Victor Mgazi

@WelcometoReality You still searching for meaning (truth) in a meaninglessness. Truth is thought. When the mind is silent, there will be nothing to decide what is true and what is false. And what is will be.

@WelcometoReality This is your statement "What sees the thought?" Here's my view of your statement. "Thought thought thought thought?" Do you get it? Questions and answers are one and the same phenomena of thought. Even if I gave you the answer, it would still be thought. Once the mind is silent, there is simply awareness of that. But I didn't silence my mind because I am a result of it. Love is the only way. It has always been and will forever be. It is what it is .

@tsuki nothing appears hidden. There is no other. Language is thought. Thought is thought. Understanding is thought. What is - is thought. All questions is thought and all answers is thought. It's all too obvious now, you will be surprised how you missed it. The notion of existence is thought. There is no meaning here, even this statement is thought.

Meaninglessness too is thought. All things are thoughts including the word itself. And what is is.

What it was. No statement can represent it. Words are words and phenomenon is phenomenon. 1+1 is not 2. 1+1 is 1+1 and 2 is 2. There is no meaning but the word meaning itself. Things are equal to what things are. Light is light and not image, image is image and not light. words are words Apologies for not having the ability to be the realization, I am merely words now, can you see that? What happens now is the question (phenomenon) after the enlightenment (phenomenon).

What is still is . What is in motion is in motion. Nothing started and nothing is ending (cease). Questions are questions and answers are answers. @Faceless are you, I am I. Nothing ceases and nothing begins.

There are no actions to be taken now simply because there is no longer a doer (actor). Sound is sound, scent is scent, taste is taste, sensation is sensation, light is light, thought is thought and ego is ego, words and words, etc. Is there more enlightenment or perhaps a ultimate awakening to await? Or can one leave the car now (no need for it)?

@Mikael89 I'm not at peace and I don't want to be at peace or atleast not yet. I like all the pain and pleasure associated in this reality. I'm addressing nothing but myself - the universe. But only this will make sense if you remove the person.

@Mikael89 yes you are right! There can't be any better or worse words with this, at the end they all are what they are - words. But would there be meaning in that communication? When I say it doesn't speak I mean the absolute won't be like hi there, I'm the absolute, I'm nothing so therefore I'm everything and I have infinite intelligence so it is perfectly reasonable for me to be here...blah...blah...blah lol ? "There are many teachers who say that this phenomenal world is a play, a show. I could find 200 quotes for that too but do I really have to dig them up?" Yes and some say it's a dream or a story, yeah the list goes on but what I'm trying to say here is that although these concepts exist, they exist of the absolute not for the absolute. The absolute doesn't need a story or a rationalized idea for it to be. It is what it is. Trust me, that's the last thing I want. Just ask your self why do you have to state that, "I am consciousness" If you had awakened you would be at peace. Seriously, who or what are you addressing when you say that. Nothing is hidden here. I can easily say things that are pleasing for the ego but what would be the point. I honestly love you guys

The concept of good and evil ? I assume that this is one of the ego's servants for self preservation. And with that being said, is humanity being delusional by judging and persecuting others for their actions (corruption, violence, murder, etc) and if yes then is it doomed by itself like a cancer killing it's host? Come to think about it, what could happen with an enlightened race or specie?

@Mikael89 I understand that these people are teachers so I'm not going to agree or disagree with their statements (or methods of teaching) simply because they are teachers and it's their job to teach, even if it means creating concepts or stories for the sake of people understanding spirituality when learning. I'm only asking you not to cling on these stories because they only attempt to point to the truth but not actually reveal it. You have to shift from this level of thought-stories to a more higher position where truth looses meaning then you will understand what I mean when I say the absolute doesn't speak or act, it simply IS. There's no need for a reason or justification for having things the way they are now. This "Source playing with duality,it choosing... " is really not necessary because it doesn't need a cause or reason of being. Things are the way they are because it is (this event) part of infinity. hope I made myself clear

@Mikael89 I'm afraid you will have to reflect deeper my friend. The absolute doesn't speak nor identifies (it doesn't act). When you say I is consciousness that implies there is something it is not. The ego is part of the universe and the universe is part of infinity. There's no person here, just experience (now). Let's not create stories for the sake of understanding consciousness intellectually other wise this might as well be a religion.

@Mikael89 "I am consciousness." "my mind... " Can you see how the ego is trying to expand itself? All these personal pronouns - as long as there is identification going on there will not be awakening any time soon. Just mere beliefs.

@Stretch@Mikael89 Careful not to mistaken intelligence for consciousness, they aren't the same thing. Your ability to learn (acknowledge things) has nothing to do with being conscious. Remember that you are only a biological machine and like other technological machines (computers) you can acquire knowledge but that doesn't mean you are conscious of it, it just means that you have intelligence which is necessary for our survival as a species . Of course the intelligence is not really your's since there's no person to possess it, it belongs to the universe.

