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So make your point, you haven't made one so far you just endlessly deflect. It doesn't matter how many awakenings she's had if she can't counter my points then my argument stands correct.

I mean obviously yes. I don't understand the nature of your questioning, it seems like my points are pretty self-explanatory. You seem to imply that putting in the effort to become a powerful human is not worth it. I think that's a bad way to look at life and leaves you open to, well, uncertainty first of all, but really much worse than that. The certainty that others more powerful than you will control your life and use you to their benefit. The only way to prevent that is putting in the work to become financially and socially independent. To go back to my line of questioning to @Cathal, he chooses to place himself under the protection of his monastery which is I assume funded by the country that he's in or I guess the fundraising arm of the organization he's under in which I assume he's not involved. I personally would feel quite uncomfortable with that arrangement which is why I was curious how he looks at it.

I think you're being intellectually dishonest with this comment. I've had plenty of awakenings and mystical experiences and I came to this exact conclusion that I'm sharing and you've had no valid rebuttals. Reality seems to be a sandbox in which you can do whatever you want and that includes hurting other humans and if you couldn't do that then it would be worse than it is. I'm thankful to be born in an age where it seems like AI and post scarcity will happen soon and solve it otherwise from anything prior to our era seems quite hellish. Thank you, I think I'm making pure sense and people are bypassing the harsh reality that we live in a world of suffering and if there is an omnipotent God controlling it, which there must be if we believe in God, then the creator of the universe is quite sadistic. Which makes sense, I'm creating a world and you want to be able to influence it in all ways good and bad. It's just unfortunate from the human perspective.

Where do you think God starts and ends? If you don't think there is a being that has control over the universe, that's fine but then you're taking an atheistic viewpoint which I do not share. I think life is more scary than that and this conclusion is correct. To derive the most satisfaction from sadism you have to inflict a lot of pain otherwise it's not really real. If whenever someone got shot they were like ahah no big deal and healed themselves that's fine that's like Call of Duty but reality doesn't work like this.

God is not a bot though, it exists as many billions of humans and other sentient beings. Are you a bot? I'm not a bot.

You're parroting stuff without thinking about it. One mind can be subdivided into others while still being one whole and each part still experiences its reality and thus can be made to suffer. If this one mind is omnipotent and chooses to make reality in a way that makes most beings suffer a lot of the time that mind is by definition quite sadistic. You're making up opinions out of thin air. You could make nerve endings that induce even more pain than they do now. You can make humans that can't experience physical pain, there are conditions like this that exist. If reality is like it is and you believe in God then he thought it right to make it exactly like how it is for some reason. I'm trying to get to the bottom of why and sadism seems like a clear answer. You guys are not understanding the point you're making, you're arguing that you're a bot. I hope that that is not the case and your experiences are real and if so God chooses to inflict pain on us for some reason. Since it should be possible to make perfect beings that don't need to learn from the start then that reason basically has to be sadism. Here's an easy way to conceptualize it: in Grand Theft Auto you can steal anything you want and shoot and kill people. If you couldn't do that, the game would be less fun. In my Game Legend Of The Abyss you you'll similarly be able to wage war and kill other players and NPCs. Otherwise the game would be no fun and be like Animal Crossing. In a game you are not hurting real people though, they are NPCs that only appear like they have pain but are a central server that is just processing data. God chose to make a game where its playable characters, us humans, feel a lot of pain for some reason. @yetineti So you don't think God has consciousness? Or you believe its power is quite limited? Explain how you see God and we can compare our thoughts on it. @aurum You seem to want to believe that there was no other way to make reality which makes no logical sense if you believe in God and you believe that God has basically infinite power over reality. If you do not believe that then please explain where its power starts and end, I'm curious how you conceptualize it. My only conclusion is that God as an infinite mind is both benevolent and sadistic, like most humans to some degree but as the sum total of the universe its moral responsibility is much greater. Since no one can hold it accountable I guess it gets away with it.

If you build a reality that's particularly hard and you have control to change it however way you like, it must be because you enjoy it that way. Why else is reality built like this? I'm using deductive reasoning to come to this conclusion, I'm not sure it's the case but I haven't seen any good argument in this thread to prove the conclusion wrong. @Xonas Pitfall Your point is very incomplete though, you haven't thought it through. The only way non-dualism makes sense is that there is one universal mind that subdivides itself into other minds to experience reality from a limited being's perspectives. Those limited beings are still real and even if they merge with God in the end, their pain is real. To think in just one mind without subdivisions is insane lol, that's like saying you wrote this post or I wrote your comment. Depends how you define God but by using the definition of Actualized.org it would be a universal consciousness that experiences everything that makes up the sum totality of the universe. In that case it should have power over everything and it chose to make a reality where people can hurt each other in all kinds of ways. The fact that humanity itself is getting to the point that we're making a VR reality where you'll be able to live in a sandbox and kill others if you want but with no consequences leads me to believe that God could've shaped reality the whole time this way. The reason he didn't must be that it was more enjoyable to do it this way or its power is limited and he had no other choice but to do it this way. I don't believe the latter makes sense so it must be the former. Confronting what?

