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True some very dark songs out there but there are also many deep songs that talk about overcoming limitations and fighting for what's right. These are some of my favorites:

Yeah I would read first The Truth by Neil Strauss and then The Setup by Dan Bilzerian. The truth is not as talked about as his first bestseller the game but it's much better imo. He talks about the next few years of his life after becoming a famous pickup artist and how it led to unstable relationships and him cheating on his wife. He talks about finding ways to reconcile his polyamorous desires with the hardships of a monogamous framework. He went to therapy and tried all kinds of alternative lifestyles for a while to ultimately integrate his life cohesively and build a lifestyle that works for him. Neil is such a talented writer, I read the 400 pages in like 2 days. It reads like a narrative fun story more than a self-help book and is funny but also has some really deep lessons in there. The Truth is in my top 5 books of all time, I would say it's a must read for all single people men or women. He takes all the valuable dating dynamics from the pickup industry and removes all the darkness of the red pill energy for a read that enthralled mainstream audiences. I think he's one of the best authors of the 21st century. The Setup talks directly about building a massive social circle and the media infrastructure to sell it. It's also a deep life story about Dan and his upbringing and it shows that contrary to lazy stereotypes, he's a very smart and well thought out man. He hired the up and coming videographer Jay North to document his life and make him the icon that he is today whereas before he was pretty unknown. He talks more directly about how to get laid and build mutually beneficial alliances with women.

That's the difference between building your social circle and joining anothers. A leader dictates the social boundaries of his community. Also notice where the value component comes into play here. People gather around religion because it's the lowest common denominator. Building a music based community is a superior construct because it doesn't require uniformity to hold. It's based on mutual interest and aligned incentives. I don't lie in anyway to maintain my social circles. I talk basically exactly the same as I do here. I talk about wanting multiple wives, my thoughts on cryptocurrency and my favorite anime at my events. Of course in a calibrated way but it's a completely different ball game. I basically have a gambit around polyamory in regular conversation now lol. If a girl is like that's weird or idk why you want multiple wives I say "We can all agree that women are great. Of course I'd want multiple girlfriends. The question is why don't you? I think you should get a girlfriend too. Isn't Ally here great? Let me introduce you." It turns into playful banter with an undertone of sexual tension. I haven't yet managed to turn one of these conversations into a threesome but getting pretty close lol, the girls usually love it and giggle. @AION Totally agree.

Of course, you've just started to dip your toes into the basically infinite pool of status based game. I'm excited for you. Do you think Hugh Hefner built his empire in 3 days? Yet it fuelled his dating life until his 80s. Cold approach as the basis of a dating strategy is like walking across your city approaching random people for jobs instead of attending networking events, or posting on job hunts sites(online dating) or building your own business over time(building an intentional social circle with a media component so it scales endlessly.) If you attend one open mic monthly and after like 3-4 months host your own and then reach out to videographers in your area to shoot music videos AND still cold approach in the meanwhile, I guarantee that in September 2027 your dating life will be solved. I'll bet you $100. The power of combining cold approach and social circle is you've become a whole community now. Don't get me wrong I still got laid when I wasn't hosting events and just invited bored chicks to drink by the lake but now I invite them to photoshoots or music events or food events and even if they don't want to date/sleep with me we can still become friends and add value to each others lives. Plenty of chicks with fiances and husbands came on my podcast and still increased my status and I gave them a platform to express themselves and share what they were working on. That's the power of the win-win and building power and impact as a man so that you can help others achieve their goals while still building the dating and sex life of your dreams.

Yes utilizing an unoptimized dating strategy is exhausting, I'll give you that. Especially as you don't get results for your efforts and you start to doubt both yourself and the method. I called it a limiting belief because you formed a conclusion without asking questions. A social circle is not merely a friend group, it's a group of acquaintances and collaborators who you mutually help reach goals. I ran a music event across the country on Thursday evening and it took me about 1 hour to organize from my laptop and 4 phone calls. Where is the exhaustion? Girls that I haven't seen in months that are still in Calgary attended under my brand. Girls that I'm courting here in Montreal saw the footage and now my status is increased. Of course trying to cut down a tree with a butter knife is exhausting, that's why I've been warning people here against a cold approach based dating strategy for months now lol

This is simply a scarcity mindset and a limiting belief my friend. What else can be more valuable in life than spending your time and energy building a power social circle of aligned individuals that can support you in reaching your goals? I've already suggested to you that you should build a music community where you are and that will support both your rap career and also eventually give you massive amounts of dating opportunities. Social circle game is very powerful because it fulfills both the male and female dating agendas at once.

