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Anyone interested in an optimist view of how spirituality is going to influence humanity when it reaches critical mass would enjoy Sri Aurobindos work. I recommend his most famous: The Life Divine available for free download here @MarkusSweden

@The Don Hi don I feel sorry to hear of your loss. Just don't let this statement turn into a belief.

@Soulbass Yes it is because yellow starts accepting the parts of itself it had to deny so that it could become blue, orange and green. By the time you get to turquoise you're not trying to make sense of experience anymore because it's so complex. But the reason that they call turquoise mission peace in an unfathomable world is because turquoise knows that accepting all of reality is all that it can do. There is no longer any fear of others because others is actually themselves. You can't really regress at the higher levels because you already know too much, like learning a skill you never really forget it. But you don't look down on anyone else that is lesser depth of consciousness because that would be looking down on self.

You hit the nail on the head . It's how a person interprets the experience after they come out of it. Red won't have enough presence to understand that what he imagined was God was his own self, so will transcend into blue and live that stage for a while. Nice, thanks for that

@lmfao let me just say this now and maybe you can create an answer from this. Red can have a non dual state experience, but it's not going to stick because there just isn't enough development. All people through all points in life have non dual experiences. We all have them when we go to sleep at night . The trick is to realise it permanently in the waking state. But even then different awakened people are at different stages, so your classic version of enlightenment isn't the full story, there are vertical levels to consider.

@Outer is that it? No? No other word? Just... "no"?

@Outer in light of this there is a good argument that the brain creates consciousness?

@lmfao I'm in the process of writing you a massive reply. But it takes time and I don't want to focus on it constantly. It will be on your oroginal post which we spoke on not even 24 hours ago.

Sorry, but isn't the word narcissist a label?

@Ether I sense that you don't want to understand, and that anything I say at this point you might well defend against using your knowledge of what you have learned so far. Am I correct? Until you come to the point where you're willing to learn and listen and take in what's being said, there is not much point discussing it. This is not set in stone, but I don't see you're ready to let go of concepts and labels because you're dognatically defending against them. If you study development you will see for yourself that this is what's happening. I dont say this to criticise you, just to tell you my perspective

@Leo Gura Hey leo, can you please do a video titled a rant against the rant against concepts? Thanks

@Ether cant help humanity evolve unless we evolve first and that's what we're doing here. We should remove the speck from our own eye before attending to brothers eye

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@Chrissy j hi Chrissy, I think you answered your own question

@MarkusSweden but can you dig deep into it? It doesn't exist, well it does, but there is no data on it. It's going to always be difficult to pinpoint stages that are post discursive. The best thing to do is keep inquiry going and discover it for yourself

@MarkusSweden Third tier is indigo, violet, ultraviolet and clearlight Coral is another name for yellow. There are two stages in 2nd tier and 4 stages in 3rd tier

@MarkusSweden There are none. They are all speculative. Aurobindo has free books you can download on the internet. There is some research on it, but you have to pay for those papers. I'm not sure how detailed they are.

@Saumaya Think of turquoise as the dark night of the soul. It's a middle way between understanding that your world is made up of purely arbitrary constructs and experiencing the freedom that comes with that knowing, and also still attempting to come up with ever more elaborate systems and maps to try to explain that experience. As soon as you create a story about the world and who you are you more or less immediately follow it with deconstructing it and this is followed by another attempt at making even more elaborate meaning. You could say Leo is there right now, he's trying still to conceptualize non dual experiences. Yellow has the power to author it's own reality but turquoise knows that even self authorship is a story and is beginning to see the pointlessness of self authorship. Turquoise is the first construct aware stage. Stage meaning it's an actual developmental milestone rather than just a bunch of experiences.

@Sparkist don't get me wrong. I don't known what you're getting at, but just to cover my ass I am just giving my opinion on what i think . I'm definately not dictating the law here. Just disclosing how I think

@How to be wise I never meant to come across as underestimating it. I said it's powerful. But wanted to draw your attention to the fact that you sound like an infomercial. I wanted to hear your personal experience of it .

Is that true? Is that really true? What does the belief I like byron Katie's work feel like? Who would you be without the belief I like byron Katie's work?

@Sea cognitive line is in Green, but other aspects are dragging behind - self, emotional, interpersonal?. Some shadow sub personality? Check out the Wilber coombs matrix for more info on lines of development. That really screws people up! And taking spiral dynamics too seriously (of course!)

@How to be wise are you saying that it actually worked for you? In my experience self inquiry into thoughts is really powerful, but what you're saying in your original post reads like a bit of an infomercial Is it working for you so far?

@cle103 I'm not well versed on this, but Ill attempt to join in your discussion. If Prana was destroyed by preparation, wouldn't conventional store bought food be devoid of Prana also? Oranges and beet can be stored in cold storage for up to a year before they hit the stores. Would it be best to buy local and seasonal if Prana was a priority? Food for thought