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Because I'm injecting consciousness and development in the discussion which is obviously lacking. Leo mostly did pickup from that solely cold approach stand point and he seems to have hit a wall in the type of women that he managed to integrate into his life. He should also come at it from a more stage yellow integral perspective and I believe he will have much more success. I agree that deep relationships are key which is why I find that the social circle model much way better in achieving fulfillment in your relationships, romantic and otherwise. I'm getting my long term friends to follow this and come to my events as well. There was a lot of resistance at the start but they seem to be enjoying it now and helping me scale them in an interdependent way which is great. A friend of mine helped me on a podcast I did in Calgary and another hosted an investment event with me and before I moved cities we started going out again regularly which was a lot of fun and pushed my own boundaries in the process. I actually am not really a cold approach guy and there's still a lot of development I find doing it. Part of it is self-esteem and proving to myself that I am worthy of talking to the hottest women I find and they seem to be more and more into me the further in my journey I get so it's quite healing and gratifying to pursue.

Your position is obviously quite shallow. Feel free to input your own thread into an LLM and I'm sure it'll point out the shortcomings in your viewpoint. I'm not a psychologist but usually when someone projects that everyone else must have shallow and toxic relationships that's more a reflection of their own life than a truthful view of reality. Obviously there's some truth in what you said but half-truths are some of the most dangerous generalizations you can make.

Yes there is something wrong in the way you do pickup and that's why you're not fulfilled with it. That's my claim and I've explained my reasoning behind it. You seem have a dense ego with how you refuse to admit your shortcomings and stick to your position even when presented with evidence that invalidates it so I don't think you're very coachable which is another reason why you're stuck in your journey. Yes I've followed Leo since he posted that rant against PUA videos 10 years ago which is why my game was built with depth to avoid the pitfalls he pointed out in it. I'm thankful to him for that, it was a great video. If you find meaning and fulfillment in your life outside of relationships then more power to you. Feel free to share what's worked for you since you gave them up.

Not at all. He admitted himself that his form of pickup was spam approaching women on the street. This is is a low form of pickup and seduction. I'm not surprised it lead him to not find fulfilment or satisfaction in it. He literally projected on me that everyone does stage orange pickup since he did it. I've already explained last page what is a better way to go about it. What I described is like stage yellow game as it is based on holism and not quick sex. The best way to think of it is viewing your dating life and social circle as an extension of another and looking at it more in terms of farming than hunting. Meaning that you're basically creating a fertile oasis for everyone to benefit and then finding the women that are particularly into you from there and dating one or many of them depending on what you're into. For example I'm in the creative industry and host photoshoots with models, photographers, content creators, influencers, etc. A lot of attractive women in that industry obviously. I've hosted events now in Toronto, Calgary and Kelowna around it. I'll be doing it over the summer in Montreal. I own accounts and group chats in each city around it now with hundreds of people in them. I help the women(and the men as well) with their creative goals and give them content help and give them tips on finding sponsors and monetizing their brand. https://www.instagram.com/creatives_toronto - This is one of my accounts for example You see how this is much more holistic than just cold approaching women on the street? I'm a logical guy so I spend my time thinking about business, marketing, finance, etc. So might as well share that knowledge with other people that usually don't find reading books about those topics interesting. I have spent the last 4 years hosting events around it. They're quite fun and it's fulfilling for me to learn how to make cooler and bigger events and travel to different cities to do so. I hosted a fashion show in Calgary last year for example. If you go with this strategy you must utilise the sowing vs reaping principle meaning that you provide people in your community/social circle genuine value and good times and don't just use it as a cheap ploy to get laid. I used to hangout with club promoters and dating coaches a lot in Toronto and this is my own version of this funnel. I've gotten laid many times from social circle game, it's a much funner way to date than just cold approach or online dating as you're also friends with the women you date and over time you get access to way more attractive women than you would just being a random guy on the street like it seems Valach was saying he burnt out doing. Every man has different interests and skillsets and thus their setup will look different but for me the creative industry makes a lot of sense and is quite fun to be around. I talk about it more in this thread if you guys are curious

You can do pickup from any stage from purple to turquoise. If you do it from stage orange that's on you. Do not project your lack of success unto others, it's the furthest thing from the truth my friend.

A lot of pickup teachers have unhealed emotional issues, in that situation it's quite hard to find fulfilment but it's not too far away. A bridge that's 80% built is 100% useless but it's not that far off from working as intended. Introspection on true desires and not societal expectations pushed on us is mandatory but once you do that I'd say for most guys getting some cool women into their life is gonna take care of a lot of their issues. Especially in the format that I've outlined above. I have worked with clients to help them build this out for themselves in different cities across Canada. I don't do it widely yet but this is when I met Mystery in Toronto through one of my clients that hired him as well.

I'm sorry you had an unfulfilling time with your dating journey. My best advice would be to combine it with your overall life purpose as well as social circle. When you have women that help you reach your goals and you help them reach theirs instead of just prowling the streets for a vagina to fuck; the game changes completely. Women are your comrades in reality and they are also looking for great adventures to embark on and have to face the difficulties of the marketplace and business world. If you're the man to solve that for them I guarantee you that fulfillment will be the least of your worries.

