifestations of stage Orange
Environmental destruction Pollution Deforestation Global Warming Overfishing Endangering various kinds of species Depletion of resources like water aquifers The indoctrination within secularism and scientism and materialism Capitalism turned into a religious ideology The misuse of evidence and scientific studies Orange is ignorant to spirituality, god, consciousness, emotions, femininity, intuition, love and magic Orange is intellectually arrogant ( Because orange looks at how primitive blue is and because Orange is championing logic and science and skepticism, it thinks that it is better than blue) Stage Orange lacks the metaphysical and epistemic ability to self-reflect in an unbiased way Orange mistakes stage blue religion with higher post rational levels of mysticism Stage Orange cannot understand the true origins of religion and why religion is so persistent. Orange can't understand that religion comes from mysticism and from non-duality Orange cannot have a deep spiritual connection to reality Stage Orange cannot crack the problem of consciousness Orange cannot overcome the duality of mind and body Orange cannot understand post rationalism Orange can become narcissistic and self-absorbed, can lack compassion for others Stage orange first world countries exploit 3rd world countries for cheap labour. Orange can be oppressive in a corporate manner. Like when a boss overworks his employees or when companies use manipulation and schemes to false advertise a product or when they companies over-inflate their prices just for profit, or when those companies don't pay fairly their employees. Gross levels of income inequality Inhumane working conditions Orange blames the people who work in slave like conditions for being lazy and for being religious and that's why they have the job that they have because they weren't smart enough to have a better job. And the job they currently have is the one that they truly deserve. Orange is very legalistic, will use lawsuits frivolously as a weapon against it's enemies. Orange engages often in disaster capitalism which entails massive deregulations and a unchecked free marked which in turn creates a huge income inequality. Orange is prone to instable economies. Example the economic collapse in 2008. Orange can lead towards war for other nation's resources. Also the military industrial complex benefits from wars because it creates huge profits for the owners of the factories that produce weapons. Orange can lead to the corruption of government and to corporate lobbying. Orange can lead to arms races and in it's most horrific form it can lead to world wide nuclear Armageddon The greatest danger to the world is stage orange itself, because only orange could trigger a nuclear holocaust, not the religious people of stage blue Orange can architect factories than abuse the hell out of animals and subduing the animals to horrific cruelty Stage orange leads to monopolies which prevent small businesses from flourishing Stage orange leads to shallow consumerist culture Orange leads to all sorts of nasty addictions like porn, sex, drug, videogames and food addictions. The treating of women as sexual objects. Leads to those cringe alpha male posturing. Stage orange leads to depression and lots of suicides Orange leads to stuff like ulcers, ADHD, heart attack, insomnia, chronic fatigue disease and a bunch of difficult to diagnosticate auto immune disorders. In it's excesses orange leads to unbridled ambition and competitive stress Orange leads to workaholism and burnout Orange leads to a sense of isolation and loneliness Excessive orange leads to a stifling of creativity, art and beauty Orange leads to a cold technocracy where human beings become like cogs in a machine Orange leads to a loss of connection with nature Orange leads to a dysfunctional health care system
Common mantras of Orange!
Greed is good! Just do it! The sky is the limit! Win at all cost! Survival of the fittest! Nothing ventured nothing gained Can't take care of yourself? Grow up! Stop being lazy! I made a killing in the market today! Trickle-down economics! Each is responsible for him or herself You never get a second chance to make a first impression There is more than one way to skin a cat We can kill two birds with one stone Every man for himself Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Fake it till you make it Work hard play hard To orange reality is impersonal and it doesn't care about you, and the only reason a rock from space hasn't hit your head is just by pure luck.
What triggers orange?
Orange is triggered by:
Blue, Green and Turquoise God, religion, creationism, myth and superstition The new age. Like spirituality, mysticism and woo-woo pseudo-science. Hippies Alternative medicine triggers orange, like chakras, or healing an illness using your mind Reincarnation, UFO's ,intelligent design, flat earth, auras, past lives, paranormal stuff, cult leaders Astrology Feminism Irrationality Intuition Philosophy and metaphysics Constrains on business and entrepreneurship Following the rules, by red tape, and by bureaucracy Big government intervention, and government regulation and the welfare state Losers, bums and freeloaders(Orange tends to be blind of it's own privilege) Socialism, communism and communal thinking. Orange doesn't like being part of a community The thought that the universe may have human qualities like love. Identity politics and political correctness People who take too long to get to the point People who have a lack of ambition to rise above average Lack of focus on results and in action taking. Too much talking, too much planning. Orange likes to get to the point. Archaic, overly religious societies like the middle east. Hillbillies and rednecks.
