Thetruthseeker

@Preety_India it’s not that I necessarily want a flash car it’s just the constant deconstructing of beliefs, reality and the ego is very hard hitting at times. and sometimes I wonder if was happier living life a bit more unconsciously and in ignorance. sometimes it feels like the more conscious one gets, the more difficult it can get. I’m probably just having a slight ego backlash or in the stage struggling with nihilism. but certainly it feels like a very deep, heavy and emotionally difficult road to go down to be constantly deconstructing my life

His centre is orange for sure but I’ve seen him live in london and next to the other speakers you could tell he was a bit more evolved - some marketing tips were focused on empathy/kindness. He’s orange, but he’s got a good heart I think 80% orange, 20% Green/yellow

Where do people think Tyler currently is on the spiral?

I’ve watched Leo’s videos on ‘successful people are not happy’ (which is possibly one of my favourite videos that changed my life) - and he describes that never ending wheel of achievement and cycle as hedonic adaptation im learning more about the effects of dopamine and wondering if this is directly linked to hedonic adaptation or is it something slightly different?

@Carl-Richard thanks for such a brilliant and insightful reply

@Raze thank you for these videos! They helped!

So let me start by saying that at 27 I had a life saving operation and a near death experience. Ever since I’ve followed Leo and had such a profound notion of just how precious life is. It becomes so precious that sometimes I get down and depressed of how precious it is and that it will all end sometimes I appreciate life so much that I end up working so hard, knowing this is my one chance to fulfil my potential. And if I don’t, I become really hard on myself I guess my question is, how do I stop being so afraid about life ending as I realise how precious and beautiful this life is. I don’t want it to one day end. It’s like the dark cloud of reminder that everything will pass and end. It’s from a place of appreciating the beauty of living that always makes me push myself sometimes too hard to live my best life. The scarcity in the beauty of this one life is something that is beautiful but also scary at the same time

@BipolarGrowth did you do these on a specific planned retreat or on your own?

@vizual great points. It would take immense courage to evolve from stage orange if a lot of life (your business, relationships) we’re all set up you would have to be prepared to let a lot go to truly evolve. Is it worth it? Would you lose and risk everything that evolve? jyst saying this as I have recently noticed the costs of doing personal development work. In the end, will evolving make one happier?

@TripleFly Yeah… it’s just he’s been taking more spirituality lately and eckart tolle so I didn’t know if he was more evolved these days …. OR He’s just a marketer who knows what sells (spirituality) but really he’s still orange all the way

Who’s the shady business partner? Julian?

@Leo Gura any thoughts on where’s he’s at right now in his development?

@Huz yeah I feel you’re UK pain. Actually nearly every other country in Europe it can be delivered too. But after looking for hours no one ships to the UK. They must be doing this for a reason probably as there’s been issues with checks. there’s some 5meo DMT retreats in Mexico and Spain. But as for DALT, literally no idea on how to get it.

I’m in the UK - and all the research Chems websites I've looked at don't ship to the UK. They ship to every bloody country apart from the UK. All of them. Bit disappointed Am I going to have to fly out to Netherlands just to ship it back to myself? Ha

I’m in ‘limbo’ at the moment and find myself doing a lot of thinking about where I’m currently at in life and where I want to be in the next chapter of life. It’s that very reflective time on being on my own, journaling and feeling melancholy however I’m just wondering where the difference and distinction is between contemplation and just ‘overthinking’ … I feel like I’m contemplating, but also I’ve got constant thoughts and a narrative running through my head all day. just wondering any thoughts or guidance on this to know I’m on a good track of contemplation rather than just endless overthinking thanks ??

Do you think one could put the model and some teachings within an online course I create as a coach? Or still risky? I would love to include talking about spiral dynamics within my coaching… I wonder how much it would be, to be able to coach the model and include it on in coaching and online courses

Makes sense. Thanks for the clarifying Leo

Sorry to make this post on Leo, but it’s just a tangible example that we all know and have seen his journey. I was just reflecting back on his journey and videos. He seemed quite stage orange at the beginning, (success, sex, how to be a man part 1) then it didn’t seem a long time in green? It seemed only 2 years where he talked about meditation, minimalism, how to be a man part 2. And point being it seemed he pretty quickly went to stage yellow type content. did he really fully go through green in just 2-3 years? Or could it be he’s very individualistic and is more introverted that he never fully went through and embraced stage green? Maybe he did go on lots of group retreats, went to burning man, but I weirdly can’t imagine it. From looking at his YouTube, he still went on retreats alone a lot. but maybe he did really go through green… after all, we only see YouTube videos and don’t fully know what’s going on. Was just my thoughts.

@Leo Gura Thank you!

Just getting confused on this ‘life is meaningless’ if anyone can help. I understand that in the external world objects have no absolute meaning, cars, people, situations, houses, etc. But it’s the meaning that we construct onto them that makes the meaning to us itself but I’m getting confused when it comes to values from a values list. The values seem more internal. So values of independence, creativity, authenticity… etc, am I really constructing them? Or are they inherent to each individual? because if I was completely constructing choosing abstract values from a list, how would I ever choose? Whereas I feel like I have an innate set of values that don’t really change, and it was obvious to me when looking through a values list what was important to me

Leo has changed my life but as im building my YouTube channel, I realised I felt ‘bad’ ‘inadequate’ and ‘guilty’ by not mentioning @Leo Gura in my videos I’ve only got 25k subscribers but I want to talk about spiral dynamics on my channel, but I realise I need to mention leo, in order to not feel inferior. And to own what I uniquely have to offer I was afraid to mention Leo before knowing that I feel second best, but I need to mention him to release that issue I think Leo mentioned this before, that by mentioning other mentors, he used to feel insecure, but actually crediting others makes you more credible has anyone else battled this?

@Snader Yes I agree with you thanks! I do remember Leo saying he struggled feeling insecure crediting people at the beginning, so I guess I’m just at that part of the journey

Guess this was just an unresolved insecurity in me. Of feeling less credible by mentioning Leo when necessary but actually I should credit when I put out a video where Leo (or someone else) has influenced me. You’re right, then that actually makes one more credible thanks

@Tim R because his videos have been such a big influence … so I would feel like my hiding the truth if I didn’t mention him

@SoothedByRain yeah I’ve done about 4 of his courses now. Including some where he’s live… and his ‘virtual coach’ He is highly intelligent. Very stage yellow and has some amazing things to say. Definitely not a ‘con’ … BUT … he can get super salesy at times and it’s a bit much I remember last time we were on a ‘virtual coach’ bonus meeting… and practically all upsells. For his 15k course. It made me lose trust in him. But he’s still probably the best business brain out there (that I know of anyway) but I agree, I’m a bit baffled when you’re already worth so many millions and that evolved why he has to be so pushy. How many more millions does he need? It’s seems weird and off to me how he’s so evolved yet at times he feels fake, and selling like stage orange extreme leo is more evolved. It’s just a shame Leo is too evolved he doesn’t care about extracting millions out of us, and making more courses. Cos his would be the best I think …