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That's exactly my point. Stage green is so untenable that it cannot stand on it's on, it can only take hold in society once it integrates the lower states and evolves into stage yellow. Green is unique because no other stage really throws away the fundamental stages of society like it does. There can be functional albeit toxic societies in stage purple, red, blue and orange but green is so emotional that it believes in anarchy or like I said communism. The reason there are no green corporations is because they don't work. Coops have been tried for a long time, it's not a new thing they are just not competitive entities. To exist in reality you need to competitive against the other entities or individuals that exist in your environment and green decides its a good idea to stop competiting and thus drastically lowers its impact on society. You seem massively triggered for some reason. If you want to debate further, I'd love to. > You definitely didnt do research on that and thats okay. We are not writing research papers here. But i would just generally advise you to keep an open mind instead of being so self assured all the time. Confidence is good, but dont be a fool. Good job being condescending, I've read the whole communist manifesto and attended multiple in person communist events in different cities as I'm interested in their viewpoints and like discussing economic theory. I'm quite confident I can eviscerate you on any point you bring up regarding spiral dynamics or communism so if you'd like we can do this debate streamed live. DM me on here or on Instagram and let's set it up, I have some free time in the evenings this week or on the weekend.

I often get back injuries when working out by myself so I think I have to get a personal trainer to do it consistently and have it stick. When I was younger I hurt my back deadlifting or squatting and ever since then I try to get into working out consistently every couple years and I end up injuring myself and being in bed barely able to move for 2-3 days and then lose momentum and lose my gains and then quit it until the next time I get into a fitness motivation mood and start the loop again.

Nope. You can be perfectly happy and content and then still want to share more of your power and love with the rest of the world and step out of your bubble and keep achieving and doing more to create abundance for others and not be driven by your mental unhappiness. Once more, you are creating a false dichotomy. I wonder why you are drawn to this style of thinking? Do you feel like the pressure of the world is overwhelming and it's easier to focus on inward happiness and ignore anything communal or the collective issues we face as a species globally today?

Owen has a strange chip on his shoulder that seems to not him connect with people authentically without power games so your point on him not resonating with the more grounded environment of daygame is very astute. I think what Leo means by creepy is he's always frame battling people even where there is no need to like he never got over his teenager insecurities and sees the world as a competition 100% of the time. My Velvet Network business partner took a bunch of bootcamps from RSD and he said Owen's bootcamps were the worst because he didn't actually put in effort. It was his assistants doing them and at like 2 AM he would show up talk around the club quickly gather the guys outside, give a speech and go home and he was like why the fuck did I pay $1500 extra for this? You can see he even does it to Sartain here where instead of being warm and friendly with his buddy that he's known for 15 years he's still very cold and calculated and frame battling sartain. I think honestly Owen is a bit of a sociopath and interestingly he stayed far away from psychedelics which perhaps would heal his inner traumas and connect him with the world more. One of the clearest experiences in my life that connected me deeply to people forever since was doing Molly at a club and feeling so much love for these random people that I just considered antagonistic and judging me just an hour ago.

I never said it's the only thing I care about. Most guys will never date or sleep with an 8/10 woman in their entire life let alone a 10 so it's not a useful way to phrase the discussion IMO. The goal of abundance is to have your cake and eat it too. Both date the hottest and coolest women that you've ever met who are are also deeply in love with you and are ready to join their life to yours and make it an amazing adventure. A lot of times attractive women I find don't really have bad personalities they're just really aggressive or dismissive because they have so much options they don't have to be nice to random dudes. Some of them are still quite nice but even the mean ones if you get to know them and they respect you open up like sweet princesses. It's all about your frame and leverage. A good example I have that doesn't have to do with hotness but I was the manager of a cafe in downtown Toronto and I had women working under me and a few guys. One of the employees was really incompetent and stressful to work with because he had no idea what he was doing so a specific girl was kind of mean and bitchy to him but really she was trying to make sure that he didn't fuck up and hurt the cafe and make her job harder. That same girl when was working with me was so sweet relaxed and like a different person because I handled everything so she was able to relax in her femininity. Here is a very simple test to know if you can date 8s and above. Make a list of 20 of the hottest women you've ever seen in your entire life. They can be girls you know but I mean literally the hottest women you've ever sene so instagram models, actresses, bottle girls, onlyfans girls, youtubers ,etc. Now ask yourself are you able to even get in a room with these type of girls consistently let alone date them or fuck them or are you watching from a screen and forced to date girls in your real life that actually give you attention? It's very easy to delude oneself and that's why looksmatching is a concept, humanity has to progress and if dudes refused to reproduce with anyone but their perfect 10s we would be extinct already. We thankfully live in an era where you can obtain infinite leverage if you so desire and date whoever you want as long as you put the effort in so that's why it's an important and pleasurable quest for me.

