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Well the point is that a lot of religions portray God as male being who's judgemental and stern and doesn't have feminine qualities. The feminine aspect of divinity is usually attributed to Nature. The idea behind saying that God is non-binary is that it possesses both masculine and feminine qualities as well as beyond, whatever you wanna call that identity plus the transcended quality of being also everything in existence and thus not confined to any category.

No, I didn't ignore your point; I'm rejecting the premise behind it. It's setting up a false binary where platonic friendship is treated as the noble goal, while sexual attraction and polarity are downgraded as shallow or hedonistic. Like I said I think it's an interesting and valuable idea to think about if you truly appreciate this the person you're dating and would hang out with them beyond sex but overall subtracting attraction to test whether a romantic dynamic is valid doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

@Valach Be careful with conflating interesting ideas with actual reality and what makes relationships function. If you removed all the attraction and sexual polarity from relationships then your best bet would be to date and marry your buddy or another one of your good male friends. You're free to do that if you desire but at least still fuck them otherwise you'll both live a more bland existence than you need to It's of course important to enjoy spending time with the partners that you invite into your life as sex is just a tiny part of life even if you have it daily but if you remove polarity from relationships you rob them of one of their best aspect. I'm reminded of the religious people trying to sanitize everything for fear of our animal nature. There's a massive aspect of spiritual bypassing that's behind thoughts like this. Being horny animals enjoying our biological nature is one of the best parts of life both sexuality but even in terms of other aspects of sensuality such as food and music. Wouldn't you know it, some religions precisely ban dancing and music to their followers.

That reaction is a classic tell. When people get aggressively moralistic about what consenting adults choose to do behind closed doors, it’s worth asking a simple question: do you actually have an abundance of high-quality options in your own dating life, or are you just masking your personal scarcity and frustration with righteous outrage? Shaming people for building unconventional, fulfilling dynamics is usually just a coping mechanism for a mediocre dating market experience.

You haven't really thought this point through bro. Most animals spend every waking moment looking for food, fighting predators and die after a few years of this stressed existence. Look at wild animals in your city like qquirrels or birds, they are so stressed if you look at them and move your hand quickly they will run away because their system is in 24/7 fight or flight. This is the ideal lifestyle you're putting on a pedestal? Nobody is stopping you from leaving civilization today and going to live in the woods. Do it and try to talk other people into doing it with you, they will probably laugh at you because the lifestyle they are BUYING by working a job and being part of modern society is far superior. This is the danger of Stage Green entitlement that throws all stages before it out of the window and just ignores all the progress that was made. The fact that you can work 6-8 hours 5 days a week and live in apartment isolated from all extreme weather and buy any food that you want from all corners of the world is an insane level of development and luxury. Just because all your needs and wants are not taken care of without effort you cannot reduce our society to slavery lol, that's once again insanity and bad epistemology. I will play along with your point and add that in 50 years from now when humanity is free from forced labor and we have AI UBI that allows everyone to focus on their life purpose and socialization instead of basing their life on career building that we will look at our life today as stressful and "dark ages" like but definitions are important and you are not a slave my man. That's the victim mindset sneaking up on you as probably you are starting to get tired of walking the streets doing pickup as a male who's a peon in his society. Didn't I tell you this would happen months ago? Social circle game and social media game allows you to build social capital and start to make the forces of society work for you instead of against you. Trying to build a high quality life without a high quality network and media leverage I'm sure feels like trying to empty out a lake with a bucket. You don't have to life that way though; you chose that yourself. The very fact that you have the option to adopt a superior strategy and gain much better results is the precise proof that you aren't a slave apart. You could say that a lot people are "slaves" to the ineffective mental paradigms that most of society is brainwashed with and end up with their life being mediocre as oppose to phenomenal. That's not slavery though that's mostly a lack of critical thinking, ego and a lack of research into the most effective ways to achieve your goals.

Yes, relationship models and the social norms built around them have formed around biological windows of reproduction since the start of our species. It's why people are having less kids than ever now since at any time before 200 years ago, most humans lived in rural places where having tons of kids meant free labor on the farm but in cities they switch to being liabilities. The new big change that's coming soon and will allow for all kinds of new relationship models to develop is fertility technology. Pretty soon humans will be able to have peak health babies at any age even 60-80 years old and life extension will make it so 60 years and above have the same life quality as 25 year olds. That's cool man, thanks for sharing. How did you enjoy your time with her and how long did it last? @something_else Yeah those are fair points, I'm sharing from what I've seen and others will have another experience of life and dating circles. I think it depends what type of relationship framework the younger person is interested in. Some people like the two soulmates figuring life together type of story and some others build their life more intentionally to reach the goals they have. I think for a lot of more ambitious younger women dating a more established man will be a more attractive option over a college bro.