I've had plenty. Don't spiritual bypass me when you get faced with unanswerable questions lol. It's not because you enter states of bliss that life is not suffering for a large proportion of the population and ourselves most of the time. We have control over the suffering we can inflict on others. God by definition should have more control than the average human or it's a moot concept. God perhaps sees no difference as he incarnates as every being at once but that's what I'm saying. If you're a rapist and raping someone and you don't give a fuck if they're hurting them because you're a detached spiritual being that experiences too much to care about one single perspective then you're not only sadistic but psychopathic lol If I decide to beat you half to death and enjoy my power over you, that's sadism. If a human can be sadistic why not God? I feel like you guys are spiritually bypassing hard lol. Go watch combat footage and realize that your little bubble of solipsism has gaping holes in terms of sound reasoning. Welcome to reality. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/

I structured my life for tangible impact, creative freedom, and status. I’m literally producing a live music showcase across the country tonight that kicks off in 20 minutes from my laptop. My goal over the next few years is scaling that footprint across North America and Europe. If no catastrophe happens to disrupt those plans, fantastic—it just leaves more room for pure creation and fun. So let’s cross our fingers and hope that our deeply enlightened and wise world leaders steer the ship in the right direction. To me it looks like there is trouble in the horizon for the next decade or so but I'm not a geopolitical expert.

I totally agree. I think a lot of people on this forum get too comfortable with the chill and don't worry about doing much you're God it's all good side of the content. I think that's a good baseline for peace of mind and satisfaction but true happiness comes from reaching your goals and ultimately achieving your life purpose. That's what my spreadsheet looks like, I shared it with @Deepak sadhwani for the accountability work we're doing together and he seemed to find it valuable. It's very simple, I track habits by order of importance. I had 3 other ones (working out, reading and daily AI research) originally with my 75 day challenge but I found the other ones not as mandatory to me so I stuck with posting content daily which are the checkmarks on the left and daily meditation which are the ones in the middle. I've had periods of depression where I don't do anything but I still track each day, I think that's so important for a feeling of continuity and progress in life. What habits do you track yourself and what's important to you at the moment?

I'm not a big fan of emotional justice, I don't think it works and the wisdom of the crowd has gotten many innocent people killed. I think AI and a global surveillance state is actually a massive forward for humanity and it will lead to the end of crimes and world peace sometime in the next 30 years. A lot has to change until this is tenable but it seems fundamentally going that way. A bit reductionist but it's an interesting perspective in terms of where we are as a species.

We're talking about God here not some mid level manager of reality. If there is so much suffering in the world, it must be because of him otherwise he's not that powerful. I understand that cause and effect needs consequence to make reality tenable but I think it goes far enough to the point that attributing clear sadism to God is warranted. I think post scarcity and biological immortality is the closest thing to heaven on earth that will come. I just don't understand why humanity's history had to be so painful and bleak to get there. The other easier alternative is that God is not all powerful and has to learn through trial and error which is entirely possible but I think time is more relative than that so I don't really buy it.

Well, reducing uncertainty is the basis for sound living. Do you tend to keep your front door open at night, or do you prefer it closed and locked? Navigating and mastering uncertainty is the baseline game of biological life. You build competence, gather resources, and develop systems precisely so that random environmental shocks don't wipe you or your people out. Competence buys agency; pretending uncertainty doesn't matter would just be spiritual bypassing.

No the general social media stuff works with my system mindset. I use a spreadsheet to track my daily posts and analyze the data on performance. It's not fun but it's satisfying. My creativity is mostly channeled through the Legend of the Abyss project at the moment. Working on it feels like crack cocaine, it lets me use all the concepts I've learned to build another world that has none of the frictions of real life. One day I will make it a fully functional world that you can put on a VR headset and inhabit. Hopefully it takes off and is a commercial success but even if not one other person played it and it was my personal sandbox project forever, I would still be very satisfied with it. I know a lot of people don't respect AI art but I would never be able to afford hiring artists to build it nor does my mind work for learning art nor would it make sense business-model-wise to bootstrap it like that. I'm good at connecting ideas together so when I generate an image that hits the right note, it's like hundreds of notes that I've taken coming to life visually and even some cool videos I've managed to make. To me at least it's beyond beautiful.

Well we'll start with removing as much uncertainty and building as much competence as possible and if I end up scaling up my power to be able to save all of mankind it will be my great honour to do so. Trump and his buddies are getting old, I'm sure they have a few blindspots we can exploit! Now that I've rewatched The Avengers, I'm ready. Give me the quest and I will accept. It's time to take over.