I find naturals tend to be only good in specific environments and struggle to adapt to others especially those they don't have status in. I've had a few extroverted friends that ran laps over me in places where they knew people and were naturally charismatic and talked a lot and gathered the attention to themselves. In other places where they knew no one that I invited them to the jokes landed very poorly and it turned into a lack of calibration pretty quickly as they understand the fundamental social dynamics and how to adapt to different social environments because they just socialized by instinct. @Zenterus Makes sense its common a lot pickup coaches have an existential crisis in their 40s if they don't have other businesses or communities they're a part of. It's like an unmarried party girl in her 40s the results just start getting worse and it's hard to cope with. Roosh V was one of the funniest ones turning from a degen pickup guy to a christian to try and keep the frame. Ross Jeffries is one of the few exceptions but I wouldn't say it's aged well, pun intended.

The stay in the kitchen meme has been hard countered boys "When he has a social life, he forgot that his place is AT WORK" The nap one is actually a common one I've heard. On my podcast we had a girl who literally said that's her ick in men when they take a nap lmao like girl we are conquering can we please chill for a few moments in the day

Worst outcomes sure because divorce is not tolerated much in Islamic and other religious communities, do you have statistics for reporting being unhappier in modern marriages?

I think that's a false dichotomy. Sure, a lot of gurus just meditate at home or sit in caves and don't do much and I'm sure are blissing out and happy. To me that's a very stagnant version of a human being and a low impact life. It's not very helpful to their community or the rest of humanity. Also in terms of logistic what are we talking about here? How is the rent getting paid and food? You mean having a low stress job that let's you have an easy life and not worry about much so you can chill at home and do nothing? You're seriously gonna pitch to us that this is a great life? There is a very clear insight that starting from a baseline of internal fulfillment and not chasing satisfaction will lead to a more authentic life than just being a hamster in a wheel unconsciousy chaging stuff without understand why. Mimetic desire theory is a phenomena concept to understand here, basically most humans don't know what they want and will just default to chasing what other humans they look up to seem to be chasing. Keeping up with the joneses is one phrasing of it. Beyond that though with introspection you can connect to authentic goals and aspirations that you wish to achieve for yourself and others. I think you should be happy and then build a life purpose from that state. It's all about self-awareness and knowing what you want though, to each person his own destiny is an open path.

Go on Google doc and write your dream dating life on one page. Until you’re able to achieve it don’t settle for random chicks. When you get decent at game all kinds of chicks wanna spend time with you; it’s not about what they want though it’s about what you want. Codependency is the death of thriving. You can also date multiple girls at the same time, nobody said you have to promise to be exclusive to every girl that likes you. Just don’t lie to them and be open about what you want, which is what you write on that google doc. For me it’s to be able to have 5 wives if I desire it so dating just one chick that’s into monogamy is not in my cards and I tell them upfront. You will have a different vision of your perfect dating life but it’s the same process: having boundaries and not being a people pleaser.

I'm a fan of pieces with true horological purity so I avoid anything Swiss or too standard. Currently rocking an ultra-rare, hand-molded Polymer Calibre 1998. The movement features an integrated zero-jewel escapement, zero VPH frequency, and a 100% in-house plastic chassis. The lug-to-lug wears a bit light, but the vintage patina on the dial speaks for itself. Found it at the bottom of a Lucky Charms box I bought while shit faced day drinking, one of the other ones I was looking at talking to an authorized dealer didn't pan out so this one is my main piece at the moment.

Can you share the type of results you've gotten from taking these programs and which ones in particular lead to specific breakthroughs in your life?

They faced scrutiny by the Toronto Star(local biggest news paper in the city) and Vice news for the hidden infield type of content and they spinned it as pressuring women to give their phone number instead of mutually enjoyed game. I need to try more stuff like that, it's actually hilarious and if you have a good life setup it makes you very charming. The let's go watch a movie at best buy one and the broke jew killed me lol

You make some good meta points I think you're correct that specifically stage green is not a viable structure for a group to operate in long term. We are basically in the west already half living in a stage green society. That's what the whole DEI movement is based on. Feelings, inclusivity, reducing competition, etc. It's still split between orange and blue but there have been plenty of pure stage green organizations and groups that form in the form of hippie communes or intentional communities and they always fall apart because fundamentally stage green is anti logic due to its rejection of stage orange and thus throws the baby out with the bathwater with structures that work. Communism is the best example where it's a purely untenable idea and stage red/blue leaders co-opt the philosophical frame work to create states with it like the USSR and Cuba and end up killing the idealists that originally championed those thoughts.

