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Why are coffee parties taking off so hard then? https://www.instagram.com/reels/DFIrBCEvDAt/ Some people do influencer events at spa villages too now. I've been to this one it was awesome. You go from massive hot tubs to cold plunges and saunas. It's a new meta taking off big time.

That's true but don't blame marketing science for corrupt incentives! Until we fix the gaps in the system it'll keep happening. Marketing is a beautiful part of business it requires a lot of humility and cognitive understand of people and the market to understand how people buy products instead of just wanting to shove your product down their throat unconsciously. Thank God for government regulations

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I'm sorry to break it to you my friend your perspective seems to be so limited that I don't honestly and genuinely think you understand the stages of the spiral enough to comment on them with any kind of credibility. Not even to describe the stages let alone to assess other people. You should read the book it's pretty good. I read it half a decade ago.

There are differences between integrating lessons from a stage and transcending it. Gabor Mate was not a psychiatrist he was a physician. He's now working on building his own systems and working with different organizations. He's actually successful entrepreneur with a few best selling books, an international speaker and a private consultant. He's actually a great example of my point, he has transcended it.

Right and then I explained how you would do that and then you pushed back and here we are. Idk bro I like having these discussions I think it helps us a lot to figure out what makes sense and what is a nice sounding theory that doesn't hold up to reality. Transcending stages is hard I've been Yellow intellectually for years and have slowly but surely been bringing my own systems to life. It's starting to work, it's exciting. I believe that in 3-5 years my business will be at the point where I can operate globally and help people en masse also achieve their goals and free themselves from wage slavery. It goes back full circle to your passion. A lot of the people I work with are hot models. Funny enough they struggle with being stuck at stage orange too. If I can transcend it I can help them transcend it as well. It's beautiful how reality is interconnected. If I didn't love women as much as I do this life purpose would not appeal to me much.

Of course not. They can have some cool ideas that are beyond it but they won't be able to do much from it. You can say maybe like the Amish but that's stage blue. You can stay people in countries that aren't as capitalistic but that's even lower than orange, blue and red. Stage orange is the individualistic power stage. If you do not have individualistic power you are not past stage orange. The best example are communists. Every communist I meet thinks they're so fucking smart and know more than people that actually have money. First of all they are rarely financially successful. Second of all communism is stage blue. It's ideals are impossible. For example they call for a general workers strike globally to stick it to the bourgeoisie. One problem though, workers of the world can't strike for an extended period of time they don't have the money to! They have to suck it up and go back to work sooner rather than later. Easy to come up with some cool theory that sounds good in your head and also to the people that have the same angers with reality as you do. Much easier to make it happen and actually transform your life let alone the lives of many people.

I didn't say you said that I said in general that's what people with a stage orange shadow say. I mean kind of but being financially independent can completely free someone from wage slavery and empower them to work on their own passions without the anxiety of the market. As a man there aren't many better gifts you can give a woman. A lot of women today would love to be stay at home moms but it's impossible for 90% of men because they just don't make enough money. Let alone on the fun sides of it like travelling the world, having a beautiful property in a nice place like on a body of water, being able to educate your children well, etc. Much easier to say money doesn't matter! Than to figure out how to free yourself from the confines of it.

I have watched all of Leo's videos on it and read part of the spiral dynamics book itself. I think what I said is as simple as you can make it. If you can't operate outside of stage orange then by definition you haven't transcended it. As I said people are multifaceted individuals and it's not because you haven't fully integrated a stage that you don't have some solid concepts integrated from the other stages. You are fundamentally gonna lack power and impact on reality and not be able to really enjoy the fruits of the other stages if you do not though. As I've used in examples you will not be able to impact the stage green causes that you care about. You will not be able to build the stage yellow systems that you can invision. I'm not saying I've transcended orange. I'm still working on my business each day. It's hard as fuck though I can understand why not everyone does it. It's easier than ever with AI though, you can use it to find the bottlenecks in your cashflow verticals. With AI agents taking care of some of the online labor there is a lot that's unlocking this year. We are very blessed to be alive today.