I think it's extremely rare for someone to have truly mastered dating and intimacy and to have built a phenomenal dating life. It happens but it's easily less than 10% of people. It's a shame because it's one of if not the the sweetest aspects of reality.

I disagree I think you're generalizing and projecting but if it works for you then more power to you. Thanks you yeah the last few years I have been going hard on social circle events and it's starting to scale and go the way I want it; it's been a good time. No need to resent women, I love them. The more of them you have in your life the happier you'll be.

I think you have to be careful with sweeping generalizations. Some women operate in scarcity and just give two handed compliments and live in competition. Some others are happy for their friends doing well and just want to support other women and perhaps humans in general. I don't think it's healthy to be jaded about human nature. It doesn't make you a loser to believe in the goodness in people. Quite the opposite as long as it's not blind naivety.

There are millions of beautiful women in this world. I can't experience them all but a hundred should be a good start into really diving into the feminine. Most men experience not even 5% of what women have to offer. I thank God I learned seduction and social skills to the point where I can mingle with women in a way that my teenage self would only have dreamed of.

I said the box point because you seem to have these ideas and apply them universally. I've simply shared what makes sense to me and what makes me happy. Self-awareness is all I'm preaching, if you know yourself and what works for you as well then more power to you. Well it's the path I've put myself on and it's worked out well so far so I'll keep on it was my only point. It could end up being 200 women or a bit less than 100, it's not a hard goal number. More a path towards more sensuality and adventure.

Depends on how heavily on the spectrum but light autism can definitely become phenomenal at seduction with a lot of exposure and good coaching. If you just hammer out hundreds of approaches with no thought behind it like you said you did then of course you're not gonna make much progress but with the right strategy you can have a dreamlike dating life for sure. You don't think being in shape and having a good financial situation is important for a high quality dating life?

Did you read the post? He literally said he's on the spectrum and doesn't know how to approach women. Working on your business and fitness is phenomenal overall advice but in that specific case I think progressive desensitization is the correct recommendation. Also where did I say to approach meh women? If he's in a big city he can easily find multiple attractive women a day to talk to, just probably not his personal perfect 10 each day but for sure overall social exposure will help with that as well.

Perhaps you're projecting your own lack of self-esteem here by thinking you're not worthy of talking to women. Women love being chatted up as long as you're pleasant about it. You don't always have to go super direct you can just comment on something happening in the environment or give them a genuine compliment. I recommend especially following approach challenge for OP since he has some autism and it'll help it be more natural.

I think you could totally form relationships from clubs and bars but the main issue is that a lot of the people there are looking more for fun than growth and shared journey but that's not universally the case. The relationships I've had usually form from social circle. I had one girlfriend I found from volunteering at a comic expo. I think having mutual goals with your partners is a great start so anything related to your career and business is a good move. I run creative groups and a lot of women in there have similar goals to me. If you're into business then business/crypto/finance events have a lot of attractive women aged 25-35 and the single ones would be better partners than club girls I assume. One big unlock in terms of the hobby groups is to host them yourself instead of just going to other peoples. Then you learn community building and are more attractive as the group leader. Don't be a creepy guy just looking to get laid in that instance but if it's a meaningful hobby that anyway you're gonna spend years partaking in then it makes a lot of sense.

The answer is to regularly approach and it becomes more natural. You could've indeed just said hey I had to say you're really attractive, hows the day? You don't really have to overthink the context at the start of your game journey, if you try to go along with the jacket story or offering her your milkshake that's more likely to be more awkward than anything else. If you're autistic I would follow a straight progression curve like a newbie challenge and progressively desensitize yourself and you'll likely pick it up quite quickly with pattern recognition. https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/newbie-assignment.34/ IMO the most important thing is to do a lot of approaches and get a lot of experience because if you try to only approach the girls you really like once in a while you'll probably fumble the bag but when you have momentum you build charisma quite reliably.

For me it felt like I had incredible times with these women and we weren't compatible enough aspects to decide to stay together long term. Doesn't mean that they weren't incredible women and I'm glad I met them and through that temporary love that we shared it fuelled me to want to explore sexuality and dating even more. I think that a lot of people that date just one or a few people never really experience the opposite sex, just a little slice of it through that person or not even that person since unless you really introspect and master your psychology you're just mostly operating on your shadow and subconscious. Not to say that some low partner count monogamous couple aren't fulfilled but one I haven't met many if any and two a lot of the relationships I see and hear about clearly show just pathology and scarcity played out in real time. To pedestalize that as the epitome of human romantic fulfillment is silly to me. I know myself quite well at this point in life. I've been dating and learning about human relationships for 12 years now. My life journey has barely started since my business is starting to take off and I plan on being a digital nomad and travelling the world for the next few years and having incredible experiences with women from countries all over the world. I could for sure meet the most amazing woman I've ever met next week in a festival in Montreal before I ever embark on this journey but I will just ask her to join me and if she's the love of my life she'll be bisexual and we can meet even more incredible women together. It seems that you've put yourself in a box my friend and trying to apply this box to myself and dating as a whole. The world is literally infinite and so are the romantic and sexual experiences that you can have. I'd encourage you to go on Reddit and read through the polyamory subreddits and read people's journey in that world and you'll hopefully see that your current perspective is limited and not backed up by any data or research.