I think the Mystery Method is actually sleeper op when it comes to night game. The way he merges sets leads to situational status and almost instant social proof and in venue social circle building. I went out with him one time to a fashion event, it was cool to see him in action.

You're right I gotta give them props. I just mean for me personally it wouldn't produce the life I want to stay in an office for decades and eventually have a sick insight and 50 years after my death people finally get it. INTPs synthesize concepts much easier than other types so we usually can see the vision before it's possible as making it happen through the friction of the material world is a whole other issue. Glad you resonated man. Content creation makes a lot of sense for an INTP(and anyone really) because it's not really a medium it's a tool that connects the whole human experience together in the most effective medium we've invented so far in history. It's truly fascinating and there are endless nuances you can lean from it and the ceiling is truly infinite.

Sweet man, you're killing it. That's how I first started getting result, doing it with other guys that were ahead of me and I thought their results were insane and they were so much cooler than me and I learned from osmosis and ended up throwing some mind blowing events with some of them and creating some of the best memories of my entire life thus far. Excited for your journey, I think you're gonna enjoy it a lot! Remember always wear protection. Or don't, the global demographics are looking weak we need to pump those numbers up!

100% bro. I know you said you don't like the idea of social circle game but I'll give you an easy way to use your recent free tour experience to start to scale and leverage your life. Just make an instagram group chat with all the guys that you thought were cool from that event and start gaming with them regularly. That's your own inner circle now. Then organize an event together that you can each use to pitch to girls you cold approach. You're in Amsterdam right can you a group picnic by the canal with a big speaker and make a flyer for it in 2 mins on Gemini and in 2 weeks you guys host it on Sunday and 5 guys bring 5 girls each now you not only will probably get laid from that and possibly in a threesome since the ratio is so in your favor, you have become a local community leader and started an events brand for free.

It was the first time I personally saw that you took a criticism and talked about one of your flaws without getting defensive and spinning it around into flexing about some other random thing. I don't particularly value group think, you're the one that made a post on vulnerability and then turned it into a PvP game against any opinion that criticized you and then you admitted that your MBTI types particularly enjoy social cohesion and dislike criticism so makes sense. In my opinion your premise is invalid from the start. You're conflating Stage Green emotional dumping with higher conscious integration of the spiral. I didn't tell you to not be honest and vulnerable. I simply said that's one of the many bricks that makes a relationship work in my experience. Labeling anything that calls to other aspects of a relationship you gotta provide to be attractive to a women as a man as "Stage Orange normie in denial" sounds to me like a defense mechanism to protect an unintegrated ideal. I don't think many people here are against deep, conscious relationships, our job is to audit the mechanics of how you actually build one without getting burnt out or rejected by high-value women. > What would a really conscious relationship look like to you? How would you go about building it, if there was zero or minimal manipulation at play? As I've said most of my previous entanglements and relationships fell apart in my opinion due to not being the man that I needed to be to make them work. To build my dream relationship I have already stepped away from dating for the past few years and focused on my flaws and integrating my weak character traits. Such as my coping through weed when my life gets hard instead of developing massive emotional resilience needed to build the massive life purpose I have planned for myself. I the good move of focusing on my network of communities throughout this dating break so even though I haven't focused on my sex too much my actual social life has done pretty well and I've sowed the seeds for what I want. To me this is how you integrate state yellow into your dating life. There is no need to manipulate when you have the life you want and you invite people that are aligned with it into it. Where would the manipulation lie? My base personality is a nerd and talking about niche intellectual topics. I do that all the time but I can do it from a place of having no impact in life or through the lens of intellectualizing the different fields of life I'm working on. I want to be able to connect with women authentically through this I find interesting which as an INTP are deep ideas. The more I work on my self-actualization journey the more I've met women into cosplay that I can meet in real life that come to my events and I talk to anime about. I like to talk about personal branding because to me that is the intersection of art and nerdiness, you put your vision out there and then see how others react to it and tweak it. I made a sex comedy video yesterday and posted it to my IG even though I stuttered in the first 3 seconds but I overthink it and never post if I keep reshooting it so fuck it I posted it anyway. All the girls I know saw it so hopefully that works in my favor. To me the process of becoming who I want to be and combining it with my business and brand has been living out my authentic life and idealized life purpose in actuality. It's been embodying honesty and a lot of times it's been humiliating, frustrating and discouraging but overall it's quite liberating, fun, empowering and I seem to only have reached 5% of the potential of what I'm doing so each day I become more enthusiastic about it. Just today 2 hours ago a girl posted in my Creatives chat a reel hanging out with two other girls that I all introduced to eachother. 2 of them had gotten in a massive fight last year and I helped mediate it a bit and one of them messaged me last week having issues about her relationship and I tried to pump her up and give her some confidence. To me those are authentic honest relationships with the women of the world that I'm building and incorporating into my business and that feels insanely inspiration and motivating. I can't wait to scale it further and as I become a better community manager and business man because I lack some concrete skills in that area; it should become a very good project for creatives worldwide to participate it and also integrate all the facets in my life in a stage yellow systematic thinking way. Not there yet but everyday closer brother.

