LordFall

I mean I disagree completely, romanticizing aging is just a necessity of being stuck in bodies that break down over time. It's not because technology helps us bypass this process that growth will stop being possible. It seems also conclusive that this trend is happening so we can have this conversation again in 200 years and see if it led to the stagnation of mankind or the unimaginably beautiful renaissance that I believe will take place I agree on the core of inceldom being based on a victim mindset though. There is usually a bitterness and resentment associated to it that makes the celibacy even harder to break since people don't tend to like dating bitter people. Plenty of female incels as well that are miserable people to be around. It goes full circle to the transactional nature of dating. Being a pleasant person is a huge value giver.

I think you're right that self-awareness and knowing what you want is important. Offering value and getting value are core parts of relationships and getting a hot partner that doesn't offer much else is pretty useless. As anti-aging becomes more and more viable though beauty becomes more valuable as well since it starts to not fade over time. Depends how far down the rabbit hole you wanna go but I think there are good chances humans are able to become biologically immortal in the next 20-30 years and that will rewrite a lot of the rules of relationships as we know them. Compatibility over time will become even more important as a lot of marriages are currently built around childrearing and not really getting along as people. If we can live for 500 years+ that concept will become vital though. As well as being able to attract mates for casual sex. Incels are still fucked in this timeline (not literally for them unfortunately) and will be stuck with AI girlfriends even in a post scarcity society.

Leo Gura -> Bald Alain de Botton -> Bald Aang the last airbender and Avatar -> Bald Perhaps hair is the impediment to being able to channel peak high consciousness? Should I shave it all boys and girls? On a more serious note, let's not reduce sex appeal to wanting to impress other people. Having a hot wife because you enjoy fucking hot people makes sense, Occam's razor is a real thing. Levelling up enough to attract in demand people is hard, let's not fall for the cognitive bias of sour grapes here.

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That's an interesting framework. I think it's not the full psychological picture though. I do think some men have a trophy wife sort of psychology and are attracted to women other men find hot. There are also plenty of others and perhaps the majority that are turned off by the competitive aspect and specifically like the diamond in the rough kind of woman or man. Plenty of people are also turned off by narcissistic women who think too highly of themselves. Some others are drawn to that. I think my analysis that mimetic desire encompasses only about 30-40% of dating attraction should be accurate if we found a way to quantify it objectively. If we're talking about myself personally though I do love a slightly obsessed woman that's high maintenance like my own little princess. I would be way turned off by a woman with low self-esteem. I'm trying to think of why that is I think part of it is indeed if she thinks she's the shit then perhaps she's right but it's also the fact that low self-esteem people have all kinds of neurosis that I'm not particularly looking to deal with.

Remember don't be silly, wrap your willy.

I don't think you need to overthink it. "Hey X, came across your profile and figured we should stay in touch. If you're ever back in Y place again, hit me up. What's your number?"

@BlessedLion Exactly. It's not because some men lack the integrity to have casual sex responsibly that it's a negative concept entirely. A lot of business people are unethical, it doesn't mean we should sleep in the forest to protest against the evils of the real estate industry. Especially because we're hopefully not just doing social commentary here, there are life strategies to adopt. I've been greatly enriched by the women I've had both long term and short term relationships with. Also women benefit greatly from being attractive and appealing to the male gaze. If you take a starting point of both genders just being blank canvases then one of the best possible imaginable survival and competitive strategies would be somehow turning yourself into an object of desire for half of the population so that they are inspired to work on your behalf. Being a bottle girl in a nightclub is an entry level position that requires no experience and pays $5,000-15,000 a month in big cities. I've never heard of a bottle boy. There is such a thing as a busboy though, it's the dude that comes to wipe your table after you've finished enjoying your bottle. They get paid minimum wage and like 5% of the girls tips at the end of the shift. @Asayake That is what the discussion was about. People are saying that you should be single or currently in a relationship working towards marriage and if you're engaging in casual relationships you're either getting exploited or the one doing the exploitation. That seems like a reductive view to me. When two consenting adults date casually, enjoy each other's time, part ways respectfully on good terms, and move forward into relationships they genuinely want then to me that is an arrangement running a healthy, natural course. Reflecting on a shared past with positivity is normal emotional maturity; nobody is trapped, nobody was coerced, and nobody was infantilized. Sometimes people push on others insecurities and trauma to get what they want but to assume that this is the undermining of all casual relationships shows a massive bias and unintegrated relationship to sexuality IMO. We had a great time while FWBs, watched movies, cuddled, fucked in all kinds of crazy places, went out to festivals in the summer, she hung out with my friend group and had a good time and we kept in touch for months talking here and there while she was in her relationship. Your weird assumptions reek of resentment my friend. Have you ever had a girlfriend or FWBs before? When I was more inexperienced in my youth I was also bitter about people having an active sex life. In life there are two main options though, getting bitter or getting better. If you'd like to work on your dating and sex life feel free to elaborate on your issues and we can work on it. I used to be a dating photographer, this niche of life is my specialty.

It's often helped me to give a voice to these feelings of anxiety so I can understand what my subconscious is going through. What exactly is your mind telling through these feelings of nervousness? That you should wait and approach later? That what if other guys see you approaching? That the girl isn't gonna like you anyway? That you got other better things to be doing? That you should and and approach hotter girls? That you should wait next week to approach? Once you understand the foundation of the resistance you're encountering, it'll be much easier to overcome it.

Women need men as a collective through the state but not really individual men for the most part. That’s precisely why the percentage of single, self-sufficient women keeps climbing. If a man thinks he's "food, water, and shelter" in modern dating, he's projecting a 1950s survival dynamic onto an era where women are selecting for genuine lifestyle, polarity, and excitement and don't need basic utility.

What is the angle against the left? She's basically be institutionalized for life there isn't really another plausible outcome. Mistrial is not its gonna end like that. You think she was pressured into a trad-wife life and hated it and this was her flip out moment? It makes sense but I can't really wrap my mind around it, seems quite insane.

If you're happy and satisfied, that's what matters.

You decide your destiny my man. Most men basically quit on their own life around 40 and don't grow much past then. I think what you need is a new 24 year old GF to bring some energy back into your routine. Hugh Hefner was still seeing new chicks into his 80s. He married his 3rd wife Crystal Harris at 86 years old when she was 26. That guy was riding the wave for sure. He did a lot of shitty things, but he was truly a man of impact that shaped our culture til today. My castle will be even cooler and of course bigger than the playboy mansion ever was.

I still think you guys are weirdly thinking about casual sex. What makes you think being fully single is the only way to work on yourself? Why can't she see a guy even if it's not gonna be her forever partner? The fact that their FWB lasted for 2 years if anything tells us that there was a lot of alignment there even if they weren't compatible as long term romantic partners. Monogamy is not the only valid relationship format that works for humans. It's a very puritan view of the world.

What do you think of the holding frame concept?