LordFall

I think you're putting fulfilment on a pedestal(which is not the definition) and taking it to mean after you've done X thing you will not have achieved fulfillment in all aspect of existence and nothing else will matter as you're now ultimately fulfilled. I think we can perhaps come back to common ground and agree that a relationship with toxic communication where the partner's aren't able to talk to each other and have an healthy sexual relationship will be less fulfilling than a relationship where both partners have worked through their communication and emotional issues and are able to have a fulfilling sex life full of adventurousness and openness. There are many levels to the quality of a relationship, surely you agree with this? If we're arguing semantics and you wanna use another word than fulfillment then we can use contentment or satisfaction. Contentment: A deep, lasting sense of peace and being "enough." I think it's totally possible to find a relationship that satisfies your relationship needs(whether that relationship is with one or multiple, I am polyamorous to your point but still lol) and then focus on other areas of life. Especially we consider infinity and spirituality then being ultimately content forever is impossible that means that your fulfillment is limited. To be infinite it has to be continuously pushed further unless you ultimately aim to reach cessation and basically spiritual suicide. I don't know if you're a tech optimist and futurist but we could take this conversation much further and bring biological immortality into it. To be "fulfilled" now you just have to be in that relationship for like 50 years get your kids and grandkids and die. It seems like we're soon gonna massively extend lifespan and now relationships will exist on a timeline of hundreds of years and not just a marriage based on childrearing.

No worries thank you for engaging. I will say I think you're underestimating how much woman want casual sex. Very common for women to fuck a guy knowing she'll never date for just temporary companionship and sexual fulfillment. I had a friends with benefit I saw for 3 months and eventually she texted me hey I'm starting to see this guy more seeing gonna see where this goes. They've been dating for like 3 years now. No bad blood from either party we had good times and went on dates even she would hangout with me and my friends but we were ultimately not compatible. I would also go as far as to say fucking me probably helped find her relationship as she could experience a man and know what part she enjoys and doesn't and what she wants in a long term companion. Where is the deception/toxicity in that? I would also go as far as to say the anti sex position is inherently negative and toxic. In many parts of the world that girl would've been shunned by her family and abused verbally if not physically for having casual sex with me. And the red pillers will say she has a high body count and is ruined forever now? lol Be careful with how you think about sex and dating, the shaming of it is one of the biggest cults in the world currently that ruins people's lives.

It's also important to not conflate getting laid with having a high quality dating life. If you prioritize pickup for a while you will get results. You will still probably be broke without a purpose. Having and living your potential through a mission/business that matters to you in a way that enriches with the one woman or many that you like and you're compatible with while travelling and seeing the beautiful world that we share is a completely different thing. That's what I would call the evolution of game and pickup = lifestyle design.

My man fulfilment means to achieve a goal that one set out to do. If you haven't been able to find a fulfilling relationship then say that and speak for yourself. Or are you just repeating Leo's post on sexual fulfilment? Have you had mystical experiences or are you repeating dogma? I apologize for criticizing you, the way you write it just not deep like you've not thought about it deeply. If you achieve God consciousness you will then seek any human action or will you seek to fill your life with relationships and activities that fulfill you? You conflate awakening and cessation that's what I mean by I don't think you know what you're talking about If I had anal sex with a woman I would of course want it again. If I was in a relationship with one or many women that would let me fuck them in the butt whenever I want to I would be fulfilled in achieving a relationship with open sexually women. After it's done I would then work on my business and work on causes that matter to me. With the beautiful women that are now in my life. I'm confused as to what exactly you're advocating for and why you're arguing with me in the first place. It seems like you don't have a point just objections. Like okay if we accept the premise that sex is not ultimately fulfilling then are you arguing for having an overall cohesive life that you've actualized towards your goals? Which I never argued against so I don't see your point. If you warn of sexual hedonism that's one thing but as I said it's a shallow point not very well thought out.

This is a wild take and I don't think you can explain it. How do you bring deception into this? If you sleep with women by deceiving them that's a projection on your part my man. I wouldn't say I'm emotional nor overreacting. I just hate to see low level commentary and discussion on a serious topic and like to call people when they say stuff that doesn't sound right to me to see if they can explain their sentiment in a way that actually makes sense or they're just saying random nonsense.

@Hojo Are you regurgitating stuff you read online or have you deeply pondered this and lived through this situation to come to this conclusion? It just seems like theory and not reality. As someone who's dated many women and had even more casual sex that's not really how I felt about the experience nor is it what I see in other men I know. Plenty of relationships are fulfilling. And I was fulfilled in them for a while until some lack of alignment and conflict presented itself that ruined the fulfillment of the relationship. It's not that complicated to find a compatible partner that enjoys sex as much as you do and to both have a mutually fulfilling relationship. You have to date a lot and introspect on yourself and work on communication skills.

You seem to air on the side of demonization of human sexuality. Do you have some trauma around it or have grown up in a very religious culture? If so you don't have to share but realize that this is tainting your view. Sexuality can indeed be an unconscious display of urges or it can be a deeply conscious process of both exploration of the self and the communion with other. Your view on it doesn't sound healthy and I'm sure it's not pleasant to live and think that way.

I think it would be valuable in a quiz format since Leo is not available to talk to all the time but an AI with the content that you could talk to is well the future of all coaching and education I believe. Be careful with simple summarization though, that's more like bastardization than a smart way to interact with the content. I once shared something from the Lean Startup by Eric Ries in a business chat that I run. One of the guys just sent me a chatGPT summary with top 5 key points from the book and said look bro i know that this talks about I don't need to read it. Needless to say that guy is struggling in business.