Guys the notion of an experience and an experiencer is the product of dualistic thinking. I have tried to explain this but it seems like people aren't getting it or I'm just bad at explaining. Experience is objective, it's the experiencing that I'm referring to - the now. And it's neither direct or indirect because that would be a duality which is again the product of the dualistic mind that is occurring in the movement of time. And also the past, present and future are things which only exist in the now (experiencing), this is all about relativity. The past and future can only exist relative to the present because once perceived - it becomes a present phenomenon. Experience is the nature for information so it requires that which cannot be experienced to be conscious of it and that would ultimately be nothing (that which is not of existence or information) . The experiencer is something thus of information.

@Stretch I think you missed my point. Awakening is not about ending the dream ,you can't end something that has no beginning. It's simply about being aware of the dream, the same way you would be aware in an actual dream that you are dreaming so even if you get shot(or be held at gun point) in the dream that wouldn't matter to you. Awakening is not suicide or death, it's the realization that there is no one to commit suicide or die. Similar to the way that there's no one to get shot in the dream. Everyone (including you) in that dream are happening in your head and even in this reality. You are simply part of the dream and once you awaken you will still be part of the dream because you only exist in this dream. Even the concept of a truth is part of the dream, everything you know is part of the dream! So yeah you can choose to be conscious of that or not. Maybe you like all the pleasure and pain in this dream so do what you will. It's very simple.

@Stretch I'm not going to tell you that spiritual enlightenment is a good thing as that would be a mere opinion so really there is no reason for you to pursue this so called enlightenment. But what I will tell is that your current reality is like a dream and everything you know or believe in is of this dream. You have a choice of awakening or staying asleep (unaware) . You are an intelligent organism so you can learn about things that won't have any significant effect in your survival but remember that even your suffering and pleasure is of this dream so yeah it's up to you really.

Yes many things are born of fear but something like sincerely feeling bad for other people's misfortune can be hard to linked with fear.

@Charlotte yeah I get what you are saying but now I'm only wondering why. So helping others makes us feel better but for other people, killing can have the same effect in terms of self fulfillment and so I'm thinking that the hole must go deeper. My view was that it's all about self image but what if I'm wrong. If me killing people instead of helping them can bring about the same fulfillment then compassion must have a deeper source of being (existing) regardless of whether we are conscious of it or not. If sympathy for example was serving the ego's self image (fulfillment) then why can cruelty have the same effect for people who are considered psychopaths for instance. So what is the cause for this compassion to come about...? Self gratification couldn't be the only cause for reasons stated above hence I think that the ego has a lot of self deception at work which is leading to a strong deluded state. i hope this makes sense

How does compassion serve the ego or does it serve a higher purpose perhaps for a collective ego such as humanity? I find this very tricky to answer so I would like to hear other people's view on this before I draw a conclusion.

@Zweistein Are you serious? How is that even possible, I mean I can understand that the brain will rewire itself as a result of spiritual practices but could that be the extent of it, experiencing nothing? I'm not sure if it was the absolute that I experienced but I'm pretty much certain that it was the closest experience of ego death that I have ever had. It felt like real death to me but without any physical pain. Just anxiety due to fear.

@ZweisteinZweistein how often do you have lucid dreaming? Guys why is love so scary towards the ego? I ask because after some lucid dreaming I became awake but the body was still shut down so it was a temporary sleep paralysis. I didn't mind it though because I have experienced it in the past before. I just thought to myself that this is the perfect time for meditation since the body is already relaxed / resting. The room was dark and this happened around midnight. I surrendered myself to pure being but then I quickly regretted it in a shock of fear. It was the scariest thing I have ever experienced. It was like when I decided to let go of my sense of self there was nothing happening anymore like time had stopped, it felt like I was just being consumed or engulfed by total emptiness, and oh my word it was so dark I swear you could even feel it. It's like I was drowning in pure darkness and emptiness, it felt like death and I just couldn't, I ended up resisting it completely, I was literally fighting to wake up with my body but there was no sensation but I didn't stop until I woke up. Honestly that was scary and it made me doubt why should I continue with this work. It was so weird! Like nothing was happening, it was just complete stillness of everything, I mean there wasn't even space - no perception of a here and there, I was literally nowhere at all. And I'm thinking, this has to be death starring you in the face because wow that was...I can't even word it out. I'm sorry but I had to stop it, that was insane, I feel like letting the ego live it's better than starring death in the face. Wow!

@Zweistein oh yeah , I meant it like we shouldn't beat ourselves down . It's a general advice for other readers too but yeah it is unbelievable.

Yes bacteria is real, yes it's true that they exist but only if that's what you have deemed, like I said it's a matter of perception thus not objective. I could literally stare at an apple and consider it unreal because I believe in something that rejects it's existence. So think about it, what decides that something is true or false? An experiment? Then what decides how an experiment proves something to be true or false? Critically analyze this and you will find that it's all based on the perciever. How a practical investigation proves something to be true will be based on beliefs. For example, seeing is believing - this old paradigm is no more than a belief, a product of the perciever.

Whatever you do, just be careful. A dream can simply mean what it is - a dream. Whatever decisions you make, make sure they are completely rational so that you don't live to regret anything. my opinion by the way