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@Breakingthewall thats why I feel proper spirituality is very practical, it should shift your life experience, align you, if not what is the point?? I don't feel those are 'my values', I feel thats why people get into it. Nobody gets into it as a medal or trophy, the human feels in someway constricted or compressed and wants to liberate itself, align itself, is a natural inevitable seeking. But he says no, I don't care about that, my point is arriving to deep states of consciousness. Ok, cool, but why call that awakening or spirituality, is lying to yourself.

@Jehovah increases that seems a lot of beliefs 'You can become so Awake'. (So you are a 'thing' that 'becomes'?) 'You know' (So you are the mind-psychological process, because thats then thing that knows and accumulates knowledge) 'You are creating reality' (So there are Two? You and the Reality that is being created)

Of course I respect your exploration of diverse or deep states of consciousness. But I wonder how is those explorations are different from the thousands trip reports on Erowid/Bluelight/reddit of psychonauts? Actualized forum is not the only place where there are people that have loved to explore the dimensions this psychedelic tools/substances provide. And as you have said, you had this states of consciousness before taking anything. In the same way There are also lots of people that never used psychedelics and also have explored as you. This people do not neccesarily are at state of evolution deeper than any other normal human. Does not neccesarily mean those people have gone beyond the usual identification, does not mean they've gone beyond their psychological drama...etc. So I think I have a strong point in saying, if your exploration is different, in what way is it? But you say it has no concrete value for yourself as in improving your life experience nor for the society...then what is it? It seems like a Medal or Trophy. Not that is wrong to achieve Trophies or Medals, but not sure if that is the point. But if you have 'fun' I guess...I am no one to tell anyone what to do. Just that is very far from what Spirituality is. And since We are in the spirituality forum I felt I had to say it. I wouldn´t have replied to your post if you have posted it in psychedelics sub-forum or self actualization sub-forum. So is not like i have something 'against' people doing this things.

Let´s see what that "Awakening" means 2 weeks from now.

@BlueOak lets be honest... the problem is not bliss or not bliss, the problem is you can not maintain the bliss. If you are able to bliss yourself out where is the space for the negative emotions? Suffering emotions can only happen because you are not Blissed out. Additionally, when you are feeling Blissful you can step into any door in reality, you can experience almost anything because the fear of suffering is no longer there... when any wind from the outside can make you tremble, little exploration will happen. Overall the issue with spiritual work is not that it does not work, is that almost nobody seems to be able to maintain it (myself include it). Additionally it seems to maintain it a certain surrender of certain things have to happen, and nobody is willing to do because there is fear and attachment...probably for most of us we have to keep seeking material stuff to go full circle and finally go back to trascendence for good. At least thats how i see it in my case

The issue is that you guys think i deny your experiences or something. I dont. Is been more than a year now since I took a psychedelic and if i take one tomorroow im sure i would have a super profound experience and similar to what the OP says. The problem is that all of that IS NOT THE GOAL!!! Experiences or realising something is not the goal!!! All of that is FUCKING MIND.

What does serve you this radical awakenings? In what way It improves your Life and/or of others? What do you think a voluntary in an hospital facility Will work best? The one Who IS able to feel within better or the one that has more friction/stress within but has accesed tremendous states of consciousness in the past? Who Will work in a farm more? The one Who does not feels little physical pain or the one that gets tired faster but has accessed incredible states of consciousness? As you see, both for society and for selfish material gains, in both cases the actual state of Being rules how you do in the world, Vs having had tremendous profound states of consciousness. I see no problem in your endeveour or Leo's. Is just that is a trick to call that Spirituality. Spirituality was always about trascending or at least mastering the unique tools the human has: an unique potent Mind and a complex body and energy system that makes both suffering and joy possible, that makes both the worst wars and the most beatiful art posible. In summary, Spirituality was always about Evolution. Not experiences.

Im just trying to help people come out of this mental ramblings about God or imagination. I get my attitude was rude

@Keryo Koffa we need some memes for the Davido VS Ishanga beef!

Is normal you perceive it like that, that´s because you have not tasted the state of Being I have tasted. @Someone here When I say dissappearing I mean the limited qualities of you (mind, thought, emotion, physicality, etc). What remains is You. But that You is not consciousness nor mind nor dreaming nor manifestation nor anything you can imagine. The process is not one of reducing Life, is about eliminating all limited things you picked up. Whatever is You, it should remain even when we remove everything from you right? If we have to remove the complete dream from you, so be it, right? Whatever is temporary, we don´t care. We care only about your ultimate being. If turns out you picked up everything, we will surrender everything because anyway everything you picked it up as an identity. We want to remove the identities and see what´s left... The point is You, not the identities...so don´t be scared about all identities going away...

Reality is emptiness. Objects are emptiness, body is emptiness. A thought is Empty. Past, present, future, they are emptiness. Dimensions, God, Psychedelic trips are part of mind, dream, imagination, and ultimately relative. Emptiness is absolute Truth. When the Intelligence realizes this there is no reason to Keep Dreaming anymore.

@Davino You forgot saying you have reached higher states of consciousness...with drugs. Everybody can go to the peak taking something. I´ve said it dozens of times...actualized forum nor Leo didn´t discovered psychedelics 😂 although some people here think they had. They been around for thousands of years, if taking a psychedelic and accesing certain state of being is what spirituality is about, ashrams, monasteries, meditation tools, etc...wouldn´t exist. Humanity would have realized was popping something, smoking something, etc... is the goal. But it doesn´t take a genius to realize thats not where well being and evolution of a human is. Although some people here seem to be taking a lot time to realize that. Not long ago Leo still thought taking psychedelics over and over would amount to something and take you somewhere.

are you muslim?