I couldn't agree more.

@yetineti It started when I told another user to ignore you because you argued in bad faith and didn't seem serious. You took offense, demanded my attention, and pushed for this debate. I gave you the chance—you picked the topic of your own personal worth, celebrated that you "trapped" me, and now you're building exit ramps before Sunday even arrives. If you withdraw after asking for the mic, that’s your right, but backing out now just confirms everything I said about your avoidance patterns. The stream goes live Sunday at 8 PM EST. Show up and stand on your words, or don't. @Valach Testing ideas through genuine, open debate is one of the highest pursuits we have—it only becomes an ego trap when anonymous posters hide behind text screens to posture rather than standing on their convictions in real life.

@Breakingthewall That mutual dependence is real, but history shows economic entanglement doesn't make major conflict impossible, it just raises the stakes. Europe in 1914 was more financially integrated than ever before, and everyone thought the cost was too high right up until the spark caught. Globalized supply chains create fragility just as easily as they create deterrence. When domestic pressure, demographic decline, or resource bottlenecks squeeze powers too hard, rational cost-benefit calculations tend to break down fast. Let's hope the system holds, but betting everything on perpetual rational stability has historically been a risky gamble.

@Joshe I honestly thought it would've been rude to make the entire thread an audit of his personal worth, but he explicitly insisted on it. What can I say? The customer is always right 😂

@yetineti I framed the title as an inquiry into male value in good faith, specifically to avoid putting you through a personal cross-examination on a public broadcast. Since you explicitly insist on making the topic about your personal worth and what you contribute to the world, I'm happy to honor your terms. We will examine the exact mechanics, standards, and real-world evidence of that value. That conversation happens on the stream, not through a written pre-debate on a message board. You asked for the mic, don’t backtrack into forum essays.

There is no revision. When a product offers no value to a consumer, nobody is claiming the object ceases to exist at an atomic level—it means it fails to produce a functional benefit, and maintaining it costs more than it delivers. That is what a net drain is. You’re taking this far more personally than it was ever meant, but it worked as intended: you are supposed to want to produce value, and you are supposed to fiercely defend your ability to do so. When I challenge people like this, I don’t want them to collapse into victimhood—I want them to push back, build competence, and fight. I’m not here to be your caring mother. I’m here to share what I’ve learned about how the world actually operates and challenge men to step up in ways that genuinely matter to society. I think it's good for them, good for the women in their lives and good for our species as a whole. You conceded that "low value" isn't a mathematical zero. Good. That leaves only the real question: does what you produce actually create abundance and solve problems for anyone, or does your existence simply consume bandwidth while breaking even? Bring your case to the stream on Sunday at 8 PM EST. Let’s see what that value looks like off the forum.

There is something terribly pathological about Reddit mods. It's like its the only power in life they've had and they love to ban people for any slight deviance from the subreddit hive mind. It used to be better years ago but as I think these people have grown into their position the standards for conversations have dropped more and more. I can't think of a worse place on the Internet to have a serious conversation. When people complain about AI slop it's one of the examples that comes to my mind in terms of much more useless human slop.

I don't think you understand how arguments work so I'll give you a hint. Low value does not mean absolute zero; it means failing to meet the baseline standards of competence, agency, and leadership that define a high-impact man. A penny has value, but you can't buy dinner with it. If your strategy is gonna be to prove to us that you're worth at least a penny then I think indeed you will manage to do that. If that satisfies you in terms of your own existence then I will say you've already lost long before we ever exchanged a single word.

You literally talked about 'saving the world' and playing power games—semantics aside, the implication was obvious. Save the rest of your psychoanalysis for Sunday. Let’s see how your standalone points hold up live on air.