This post is for @Leo Gura and really any other that believe in an AI crash. I will seek to prove that this is basically impossible and AI companies are already in the too big to fail category and ChatGPT moving towards military industrial complex instead of a business to consumer model is a proof of that. The whole reshoring manufacturing of America over the next 10 years is based on their tech supremacy. Remember the whole meme of american workers retuning to work in factories? Obviously that will not happen and the US will aim to be a robotics and automation leader, which it's already well positioned to do. A K shaped crash will absolutely happen and will serve in further squeezing the middle class into nothing as their labor becomes literally obsolete. Leo your idea that AI value is based on AGI is misguided. AI value prop is based on enterprise workforce. The whole overinflated valuation of the market is based on the premise that AI agents can replace human employees en masse. That premise is still up in the air but as someone who works with AI tools and automation daily I'd say it's already a done deal, the macro forces are just too powerful and humans not adaptable enough. It's also heavily based in the military industrial complex really as you print money to make top tier weapons with which you secure global trade and force countries into doing commerce under your umbrella and get rich off of financialization and exporting the USD. The US has just proved in its Maduro operation and its Iran strikes that their military supremacy is as unchallenged as ever and the whole tech-AI industry fits right into that. Having said this I would say that claiming that an AI bubble crash is imminent or even likely has a MASSIVE BURDEN OF PROOF under it and I invite anybody to try and make an argument and case for it. I'm pretty confident that the corporate layoffs we've been seeing will keep accelerating throughout this year and it's highly likely that Trump and his Tech buddies will introduce some sort of UBI promise this year with the primaries to secure their votes and burry their epstein scandal further.

@Hojo It doesn't seem to me like you have rational thoughts towards this if I'm being honest. Why would sleeping with more women remove the opportunity for someone to find a long term partner? There's also polyamory and open relationships. You can be in a marriage and practice ethical non-monogamy and still sleep with other people. @Sugarcoat What exactly do you resonate with?

Are you a virgin and/or grew up deeply religious? Seems like a strange way to conceptualize the situation. I have like a 50 body count and I've met some incredible women throughout my adventures and dated some of them. Looking forward to dating and sleeping with many more, I'm sure I'll get to 100 in the next few years. Sex is fun and you get to meet and talk to people more intimately than in day to day life.

Why is wanting to fuck 100 women an evil though?

I don't think everyone needs to have a thriving romantic and social life for society to function. All the tools are here today to make you be able to build one if you so desire. The average man takes the path of least resistance as @Natasha Tori Maru rightly points out and then complains when women don't find them attractive. That's fine that's natural selection, it's always helped out species become great over time. If incels don't want to reproduce that's fine with me, I'll get rich and impregnate 5 women and if I need to knockup even more then that it will be my honour and I gladly accept the responsibility to help female-kind procreate.

It's extremely exciting to live in our times. I believe Leo when he says when you reach stage turquoise you realize humanity has reached 5% of it's potential. The current societal narrative is blowing up and selling people tradition as an antidote is an very old power move to find wide ranging support bases. The first emperor of Rome Augustus used it to consolidate his power and finalize the destruction of the republic. Wait until AI UBI goes mainstream in the 2030s and people will get even more crazy as they feel as their existence is now meaningless now that they're now enslaved by cookie cutter work. Freedom is terrifying to humans because we're not used to it but it's obviously beautiful. This new right "masculinist" movement is kind of dumb because it doesn't really even preach self-improvement like the pickup movement did in the 2000s and 2010s. What good comes from demonizing female sexuality and technology? Congrats you're now an incel with no market leverage. It's beautifully ironic that a lot of the ones that preach it are hypersexual themselves and use their social media platforms to get a bunch of women and print cash from their audience that's too underdevelopped to understand what hypocrisy looks like. You can see it with hstikkytokky from the red pill netflix doc who roasted onlyfans girls calling them degenerate whores while actively building an onlyfans agency. At least he was wise enough to take a break from social media and reevaluate and life philosophy; hopefully he's wise enough to cure his own cognitive dissonance.

It's 100% a skill issue and light narcissism. You shouldn't take this stuff too seriously in terms of internalizing shame due to being unsuccessful with women. If you're naturally good at something you'll rarely get great at it Workout, go out regularly, get some status through social media and make a list of the hottest single women in the world that are your personal 10 and make it a mission to cum in at least one of them. Enjoy sexuality, it's beautiful but when you internalize being an incel then of course giving up is gonna take a load off your shoulders momentarily. MGTOW is a thing for a reason and those guys all seem miserable and like they're coping hard lol