If Weed would be a legit tool for spirituality people would not spend in monasterys or ahrams all their life... nor people would spend 20-30 years doing detailed complex yoga sadhana, or whatever the spirituality practice is Weed is been present in human history for thousands of years...is not something new. If it was about smoking it and realizing some God and imagination stuff, i think humanity would have already stopped building monasteries and ashrams and stop doing spiritual practices that takes decade to master...

very trustable, you smoked a plant and you think you understand Reality. Lol. This forum kills me.

Because i´ve tasted how it feels to dissappear and is more blissful than all mdma and psychedelic and sex and cocaine and party and having a child, etc together. Once you drive a Lamborguini Aventador how can you settle for a BMW? Please tell me. BMW is fun and great, but once you taste something tremendously higuer then, well, the seeking can not stop. Watch the video and everytime you hear that V12 screaming remember when I talk about Liberation i don´t talk about denying or decreasing Life...I´m actually talking about Raising it to the higuest possibility of existence...

@Someone here i didnt say forever. But is good to have a break and change landscape. Consciousness is not inmortal. Consciousness needs a I to exist. Mahasamadhi is imploding Yourself as Pure energy in such a way there is not even an "I" left. 🩵🩵🩵

You say that because you are not doing serious sadhana... Laws of themodinamics can Only exist if you exist...

If im completely honest I absolutely have 0 attachments in Life other than the fucking missing hole I have in my relationship with women/dating. If that would be solved/cleared up, I would have absolutely no problem in going to a cabin in the mountains, meditate/do yoga 12 hours a day and peacefully let death enter me, 0 drive for creating anything or achieving anything material. Really. Like sure I enjoy potent cars, luxury designer clothing, travelling, but is like I have no issue surrendering that for the bliss and deep state of consciousness. I would not hesitate in surrendering that. But the thing about relationship with the feminine, something that is completely unbalanced, I can not just let go of it. I have quit sadhana for some time, I met a women some weeks ago that have completely detoured my path, or in other words it has showed me I don´t have the balls necessary for trascendence/Enlightment yet. Because I got sucked in to her and I realized I can not surrender the human illusion before I can have sex/date a woman like that. I just literally can´t. I need to experience that one day no matter the cost and I sense the cost might be fucking up my Liberation and reincarnating again. But it is what it is. Clearly the sadhana is potent enough and I could just go to the mountains and do sadhana 10 hours a day until the void sucks me in. But no, I do not have the determination and decision to do it because I can not let go of women. Lol. Maybe next life.

@Breakingthewall Is strange because just This morning I had a complete opposite perception. I sensed all Existence was alive at the same time, all Infinite Existing and Alive, a feeling of the Maximum Aliveness, a celebration of Life, a miracle. And this afternoon was the contrary, emptiness, void, absence. Probably 2 sides of the same coin? Don't worry bro, mine is too. Lol.

Hehehehe, It is what It is. 😉

sun will disappear too as God

For a woman is not so painful or not at all? Why man have a sort of crude painful reaction in regards to women they like having sex with another men yet with women they don´t care about this and they care more about emotional cheating (for example that his boyfriend has developed feelings for other girl). At the end of the day if sex is strictly about pleasure why men have this toxic attitude? Is there some kind of sexism or toxicity deeply ingrained in the social matrix about sex that makes the man see the women as 'devalued' or 'used' by the man she had sex with? I would go even deeper and say, if sex is literally only about pleasure, who cares if your gf slept with another guy or if your gf just kissed it or hugged it. Literally is just physical exchanges, why something has more 'spice' than the other? Is like in the social matrix women has some sort of value that gets diminished or preserved depending on the sex. Which makes sense because of this whole toxic culture of 'bodycount'.

I open Spotify app (or your streaming plataform of choice) and I start listening to my favorite artist music. Lets say This song was recorded 1 year ago in a music studio 900km from where I Live (for example). That music was recorded in pure consciousness, because the studio walls are consciousness and the recording software is also consciousness. And now 1 year later I am listening to that song via a phone that is also consciousness, using a streaming plataform that uses servers that are machines which are made out of consciousness. That song is recorded in consciousness or the Mind of "God", waiting for other part of consciousness (my physical body), to be receptive to that type of memory (the song), and the moment i press play i access that recording. How is this even possible? How the mind of God orquestrates itself so perfectly? I Guess this is only possible if consciousness is pure intelligence. So It does not need a brain to do all of this.

If one has to 'love oneself' or 'be the source' or 'feel grounded in your own love' to have a romantic relationship with a woman...then what is the point of having it in the first place? I ask this because, in my view, the whole point of why I seek a relationship with a woman is precisely because I start to feel love and joy when receiving his attention and 'validation', is precisely because just looking at the wall by myself I don´t feel love or joy or connection, the reason I seek relationship with women. But dating culture says I should feel within already 'complete', In order to have a healthy long lasting relationship. But the thing is, if within I already have 'that', then I don´t see any point in having a relationship with a woman at all. It just becomes another person like a friend, your mom or even your dog. What is the point? No point at all of course. I guess still can be an interesting thing to have, like yeah, you can have experiences like going out dinner, travelling, etc... but if she is not going to provide me those sweet loving feelings (because lets remember, in order to have a relationship with her, I already have to have those 'feelings' within, if not I will be needy), then what is the point? @NoSelfSelf would like your thoughts on this!