Pretty wild situation, the latest escalation in Europe's refugee crisis. Except these aren't really refugees, these are apparently people organized by the government of Morocco/Israel(just from what I've read, nothing official confirming it) to pressure Spain and the EU due to Spain making a deal with Algeria to cut oil transfer from going through Morocco as well as taking advantage of a Spain Supreme court passed last month that prevents Spain from kicking out migrants that come by sea. Moroccan border security intentionally relaxing checkpoints has been confirmed. Pretty tragic situation especially for the residents of Ceuta which are basically getting invaded and left with struggle to access food as their cities are well invaded. Here is a post posted on the Ask Spain subreddit posted by a woman from Ceuta 2 hours ago. You can use browser translate to turn it from Spanish to english. https://www.reddit.com/r/askspain/comments/1vbqkv3/ceuta_ahora/ We have a lot of liberals and left wingers on this forum who will perhaps automatically side with the migrants but keep in mind there are no jobs nor resources on Ceuta to attomodate these people, even the Spanish and overall European economy is struggling. This leads to nothing but pressure on well meaning Spanish and European politician to escalate the use of force in dealing with these migrants otherwise it leads to anarchy. I do feel bad for the people being pushed towards doing this but it's not a good solution for them. The Moroccan government should prioritize vocational training and a business education for it's youth. Moroccan king Mohammed VI and prime minister Aziz Akhannouch should personally answer for this and help the moroccan youth figure their shit out. You're the king my guy use your title and status for a reason otherwise the next place they storm should be his house.

That's good. Same concept I posted in this man's thread on being antifragile vs just solid. Getting exposed on a forum for your blindspots is optimal, it's a low stakes intellectual sandbox. Then you fix it and you crush at life. Myself I test ideas here that are more radical than what I usually share and then I see how you guys react and then I post it on Instagram if it makes sense or if it's a silly take I learn from it and move on. Miguel is ambitious enough to lay out his desires in the open. That does take courage. Many people on here don't actually post anything about the desired life they want because I feel like just someone disagreeing with them is too painful to their ego.

We're gonna make it bro; somehow I actually think INTPs are one of the best types to benefit from the AI revolution since we usually understand systems; it's just the repetitively labor that's the hard part. AI agents can take care of that while we build system of leverage. It's the guise I'm currently building my business around, seems promising. Obsidian is great, what's so cool is you can link concepts together and create emergent ideas. For example you start from INTPs and productivity, then you go to MBTIs ranked by average income which I had already saved months ago. Then you go to big 5 personality and assess yourself on industriousness cuz that's what is gonna cuck your intellect. All the ideas are easy to research together and each new insight you have makes all your perspective just compound on itself which is why I seem to understand deep concepts better than most. It's not because I'm necessarily smarter but I have 45 000 thousand pages of notes on my Obsidian now and I create like 30-100 new ones daily. This guy has really good videos on Obsidian and using it to foster insights. I don't really use his exact system I find it too convoluted but I learned a lot from his way of thinking. @Ramanujan I've always hated that intellectual path. People that live in ideas are not very effective in the world. You use your ideas to build leverage to live in systems. University professors for the most part pretty ineffective people. Especially now that AI is gonna eat their lunch and can recap their lectures so being an action taker is more critical than ever. @Natasha Tori Maru What about yourself, what's your type? Are you an INFJ by chance?

Interesting, what does he teach about social circle? I genuinely have not heard him talk about it so I'm curious. I really like his levelling frame work where depending on the context you change your calibration when talking to women. So if you believe they're a bit more shy and not used to status you don't flex and you keep it grounded but if they're more the bad bitch influencer type then you go more push pull and cocky funny. I haven't really seen any other game coach talk about psychology that deeply, the guy is very smart.

Agreed, you must learn from various teachers to refine your game to it's peak potential. Some game has more potential than others though as I've already explained with the hard ceiling of cold approach. In what way?

Sorry for what you're going through man. It's not gaslighting to ask someone if they've been evaluated by a mental health professional when they say stuff that could be based on paranoid delusions. I don't want to invalidate you which is why I'm glad you contacted your local police department. This above the pay grade of anyone on this forum either way so I wish you the best of luck and don't think anything else discussed in this thread can be productive.