How to transcend Orange?
Read in-depth about the limits of Orange. (The limits of capitalism, the damage that's been done to the environment etc) Read in-depth about Green (It is progressivism, caring about other beings, empathy, femininity) Stop judging stage Green Also ask yourself this: What is the price of my success? Who has to suffer so that I can bask in beauty and luxury and goods. Notice that success doesn't equate to happiness. Notice that more technology doesn't make you happy either. Acknowledge community and that you are part of a community. Mankind is a tightly knit community. Start to study spirituality Stop conflating religion with spirituality Start to see that there is more to life than pragmatism and that pragmatism doesn't make you happy at all. Notice the limits of science and technology Notice that Orange societies are unsustainable Acknowledge the damage that business does Acknowledge the gross inequality in the world Acknowledge environmental destruction Acknowledge animal cruelty in factory farming Acknowledge that socialism isn't bad Make a distinction between communism and socialism from the soviet era and all the evils that came from that and recognize that wasn't green it was actually blue. Find a heart centred life purpose Stop working so much. You work too much. Enjoy life too! Start deepening your relationships Stop treating women just as sexual objects Start to actually care about the people you are relating to. Stop buying shit that you don't need. Start taking psychadelics Reconnect with nature. Enjoy life in more rural settings! Go to music festivals Try alternative medicine Start recycling Start treating your employees like humans and not robots Acknowledge the limits of of analysis, logic and quantification Become a more holistic thinker rather than a narrow minded technical analyst. Surrender control and the desire to manipulate the system and to exploit the game. Embrace your emotions and your feminine side more Embrace your intuition Start to become more compassionate, more empathic, and more loving Cut out videogames, television and social media And lastly the master key to transcending any stage is contemplation and self-reflection, analyse your behaviour!
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Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread
Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-ThreadYou are correct that in the end things hinge on one's values, and there is no objectively correct set of values. My values are not objectively best, nor would I ever claim that. However, one's choice of values matters a lot in terms of where you'll end up.
Actualized.org is about a certain set of values which are designed to take one to very high places. If you disagree with the values you can find other teaching with others priorities. But, your understanding of God will suffer for it. If you don't care about understanding God, then fair enough. There is nothing I can say to make you care. And yes, there are tradeoffs. Your social life will take a hit. Your career may take a hit. Your family may take a hit. Those are some of the costs, and most people will not want to make those tradeoffs.
But, then they lose the right to speak about God because they know not what they say. If you select your family over Truth, then you lose the right to speak about Truth because your ideas about it will be corrupt.
Any value prioritzed over truth will lead to corruption. This must be the case and people like Jordan do not understand this.
It is not true that placing beauty or love over truth will lead to the same place. It will not. It must end in corruption.
Not as hard as you make it sound.
I suggest something deeper is at play. They never even understood the import of pure understanding.
They are lost, but it is their right to be lost.
No, they aren't.
They are doing much less profound work. But you are right that that's not wrong per se. They just don't know what they are missing.
Yes, philosophers can have smaller aims than God and there is utility to those smaller aims. For example, Vlad Vexler is a great political philosopher but totally clueless about God. Is he wrong? Not really. But also, he cannot even imagine what he's missing. I would never criticize him about his lack of understanding of God because he doesn't pretend to know. Jordan Hall presents Christianity is a valid path towards God. This is where I must come in to say that that is an advanced self-deception.
The reason I exist is to tell people what they're missing, because they don't even know. If a Christian knew how much he was missing, he would drop Christianity immediately. But the mind is so closed that it will never know.
You sorta just have to trust me that something huge is being missed. But of course you cannot know whether I'm right or wrong. In the end, no matter which teaching you follow, you have to trust that it will lead you somewhere higher than other teachings. There's no way around this problem.
Christainity makes certain claims. I make alternative claims. Who is more right? Only you can figure that out.
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Is Meditation BS?
Is Meditation BS?There are many valid techniques.
Noting is better for keeping the mind on track. Just focusing on nothing is really hard without getting lost in thoughts. Noting helps avoid getting lost in thoughts.
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Democrats Need to Face Why Trump Won
Democrats Need to Face Why Trump WonBernie's whole appeal is he has the vibe of a genuine decent human being who truly cares about working people. Which is very rare in among politicians. He has vibe of a genuine authentic populist.