I don't know why you're seeming to imply that learning how to have casual sex is a bad thing but you're straight up wrong about most pickup guys being more into it over finding a relationship. Most pickup guys I know are not really into sleeping with a lot of women, just do it a few times until they find a girl they're compatible with and they like and they date them. I mean we can agree to disagree but being a loser means losing at the thing you're trying to accomplish no? Losing at your own life. Which I would argue is the case of most people that haven't put a lot of effort towards creating the life of their dreams. Which is most people that haven't put a lot of effort into their dating life.

@Valach That's fair I'm sure they have shadows of their own, I've only been to one event of such nature I gotta go back. It was very odd, I had never witnessed a man in a dressed getting whipped before. I don't like the idea of joining communities I usually build my own but it's cool to go and explore how different people live. @Hojo I think you're not wrong but it's also an untrue blanket statement. For example I used to be really obsessed about casual sex and the idea that a girl would fuck me only a few hours after meeting me. Once I did it a few times I figured out I actually hate it and I'm glad I got the validation from it but it doesn't drive me anymore. I met a girl one time that was a college student in a building which had a coffee shop that I worked at. We bantered a bit and she ended up coming to my place with a leash and handcuffs in her backpack. I was a big fan of that. You can say it's a sort of hedonic treadmill type of thing but I would counter that it was much more about having the intimacy and comfort to explore kinky stuff without fear of mutual judgement and from having read hundreds of posts on Reddit of actual married couples detailing the good and bad of their relationship, I'd say the intimacy me and that girl shared from having known each other 2 weeks is more than SOME couples that have been married for decades. Especially once you introspect on why you pursue and crave certain things sexual or otherwise I would say it's an insane thought to simply summarize the notion as humans going deeper into devilry. I would say the opposite towards divine freedom. You don't think God is a pervert?

Curious if you still feel the same way today? It's something I'm exploring lately what does self-importance mean to me and well how important is it? I could definitely not live as a hermit without attention, validation and importance. I want to feel the love of my people as they are my other selves after all. When I posted too much business stuff and didn't make my IG personal enough I got burnt out and depressed running it though so it's a fine balance.

I'm in a pretty unique financial situation right now so I think it'd be valuable to journal and document for others to witness the journey as well. I've been working on my business as a photographer and media marketer for about 9 years by now. Before then I was a semi professional League of Legends player for a bit. It's been ups and downs as my personality type is not very industrious(INTP) and struggles with work ethic and well running a business. I've been watching a lot of Alex Hormozi content lately and he explains roadblocks and bottlenecks in business so well that's its helped me make sense of my whole life and why my business has been mostly unsuccessful so far. I've made somewhere around $75,000 CAD with it over a few years which is enough to sustain me for periods of time and then I end up having to get a random minimum wage job to pay the bills for a while then quit when I think I have a cushion and the business is working and cycle repeats, like 5 times now. I do think that now I have gotten the hang of it and the new people that I'm working with will be a competent team that I can lead and shape towards a multi million dollar business over the next few years. Also I'm in a funny spot where I basically have no money currently literally basically $0 until I receive my next $500 client payment in a few days. Considering the credit card debt I have I'm definitely below $0 net worth so hopefully this is a fun journey to document. I have a Vlog series that I do as well but I'm finding a lot of pleasure in writing lately as it allows me to go deeper in my thoughts as opposed to being a bit stressed and nervous on video so both will be worth watching if you're into this sort of quest. I'm a nerd at heart, this is partly inspired by the road to commander series that happened back in the days where Call Of Duty Youtubers would document their journey from level 0 to level 70(rank commander) in Modern Warfare 2. Feel free to ask questions or comment if you have thoughts. I'm also gonna be doing this as an accountability challenge and aim to get a post up weekly, as part of what I've noticed is holding back my life is consistency! I also find cringe the anti materialism that spiritual circles seem to embrace, I believe it to be spiritually bypassing and an avoidance of learning to be a competent human being that offers tangible value consistently to other human begins so documenting this on a spiritual forum is important to me as well. I tend to be more aggressive in forum posts than I mean to but if I have to read another comment from someone on their high horse about how business and wealth are corrupt and not worth pursuing while the only reason that we are here on this forum is because Leo heavily prioritized business and marketing to free himself financially and ultimately emotionally to have the bandwith to dedicate his life to the pursuit of truth and the ascension of mankind. A pursuit only possible for a human that can sustain themselves financially without having to work for another. I believe that becoming rich is one of the most spiritual things you can do, reach the abundance the formlessless gives us ultimately but in material reality while building out our shared universe and eventually exploring the confines of the galaxy. If we're talking about life purpose I also believe I will own at least 3 planets in the future so here's my proof that it was not luck I planned it from the start boys and girls. First let's do $1M though I hear planets are expensive.

Absolutely, 100%. I love to impact the world and interact with it so power is extremely important to me. If you don't have millions of dollars your impact and leverage will be limited. I don't like to be limited it violates my happiness of life.

That makes a lot of sense. I am a gambling man though and I would bet that once you've solved the other facets of your life that you used sex as an escapism from; you'll be able to enjoy it to that same intensity if not moreso without sacrificing the other pursuits that are meaningful to you. Are there not really only two bad forms that sex positivity can take? One being forcing your desires/fetishes upon others but I would argue that's way more likely to occur in the sex negative space due to repression and lack of healthy outlet rather than in sex positive communities. Number two being that you get so distracted by sexual pursuits that you fail to actualize the other areas of your life like your business/career or your long term family goals. I mean I haven't had sex in 2 years myself because I found it a distraction from building my business and my life up to the point where I want it. My business is almost giving me location independence and financial freedom though and you better believe that once that's done the description of what I get up to will be more appropriate for an erotic novel than a forum post.

@CARDOZZO You're not a fan of sexuality?