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@Leo Gura Leo, what would you recommend to men in terms of pick up who are really seeking an authentic relation? Do you use these approaches you write yourself? I am not talking about getting laid or to satisfy sexual needs. I would like to hear your opinion about authentic relations. How would you screen for a potential partner for a long-term relations? What approach would you use with her?

I have watched it. And also I read a lot of books by other teachers ?

@VeganAwake sure, thanks. Let me frame it first, then I will send you my questions, I need to contemplate a bit how to wrap it.

@VeganAwake Man, I am afraid the moderators will complain I am flooding the thread with the topic that does not pertain to the conversation about Free Will.

@VeganAwake Thank you for your advice. It is very informative. I have couple of questions, though....do you mind answering?

@VeganAwake Thank you so much for your answer ❤. Never heard about Helen Schucman, thank you for sharing a nice quote. I really truly believe I am not a doer, however, desires of mine drive me crazy. IF, I can not change anything what is the point of wishing, right? Just take your life as it unfolds without any expectations. Live it in the present moment. I understand it with my mind, but not with my heart. Because deeply I want to realize something and I can not let it go. As soon I start to suppress it, subconscious mind delivers my desires in my dreams. This is so annoying. This creates suffering. I am so tired of this. I want to surrender and let it go. But from time to time, I start daydreaming about my desire and it takes me into the land of the mind constructions, stories, false beliefs and so on. I want to be free from my desires. I also know that there is only one way to this Freedom, and this way is Enlightenment. I just hope by the end of my life somehow I will achieve it. Perhaps, you would tell me ( as in your prior topics you told other people) that I set a time frame for this event to happen and I should not do it. Anyway.... How lucky your are to see through the prism of this silly illusion❤.

@VeganAwake Thank you very much for all your wisdom. I was reading some other posts by you and have a question. Before you became liberated, have you ever felt that since you were not a controller, this is no point, all this is so funny and does not make any sense. Honestly, it feels so lonely and depressing for my so called "illusory ego". I feel like a fool. All meanings are lost. I am not enlightened yet to grasp it with my little brain, but I am not interested to feed my ego with various stories either. This is ridiculous how much of importance we want to put on our meaningless existence. Thank you for your time and answer.

@Leo Gura Just done with my class this week. I took Multidisciplinary Studies this semester . The funniest thing is that everything I learned from that class was not knew to me because I heard every single concept from you prior taking that class. Thank you, Leo. I don’t want to sound like fan but it is really up to us how to use the information you give in the videos. Personally, your information helped me a lot, and I applied some of it for the university. Really loved that video you posted about Chomsky. There is so much to learn from Actualized.org. Hate when people are bitching about it. hell, it does not have to be all about Enlightenment at the end!

@TrynaBeTurquoise I had about seven lucid dreams in my life. It was very unique experience. I noticed one peculiarity, when I maintain awareness during the day or on a regular basis, lucid dreaming becomes a byproduct of this awareness, even when I go to bed. Also, I was lucid dreaming after valuable spiritual insights or progresses in my self-development.

@Leo Gura thank you Leo for your answer and for your hard work.

@Raptorsin7 I know you’re. ?

@Raptorsin7 I wish I can delete it somehow, let me try

Leo, can you pls explain what you mean “without touching them” ? Is it a bit closer to what Osho explains in his book “Love, Freedom and Aloneness”? But do you think a regular human being, let’s say a man who is after self-actualization, is capable to love someone unconditionally, truly? Without mixing his personal agenda and emotions into a true manifestation of love? Thank you ?.

Absolutely agree with you. I think the more you drive someone insane(in a good way) the better sex is, you need to suffer a bit to get what you want. Otherwise, if you don’t make effort, you really don’t appreciate it enough. But I also see where he ( Leo) is coming from. I had experience of meeting people and establish the rapport in a short period of time, it just clicks , for some magic reason. Your authentic self comes naturally and effortlessly. It is either your person or not. And who cares when you had sex, ?.

Leo, can you pls pls make a video for us about your vision of a true intimacy, like an example of the relationship of people who pursue enlightenment. I have been always wanting to hear your opinion about this. I know it is hard for you to find a counterpart who meets all your standards , but what is that woman you would like be with? I am sorry for asking such a private question. I always wanted to know this, what other man that like you prefer? What does this woman need to have to attract a philosopher?

@Leo Gura I love you, Leo . Very straight forward and no BS. Second date, hah? I thought men did not like girls who are an easy game. ? but, yeah, you are special. My only thing is that even if I am crazy about man, I still need time to get used to him( to his body and smell). The more you wait, the better chances are for a passion. What about mental connection?

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@Angelo John Gage only 3

@Bill W Used to work in Insurance. I have one BS in Marketing, working on another BS in Leadership, then will work toward my MIT masters in supply chain. Will get back to the workforce next year.

@Marinus yep I know, been there, done this.

@Marinus see, it is hard to say because in Ukraine when woman pays for herself it means she sets boundaries, as she is highly independent and not fully yours. In Belgium and US it is absolutely normal. But this might be a signal as well. She doesn’t want you to invest in this relationship yet and there are plenty of reasons for this. Guess we will find out.

@Marinus I agree with Natasha. Sometimes women behave this way because they are uncertain about the possible outcome of the relations. Maybe she has set the limits till she is sure 100% about the future of your relations. Therefore she does not want you to get too close because she is not sure, or she might have another prospect. Anyway, wait a bit you and will find out. I would just keep the same pattern and observe her behavior. Because if she really likes you, this pattern is not going to last long. You will have to get a bit closer. Do not trust the words. You know how many men swore that they really loved me, lol. She might compliment you because she feels obliged in certain situations to say nice words, to keep the game going. The compliment does not mean anything. Actions, actions, actions! Do not get discouraged, be patient and you will find out soon. Good luck.

@Leo Gura Tolstoy was exploring this subject of suffering a lot through spiritual purification. I wonder what you think of him in terms of spirituality.

It just does not make sense to me. The way he talks, I disagree with him. I am sorry I do not have time to write as much as you do. Are you going to have a channel in the future? I've always wondered about it. Why don't you have your own channel if you have so many things to share? I do not have time to watch these videos, sorry.

@Aakash Well, if we are brutally honest, about only 1% of the people on this Earth have normal parents, but not all of us want to become revolutionists, correct? So this theory does not work. Why? Because teenagers raising other teenagers. There are few mature people on Earth. My coach and I talk about it all the time, how our society is bounded by mechanical reactions and responses. There are not very many people that are truly mindful about their motives, behavior, various mechanisms that trigger those responses. I agree that he can not know everything, he has his own mistakes. But, I feel like Joseph always tries to "trace his steps", and then flip all the info he is saying upside down. Male competition? Probably. "Given the content of Leo's stance that he's saying normal life is basically complete devilry." - this is not what he is saying. I guess it all boils down to our cognitive abilities. Joseph and a guy describe the world and extrapolate from the objective point of view, however, it is very subjective apriori. They separate the perceiver from the perception. But how can we debate about the Universe, humans, creatures and so on, if all that we know are deeply engraved in our intimate experience, therefore we know nothing that lies beyond our perceptual field? Joseph, please do not be upset about my comment