Bernie also appeals to voters who care about policy. Such voters do exist.
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Don't worry, Trump supporters will be forced to come to their senses,
Don't worry, Trump supporters will be forced to come to their senses,Obviously right-wing populism is just a grift for the powerful to do business as usual, but with zero checks and balances.
And a real redistribution of power and wealth is not even on the table.
The left loses and isn't popular precisely because being truly progressive requires not siding with power.
Progressives don't have power because power isn't freely given, it must be grabbed.
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Where Exactly Do Leo's Teaching Differ From Nonduality?
Where Exactly Do Leo's Teaching Differ From Nonduality?The game everyone is playing is avoiding just sitting down under a tree for 200hrs of non-stop meditation.
If you look at every human being: academics, scientists, politicians, CEOs, New Agers, right-wingers, progressives, influencers, celebrities, etc -- all they're doing is just a clever strategy of avoiding sitting under that tree.
They will do anything, say anything, they will riot -- all just to avoiding sitting under that tree.
That's what it all boils down to. Because sitting under that tree is the death of all their bullshit.
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Where Exactly Do Leo's Teaching Differ From Nonduality?
Where Exactly Do Leo's Teaching Differ From Nonduality?Meditation rewires the brain/mind in ways that psychedelics cannot. Hardcore meditation sharpens perception in important ways.
Psychedelics also sharpen perception but in ways that just don't last long enough.
Meditation also forces the mind to confront difficult emotional labor that is different from psychedelics. Meditation forces you to confront boredom and addictions in a very serious way that psychedelics cannot.
If you haven't done a 200hr retreat you really should. It will be hell, but you'll also learn a lot.
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If you have the money to get out of the USA, why haven't you?
If you have the money to get out of the USA, why haven't you?Yes, of course. But this thread was asking why I personally haven't run away.
Every government policy hurts someone because there are 350M people. Obama deported a lot of illegals. Just because tens of thousands are hurt doesn't mean America is unlivable or even that anything major has changed.
People ARE exaggerating the effects of politics on everyday life in general. This is true while it is also true that tens of thousands are hurt. For American life to really change, tens of millions would need to be hurt. That's not even so easy to accomplish.
Even if Trump wanted to, he doesn't have the manpower to deport 10 million illegals. There are pragmatic limits to how much damage can be done how quickly. Which is not to say he can't do some very dangerous things like start a war. But aside from a war or serious market crash, most Americans will not feel anything. This is not me being callous, this is just how society works.
Don't forget that even during war, most people feel nothing. In Russia, most people are still living their lives business as usual. Even with 1M Russia losses. That's still only <1% of the population.
What you guys are missing is how robust society is. Even if 20% of Americans died tomorrow, life would go on. Sounds harsh but that's the reality. And yes, the rich are always insulated from the worst of it. Who do you think is dying in Russia? Not the rich. So it has always been and so it will always be.
The whole point of being rich is that survival is easier. This isn't an error. Those who work harder and smarter have more resources to shelter the winter. If you live alone in the wilderness and work twice as hard and twice as smart, your chances of surviving the winter are 4 times greater.
I have been very vocal about the dangers of Trump. But it's important to also keep that in realistic proportion.
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There are two big types of leftists
There are two big types of leftistsBasically anyone under the age of 35 will have very immature and unworkable politics. Because they don't have enough life experience to understand how power and survival really works. Their politics will be some version of group-think, either left or right. It takes enormous life experience to understand why politics works as it does and not by your naive ideals.
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Giving up on pick up.
Giving up on pick up.21 years old virgin, keep failing at pick up despite thousands of approaches. It's just that there's something wrong with life, at this point. I just don't understand what more should i do to get girls. I guess the problem with pick up is that it's seen as creepy to talk to strangers, it's just uncomfortable and unnatural, people naturally just want to talk to people they already know. I'm tired of failure. There must be something wrong with this world, man, i just don't get it at this point.
Abstinence is torture and doesn't work. And when you try to take responsibility and fix your sex life, it also doesn't work. What should i do ? Go and rape a girl then? I just hate life because of this problem, all i do is think about girls and all i get is rejections. Is it my fault i was born with a body that craves sex without being able to ever satisfy this need ?
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Elon Musk Shenanigans thread
Elon Musk Shenanigans threadRemember that Trump is a fake billionaire, and he knows it. So he craves to be around real billionaires because it makes his fantasy feel more real. And what could be more flattering to his ego than being friends with "the world's richest man".