Yes I said a corporate hottie would make a great partner. Value basically always has to be monetary, it's a universal medium of exchange. If other people don't value what you think or what you have to offer them then it's not valuable by definition. Usually stage green people bypass this entirely like for example the girl that said she hates marketing. Marketing is connecting with the hearts and minds of others and getting them to see the value behind your ideas/products/services and giving you their hard earned money for it. Of course unintegrated stage oranges despise money, business and marketing, it's the only mechanisms that proves that your ideas are valuable. It's like the boss battle of the dungeon to pass the level.

Stage orange is about the real world economics of our reality and the markets that govern it. If someone watches an anti pollution video and are like wow corporations are bad penguins are dying! They did not just magically integrate stage orange. They started to realize that there are cause and effects in the world and that some corporations tend to use their incentives against the rest of reality. To integrate and transcend stage orange you have to in charge of your material reality and basically be able to exist outside of somebody else's system. I only see 2 ways out of it starting your own successful business or generating enough capital from a high income career that you can now fund your life purpose. Having an unintegrated stage orange shows up in different ways but you can see it clearly in unhealthy stage greens who care deeply about the world and express their pain about its injustice but don't have the resources and capital to do anything about it. A triggered feminist is an easy caricature of it. Whereas on the other hand you have women/men that start their own organizations and become themselves power agents of change in the causes that they champion.

I never said the corporate women are super conscious, I said they have a high level skillset that can be used towards your cause and life purpose. I don't know if I agree I think a lot of "high consciousness" is spiritual bypassing since your consciousness exists only in your head and not in the real world. If someone was truly a master at stage yellow they could actualize their ideas from understanding which parts of society is gonna give them friction and they would have the skillset from stage orange to produce real tangible value that other people value.

I mean you literally said that you gave up on relationships(maybe temporarily) to focus more on platonic friendships. That's great and all but you can't say you've succeeded at your pickup journey then. You say you're a software engineer, that's cool but that's nothing to do with creating your own systems. If you date a corporate woman you can't really bring her into your life you can at best each have your jobs and go home at the end of the day and comfort eachother before you go back to work the next day. To me that's not having transcended stage orange or perhaps you can say that's not having integrated stage yellow which has to do with making the systems of our reality work for you and not against you like Tier 1 stages are forced to do.

I mean Valach doesn't seem to understand the concepts he's using and makes false equivalencies. As I've said before he thinks he has ended a journey when I've repeatedly pointed out to him the flaws in his perspective. If he's not open to feedback there's nothing to learn. I've broken down his perspective pretty accurately I think. He thinks that giving up on materialistic goals is integrating stage orange and he's now a wise and healthy stage green/yellow. I've said before multiple times in many how this is provably coping. If you have integrated stage orange then you can produce results in the systems of society that we have. If you can't but now "don't value" those results and give up on the goals that you had previously, to me to not repeat the word coping that's delusional or insanity. I've seen this process happen to many smart people, he sounds like a smart guy. Intelligence is just the start to really master your life and this reality though. @Natasha Tori Maru Also that's incorrect. It depends on which version you use but how Ken Wilber phrases it is literally word for word transcend and include.

In what way do you disagree with what I'm saying? Do you talk to corporate women often? That's vast umbrella but for example but I've met a few that are product managers and have worked at fortune 500 companies. They are very smart and interesting women who are fascinating to talk with. They understand how to handle the pressures of life and manage teams of people to bring projects/products and turn ideas and concepts into real things that affect the lives of a lot of people. If you find a hot one that's into you that would make a great girlfriend. Be careful judging someone that's perhaps ahead of you in life in a key area. Comparing them to a heroin addict is a wild statement.

I hope you reflect on our conversations and realize you still have much further to go in your journey my friend. I'm here anytime if you're open for feedback.

