Brittany

I agree with this. But there seems to be a weird pattern that I see in people. Some people believe there is something "beyond" turquoise. They don't use spiral dynamics terms or the spiral dynamics colors. But these people have access into infinity --- but then go back down into ego-mind to do deep shadow work and to understand the "machinery" of the mind and how it was created. And then they reprimand "turquoise" as escapism. An escape into infinity without having to look at traumas and ego wounding in detail. Is this another stage? Or is this still turquoise? Or are these just confused yellow people? They don't use the spiral dynamics terminology. But I notice this is a huge trend of people intentionally choosing not to "swim in infinity" because they believe in the importance of shadow work. Some saying "If I was meant to be a spirit on earth, I would be dead." Or "If we are one, then I can't be enlightened until every person on earth becomes enlightened." This is intentionally rejecting turquoise as the path we should not be taking. Who are these people? haha Because I keep hearing this pattern of people rejecting turquoise. Is this a stage? They don't use the spiral dynamics terminology though --- but I can see what is happening.

And there is also a love that can see the suffering and doesn't become cold, distant, arrogant, and judgmental. Because we are able to walk inside of the shoes of the "evil people" and see that they are not evil at all. They are just like us. Empathy removes the cold, distant, arrogance and judgement. Also, the more that you see the darkness inside of your ego, the more you will have empathy for others. If you believe that you are "good", you probably haven't seen your ego clearly. The ego is quite dark in everyone. And it's when you are able to see the darkness in your ego, and still love yourself and have compassion for yourself - that you can love even a dictator.

There is definitely a stage above turquoise.

The green stage is filled with chill people. Many green stage people are not angry activists. And many green stage people are relaxed and zen. If you meet you a "centered" green stage person, you will enjoy being in their presence. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference between a "centered" green and a turquoise person.

I posted this on another thread but Alain De Botton on Romantic Love is pretty yellow. And almost all of his "School of Life" company on youtube is yellow. Reason "School of Life" is so popular (despite his hidden nihilistic and non-dual views) is because of the Cartoons he uses. It draws in every stage.

Maybe philosophy groups, yoga/meditation centers, and monasteries.

When this happens, I put down my books and videos. And I go outside or go socialize. Creating something is also good. You need to take action steps. Your brain is saying "I have eaten enough. Can you stop feeding me for a bit?". You can always go back to learning more once your brain has rested.

I think that following your intuition and following the truth will always lead you to the next stage - spiral dynamics or not.

You are on the right path. Your post is shouting to me that "you need more self love". You need to double down on self love and self compassion. When you have enough of your own love and your own kindness, your cup will overflow and you will feel sick and drown in your own love if you don't share it with the world. haha Follow what feels true and what is self compassionate, and you will "fall into green" and not even realize it. I think that intentionally trying to become "green" can actually stunt your growth. Follow your intuition and it will lead you to the next stages. Spiral Dynamics is just a fun tool. Not a Bible.

This quote reminds me of the Avatar movie.

Yes, this sounds red or orange.

What topics are you interested in? Green is such a huge category. Every topic in the world has a green stage counterpart.

For me, it was unconscious suffering. I had to choose between suicide or non-duality. Some choose suicide. I think Jeff Foster is another person who had to choose between suicide or non-duality.

First, Second, Third, Fourth, etc. etc. impressions are all wrong. We never know anyone. We don't know ourselves. When we think we see people, we never do. Even our spouses, children and friends.

If you are not preachy, you won't have any problems. I am really green and I haven't had problems in the orange society around me because I don't preach

I have noticed suffering and trauma to be a huge factor. It is not a requirement, but suffering and trauma usually lead people here.

The void without love activated is a horror film. The void means I do not have a father, a mother, a sister, a nephew, etc. The void means that my emotions and thoughts and actions are no different than a bird flapping it's wings. The void means there is no right or wrong. The void turns all of society into noise. The void turns language into a dog barking. But this is the void without love. Causes lots of zen devils too. They think they are enlightened but devoid of love. I can not access the void with love yet. The love part doesn't turn on. I have too many shadows. Blame. Resentment. Pride. Lots of demons. So I become a zen devil if I don't ground myself back into ego-mind. Lots of zen devils access the void but have ego's that are running underneath. You must face the shadows. You can't use enlightenment to run away from your demons. That is why I like Leo's approach of talking directly to the ego instead of speaking in riddles all of the time.

I think that feminism in the turquoise stage sees that it is all a dream. I feel like turquoise is the one that can see past the dream at all times while still interacting with the dream when it wants to.

I can't speak for Emerald. But you and Leo are triggering the crap out of me. haha Romantic love pulls us all into ego. And when I read your posts, I can't read them from the perspective of "the void". Romantic relationships are noise from the perspective of "the void". I have to go back into ego-mind and view them from the perspective of a woman. But I think it's divine. Like nature wants us to be triggered. And deal with our shadows. Romantic relationships are an excellent way to self actualized and face all of your demons.

I do not fully understand romantic love. It is the most complex ego mechanism we have. It's a beautiful expression of duality. And it's most confusing part of the dream. The most tempting part of the dream. It can be extremely beautiful and/or extremely destructive. Romantic love is the yin and yang. It is the dark and light. It points people to all of their shadows and emotional hunger. I have not seen any non-duality teacher, philosopher, or psychology do this subject justice.

I agree with your post. From the perceptive of the void, spiral dynamics is "the dream trying to understand the dream". Spiral Dynamics is flawed simply because it is not silence. All noise is in the dream. And spiral dynamics is part of the noise. It is good to see the bullshit in all systems but still see the usefulness in playing around in them.

I am the same with my parents. They are blue. I stopped "preaching" to them and just love them.

Fun for Louis received a ton of hate in the media for his vlog series in North Korea. This is a good example of what it looks like when Stage Green tries to help out Stage Red.