It's all about the narcissistic supply.
Trump is cosplaying his ultimate ego fantasy of wealth, power, and fame.
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Elon Musk Shenanigans thread
Elon Musk Shenanigans threadYou can read anecdotes about Musk from people like Kara Swisher. She was his friend before he turned on her and called her evil for daring to criticize his immaturity.
She says he's kinda lonely and miserable in his private life.
Frankly I'm sick of hearing about these Tech Bros. They are all corrupt and shallow as hell. Success and power addicts who understand nothing of what life is really about.
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So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happiness
So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happinessIt's not primarily physical pain. It is the emotional pain of the ego struggling and dying.
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Why does physical reality and other people feel so real?
Why does physical reality and other people feel so real?Why do dreams feel real until you wake up?
MIND loves to imagine realities. That's what MIND do.
Dreams ARE real. It's just that you can wake up from them.
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I can't allow myself to be more optimistic and positive
I can't allow myself to be more optimistic and positive1) The #1 goal should be truth and accuracy of your perception.
2) Being negative and cynical is then not truthful nor accurate.
3) Hopeful fantasy is also untruthful. So that's out.
4) True optimism comes not from waiting for good things to fall upon you, but from knowing that if you follow timeless principles you can work your way towards good things by creating them for yourself.
5) It is true that through hard work and creativity you can create great things for yourself and the mankind.
6) There is always a chance bad things will fall upon you. That's just life. But you have some control over how you handle it and you can turn many bad things into good things through hard work, intelligence, and creativity.
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So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happiness
So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happinessDoing self-help comes with its own burden. Self-help has a cost. Which is why most people don't do it and remain common fools.
You want to know what happens when you don't do self-help? Look at Elon Musk. He's hyper-successful externally, but he's a man-child internally. That's why we take on the burden of self-help.
It's not really self-help, it's the philosopher's life. The ancient Greek philosophers lived in pursuit of The Life Of Virtue, The Good Life. This requires cultivation of character. Which requires deep inner work, which is a burden. They took on this burden because otherwise you will become a corrupt, animal-like man who lives for nothing more than sex, money, power, fame, and pleasure. This is the life of a beast.
Religion and philosophy is about elevating oneself towards the Good, towards God, towards Truth, towards Love.
Those who do not do the work remain children.
There are many different ways of doing the work. But no one is forcing you to do the work. You can choose to remain a child.
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Voting the Spiral: height vs balance
Voting the Spiral: height vs balanceVote for the highest stage running who has a decent chance of winning.
That's the principle.
Do not vote for people who have no chance of winning even if they are Jesus. Jesus is never going to win an election so don't even consider that option.
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So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happiness
So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happinessYou don't have to develop at all if you don't want to.
But if you follow Actualized.org then it's assumed that you care about developing. And if you are going to undertake the goal of developing yourself to high stages, that will involve emotional labor and suffering. It certainly won't be easy or automatic.
Can you be happy without developing at all? That's an interesting question. It much depends on your psyche. Some psyches can be happy living unconsciously, others cannot.
Could you just live a happy life of career, family, sex, success, travel, etc. and never think about development? Maybe. But you might also get stuck and unhappy doing that.
Realistically, your life will stall out at some point and you will seek for solutions. Those solutions will involve development, which will involve work and suffering.
It's like if you wanted to start a business. Starting a business involves suffering more so than if you didn't. Doing difficult things is difficult. There's no way around that other than not doing anything difficult. Which will ironically create its own kind of suffering.
As the Buddha wisely said, life is suffering.
This work is not about me or anyone telling what is good. It's about you recognizing the Good using your own conscious intelligence. The highest intelligence in you sees the Good, at least to some degree. The more development work you do, the clearer you will see the Good.
Do you have to be good? Nope. You can be a psychopath. But you won't be happy with those results.
The reason for being good is not because you're told but because your intelligence recognizes that it is objectively the best way to live. Living badly is not intelligent.
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Decentralized ownership of automated labor
Decentralized ownership of automated laborI love the idea of collective ownership of automated labor.
Unfortunately this feels like a pipe dream because robots and factories are super expensive and the capitalists who pay for them will never give up that property to the public without a bloody Marxist revolution.
The problem with Marxism has always been that factories are expensive and some private people had to pay for their development. Publicizing private property is basically like theft, which is why elites will oppose it furiously.
I think it's just easier to tax the rich.
There is no getting around the problem of elite resistence to redistrubution of wealth because they are all addicted to hoarding money and power.