You think the peak of life at 18 years old is attending college parties? I guess it depends on which city you live in but when I was living in Toronto nightlife was pretty mixed in ages from 19 to 50(legal drinking age in Ontario is 19.) You would see 19-22 year old women in clubs, dinner parties, yachts, fashion events, etc mingling with women and men in their 30s and 40s. I think some smaller towns and cities operate with this idea that young adulthood is for idk taking shots and doing keg stands and your 30s are when you go to weddings and plan board games with your grown up friend circles but in big cities that's not what I've seen at all personally. Usually it takes many years to get access to upscale events and circles or a lot of money so dating someone younger lets them experience a fun lifestyle that they wouldn't have access to otherwise; it's not really about being the +1 at boring events.

I think you're hinting at some truth but you bastardize the notion of slavery and rob it of all meaning. The whole point of slavery is to monopolize all the value that a human creates through threat of extreme violence. Calling a well paying job that lets you enjoy life on your terms, quit at any time and reinvest your money in whatever you want slavery is insanity and bad epistemology.

Are you implying that western nations don't meddle in other country's affairs?

They aren't just arbitrary human inventions, masculine and feminine are fundamental strategies of creation, reproduction, and identity. If you look at God as infinite creative potential, it can generate and express itself through a masculine strategy, a feminine strategy, or a pure existential genesis strategy which is creating directly out of sheer being without needing biological polarity at all. Because it encompasses all of those modes without being confined to any single one, it is inherently non-binary in its expression while still surpassing every definition we try to put on it.

Hierarchies are awesome, as long as the floor is reasonable. Creations that are of superior quality should be elevated over the more standard ones otherwise we lose so much nuance in life. I really started to notice this when I put more effort into systems that I was building and could both see the people that put even more than me in their systems and they were working much better than mine and those that put less effort than got fewer results or none at all. If there was no hierarchy you could put the next 10 years working daily on a life purpose and building it to be as beautiful as you want and you would get no more results than someone just drugging themselves and drinking for 10 years. That's part of the result that communists unintentionally create through their aim at equality. Equality of opportunity vs equality of outcomes is an important distinction to think about.

Why? If they are down and the man is down then the judgemental party is the one that's stuck up and projecting their limiting beliefs unto others if we are to look at it rationally it seems to me. This part. 80 is pretty extreme but I don't see why a man in his 30s and a woman that's 18-21 couldn't have a functional relationship. Why do you think that's close to impossible? @Zenterus Totally agree on living life on your terms and building a lifestyle that appeals to you and the right people will be attracted to that.

Yes precisely. I'm all for holding people accountable and making sure society moves in the right direction but if we're gonna accept scrutiny into what happens into consenting adult's bedrooms then there are a lot bigger questions we should ask ourselves as a society. That's cool, thanks for sharing! Do you mind elaborating a bit on how that was for you? Was there an element of mentorship involved in the dynamic, that's a cool aspect of age gap relationships that can be enjoyable and beneficial for both parties I think. Also why did it end? @Valach What do you mean by this?

To be an effective human being, you should learn to produce outcomes and not obsesses over the tools that produce them. Of course making it a binary all or nothing in either way is a bit silly but I can assure you that when I was running my photoshoot business and made tens of thousands of dollars through it, I didn't use much(none actually) arithmetic to be able to conduct my business. I do think children should have more business and practical life skills classes and less theoretical classes on subjects that people at that age don't care about and mostly forget and never use beyond having a general understanding of the world. If that was the case we would all grow up to be much more effective members of society.

This is a pretty big conversation happening online right now that was started by James Talarico saying this as a provocative statement in 2021 and it being used against him unsuccessfully in the midterms. What's really cool about it is a lot of Christians are taking the side of indeed God being non-binary and being above gender which deeply offends the other half of Christians. One of the VeggieTales founders (a christian show) has been on the side of why would God have a gender and it's taken the internet by storm. https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1xtwylj/veggietales_creator_says_god_is_not_male_in/ https://x.com/philvischer/status/2118761462646575207 I remember Leo talking about one of the greatest joys of doing self-development work is seeing how it intertwines into the grander narrative of the world and I find this case to be a cool example of that. I really enjoy the non-dual idea that dualities are illusory and will eventually collapse and it seems that surprisingly the Christian world itself is putting God through that test. Proud of the lot of them that are using epistemology to assess their faith. A lot of these ideas have been taboo to discuss for basically thousands of years so this is a testament to the value of social media that lets all kind of uncomfortable topics get discussed at scale.