Why not? A stage yellow person does not judge people for where they are at, they understand how human beings develop and the different mental blocks and limitations that each stage has and how to help those people transcend them and thus raise their consciousness. Perhaps that's going into Turquoise which identifies with each human.

What do you mean? Why is it an addiction, if you've completed your pickup journey then you are dating/married to your dream woman or women. Be careful of pretending to have transcended stage orange when your ego just realized that this shit was hard and it's much easier to now blame capitalism and shallowness for your lack of success than actually get success. Once you have mastered stage orange and have values centered around positive sum games from stage green and understand how the systems of the world works from stage yellow than you can become a powerful agent of change. Before that you're mostly inconsequential as an individual.

Not if you have a way better plan for her So what? People are not in one stage they are multifaceted beings. Because you're a stage yellow leader(hopefully) you'll have a greater purpose than whatever corporate job she's working. Because she's a corporate girl she's gonna have a skillset that she can use on your life purpose. Because you have an integrated stage orange you are successful at business and know how to bring a vision to life and monetize it. Once that's underway you can help her also work on her life purpose away from yours. You can then change the world together and live a great life instead of her wasting away in a 9-5 that doesn't accomplish much. This only works if you're actually the man with his life setup properly. If you're coping on having integrated stage orange and being in stage yellow then you'd be lucky to attracted a hot corporate girl and if you do she's probably gonna have the the frame in the relationship and slowly lose attraction to you because you don't bring much to the table.

It's a good post and reminder that anyone can find a relationship, incels are ironicaly coping by thinking they can't. The idea is to get a phenomenal girlfriend though And if you're crazy like me many girlfriends

Take action. Don't worry about theory before you take action. I like maximizing status and coming up with complicated plans but that comes after you have a baseline of action and results with women so you can see if you need to calibrate or not. Have you cold approached before? If not start with this. Do you know friends that are into cold approach or would be down to try with you? Second best step is to get on dating apps and optimize your profile. You will not get many matches at first but with an optimized profile and tinder platinum + boosts, it's very realistic to go on 1-2 dates a week from that. When you can go on dates continuously from either cold approach and dating apps you have a great question to ask yourself which is am I satisfied with the women I can meet or do I need to significantly raise my status to attract hotter/more niche women? If so we can talk about that then. Your baseline is cold approach because it's the most straightforward see hot girl -> talk to hot girl. Try it and report back. You got this champ I have a video on how I think you should see your overall dating strategy as a man. If you're overwhelmed it will help streamline what self-development has to do with dating but what I said in this post is as simple as I can make it > What feels strange—and honestly a bit scary—is realizing how different my self-image can be from my actual situation. Sometimes it makes me wonder whether I’ve been living more in my imagination than in reality. 100% bro everyone has this. Most men think they can attract women they're attracted to. Then they try and it doesn't work and they get traumatized and start coping in various ways or even WORST they never try. > I am very serious with woman and trying to impress them Awesome if you're very serious you will surely try cold approaching tomorrow or in the next few days and report back your results. Approach at least 10 women. If you can’t make yourself do it tell us about that as well and what came up in your mind. Excited to hear about your journey!

I totally disagree. Your non-hot girlfriend is gonna say you don't find me attractive? Be offended and be right that you're trying to change her. Your hot corporate girl is gonna be charmed and positively surprised that you already have all the answers to her existential questions because you've been studying spiral dynamics and non-duality and think that she's dating a super human and love you even more.

Start today and build yourself up along the way.

To a point. A 400 lbs woman can be beautiful to someone. If you say you can attract beautiful women and you can only attract obese women I'd say you're coping and delusional and objectively are bad at attracting women. If you want to call that a red pill point that's just silly. Try more corporate/finance/crypto events. There are a lot of hot women there that are very smart. Consciousness can be learned if she respects you. Make some money start a homestead and vision complete.

That's fair yes most men and women suck at sex and intimacy. There are books on it. I like Tantric sex myself that's some cool stuff you combine meditation and sex.