I run creative and business communities helping people build reliable streams of income. I don't think we're doomed but me building influence and power is the best way I've come up with to shield myself and others from an uncertain future. @Cathal So you're focused on spiritual purification at this stage of your life. That's a worthwhile endeavour. Alright, I’ve got another question for you: in monastic Theravada, complete celibacy is mandatory, and sensual craving is treated as a core defilement. Having lived this for three years, do you genuinely see sexual desire as an obstacle to consciousness that must be eliminated, or is renunciation just a tactical boundary for the monastic container?

How's this for non-duality and boundaries collapsing lmao, I'm into a lot of things but this one I have never done and am not planning to. According to the stats some of you on this forum are bound to have done it Kinsey Institute (1953): In Alfred Kinsey’s landmark survey, approximately 3.6% of women reported having had some form of sexual contact with an animal at least once in their lifetime. Modern Epidemiological Estimates: Contemporary psychiatric and sexological research estimates the prevalence of actual zoophilic behavior across the general adult population to be around 1% to 2% or lower. Kinsey Institute (1948): Alfred Kinsey’s data indicated that approximately 8% of men reported some form of sexual contact with an animal at least once in their lifetime. (Among men raised in rural environments, Kinsey reported rates as high as 17%, largely involving farm animals). Hunt Survey (1974): Morton Hunt’s study reported a decline in lifetime prevalence among men to approximately 5%, reflecting increased urbanization. Modern Sexological Estimates: Contemporary studies estimate current active or lifetime zoophilic behavior among men in the general population to be around 1% to 2%. These stats hold true in my experience, I haven't even been with 100 women and I've had one admit to getting head from her dog and one admit to fantasies involving horses. If any of you are dating dudes raised on farms then Godspeed, you need all the STD panels available to mankind In some cultures it's not even taboo, this vice news doc investigated a niche Colombian tradition where young men are made to lose their virginities to donkeys as a rite of passage to manhood.

@Zeroguy You don't think God can brainwash itself to be able to experience limited life? If you were an infinite being you couldn't have sex, that requires two limited biological beings to rub their genitals against each other. You think God is too stupid to invent sex? Your lack of faith is disturbing.

You have a beautiful Obsidian setup, I think it reflects in some of your insight on the forum. Being thorough in researching and thought makes a massive difference in making strong points. @Natasha Tori Maru Sorry you had to go through that trauma, resiliency through that kind of weight is no small feat. I really like your mindset with the creative art pursuit, there is something very powerful about simplicity and being able to illustrate a subject accurately without clutter.

Very good in that case I think the divine scepter will indeed be used to reach powerful visions!

Watch out, he’s gonna tell you the best way to ground yourself against the bad sides of visions is to take your pants off to be able to ground yourself and he needs to do so too to properly channel God

I don't think your point is good as its too generals. There are business models that are much more effective than others and thus result in a faster AND more effective lane towards success.

That claim doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Highly attractive women deal with far higher volumes of opportunistic, disingenuous attention and deceptive tactics—which is precisely the predatory dynamic being discussed. Asserting that higher attractiveness automatically shields someone from being targeted ignores basic filtering realities. Until you can point to actual data showing high-visibility targets face fewer predatory interactions, dismissing direct female observation as "coping" is just projecting your own assumptions.

Sure, that's the first step of inquiry. That's why I linked it's points and not just the rating. Which points of Jiang do you think are his strongest? We can talk about that and see where he falls short. Where the AI criticism is perhaps weakest is on his speculative points, especially if he did admit that they are speculation. Big events are speculation until they happen, all we can do is follow the breadcrumbs and weigh odds with the data that we have.

Same, thanks for sharing bro. It is really almost humiliating to go hard at trying to build big and seeing progress and falling short. I understand why some people don't try at all. I don't know if you remember the RSD Julien point about game though "Once you peek behind the curtain, you can never go back." That's been a defining concept to my life. I was born in Montreal, grew up in Calgary and then after breaking up with an ex and being aimless I moved to Toronto. The level of success I saw there was both inspiring but also deeply humiliating. One experience that stands out most is I met a guy who was the same age as me and is a well-known dating coach in Canada, was a millionaire at the time, and had a penthouse and sleeping with new 3 girls a week. I actually moved into his old place so it was a bit surreal. I also met AI engineers who were like 23 years old making $25,000/month. An AI CEO that was younger than me making millions whose company got funded by Nvidia and my roommate started doing marketing for them. All the while I was stuck selling $500 photoshoots, barely able to pay my rent at times and trying to figure out how the fuck I can scale to that level in my own ways. Not there yet obviously but I'm glad I've met those people, they helped me break my limiting beliefs. I've accomplished a lot in my life that I'm proud of but hopefully when we have this conversation again in 5 years I have a lot more on the scoreboard. I'm hosting a small concert across the country tonight remotely through just my brands and the reach of my group chats so I'm pretty happy about that. It's not gonna make me any money but it's building me the leverage I want so one step closer to the dream.