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@Pure What mechanisms are you using to differientiate between delusions and genuine insight? It's important to realize that a lot of thoughts that seem real and a lot of visuals or hallucations that seem like communications are delusions. To me the difference is what is helpful to your real life and not to again harp on the scientific method but what is reproducable consistently outside of your mind and in real reality.

@phillyvx I've answered your questions here, please read it I think it'll makemore sense to you than most of the replies on this post that are more woo woo or complicated. @Scholar I don't think Leo is trapped in psychosis, what makes you say that? I think he sometimes lack empathy and doesn't understand the stand of mind most poeple on this forum and watching his video have a different mind and life experience than his and thus the content he shares can be quite dangerous. This video does address it a bit but I don't think he does an adequate job of explaining psychosis and the problems of Depersonalization-Derealization Disorder. Probably because he hasn't had too many issues with it himself but I have had a quite traumatic psychotic episode that I claim responsability for but in large part came from watching Leo's content and I know a lot of others have had bad experiences as well. Leo is just a guy though and he got into self-development and made a brand out of it and shared his findings. That's why Guru label is dangerous as that's a lot of responsability to put on one man. I do still think that when you start to vouch for psychedelics and telling people they are God and life is an illusion then psychosis episodes start to become your top concern and you must take responsability to inform an audience about it, give warning signs of it and grounding mechanisms otherwise it can lead to mental illness, injury and death.

Yes, I agree that it's extremely important to talk about psychosis and delusions more on this forum. Otherwise it can lead to a lot of wasted time at best and danger to yourself and others at worse. Aberrant salience is also an important concept to understand because when you do psychedelics and enlightenment work your pattern recognition will go haywire and lead you straight to psychosis by overthinking synchronicities. I was tripped out by the color red for a while considering it a bad omen and the angel numbers gave me comfort at first and then anxiety and paranoia for example. Those were my triggers but you guys will encounter your own. I think it's ironic that Leo has been railling against Science so much recently because really the scientific method is the best tool I've found to ground myself and test theories I've received from insight on psychedelics or even during actual psychosis. Plenty of interesting thoughts could translate to actual reality but if you can't make them happen or reproduce your ideas sober then they were not real or not useful to your life at the moment. I think a lot of people here and in spiritual circles fear materialism so much because of a simple 10x rule. If you know something it's still 10x harder than you thought to build it. So you can trip on psychedelics and feel at one with the world but reality is fortunately very solid and coherent and thus hard to manipulate and so if you want to build an awesome life you're right back to good ol capitalism like the rest of us.

Sure but it's not handed, it's deal making. When you have a lot of leverage then it's easy to make deals with people. He's a paypal co-founder and one of the most prolifc investors in sillicon valley so his influence is earned. Perhaps it's a shallow difference but idk I'd say being handed power is like your parents being rich and handing you a company just to conserve the family name like Howard Hughes who then blundered it and ruined his family's company. Peter Thiel is self made his father was a chemical engineer and then he studied law, became a lawyer and ended up starting a wealth management firm and now he's worth $30 billion. I'd say that makes him much more dangerous than a random conservative who isn't competent nor knows how to navigate the system.

Have you had any mystical experiences? When I had mine I identified with all of reality moreso than just my male identity. I love being a male and fucking women( and men ) and I thank God that I incarnated as such but ultimately I see mysef as a will and spirit more than a male. Male and female are just biological realities of natural selection to increase survival rates. Life was never created as just male and female, plenty of asexual self reproducing entities even alive today. Me and a roommate I had a few years ago had a threesome with this girl who identified as genderfluid. She would change voices between masculine and girly. It was pretty bizarre but I'm generally a fan of novel experiences so I enjoyed it. Technically all religious people don't even believe in gender themselves since they claim to mostly identify with the soul and spiritual life over the materialistic realm. They are quite shallow in their thinking and don't even think about that when chastizing LGBTQ people. They are mostly cowards just scared of the way religion threatens you towards eternal doom if you do not comply to their beliefs. As well as they have cognitive dissonance since for a lot of people deep complicated thoughts are painful and they rather just keep things simple. This leads us straight to cultural homogenization, monocultarilism, patriarchy, status and power. Throughout most of human history what mostly mattered was power that you shared with your close group. As we learn in spiral dynamics, as civilization evolves we've had a deeper identification with our group structures and for our species as a whole. Not that long ago it was considered mainstream norm that other races other than yours were the enemy and subhuman. Before the concept of a state that was a real reality that the people that you encountered you were very likely to engage in mortal combat with. There was no room to tolerate those different than yourself. As we get towards the nation state and now multi state unions like the EU, we collectively unite more and more to the fact that identity is not really necessary to your security anymore. You see how the US still fiercly rejects that as the #1 super power today and so does china as the #2. When you are at the top you don't really benefit from compromises and actually lose a lot of power from doing so. In 2026 we have more room for alternative identities like Peter Thiel and Sam Altman some of the most powerful americans are openly gay men. It's pretty interesting to see how that conflicts with the massive christian nationalistic bloc that composes the other part of the republican party. Ultimately it will evolve towards radical acceptance because there are massive downsides towards rejecting alternative identities and by definition that makes you unconscious. If you truly embraced yourself as God as we do in non-duality or even as an actually absolutely powerful person you would not fear other identites as they would just be different fascets of reality you get to enjoy that cannot harm you. That's how I look at it so ultimately I'm greedy enough to accept all of reality(let's say most, I'm not quite fully enlightened yet) and will take women with boobs and pussy, trans women, femboys, etc whatever you got for me I'll take it. I expanded my horizons and fucked a dude that was not feminine at all the other day and literally a bald chubby masculine man and that was not particularly what I like in my partners but it was ultimately enjoyable. It's quite uncomfortable to stretch your boundaries in this fashion and I understand why most humans are not there yet but it's quite fun I promise! It also requires a lot of self-esteem as most of society will find you strange but you have to value your own opinion of yourself other that of others.

I think it's important to keep the facts top of mind when dealing with these people and not give the blessing of accusing them on their only mildly unnapropriate behaviour as opposed to the purely psychopatic ones; as disturbing as it is to think about. This is someone that is a sadistic narcissistic. A litteral definition, his father has full on diagnosed with NPD which is highly heridatory as well as shown in his intolerance in people critizing him and often times reacting violently in doing so. Here is a video of him physically abusing multiple women https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/w6jt5y/how_is_this_andrew_tate_video_not_more_widespread/ As well as this voicenote and story from his 2013 UK accuser(I think he's being extradited to answer for that charge as well) reflecting on his sadism and why he enjoyed raping her and how he's one of the most dangerous men on this planet https://x.com/VICEWorldNews/status/1613248607712337938 I'll see if I can find another one here but there was another one that I found extremely offputting where the accuser was one of his camgirls that had a boyfriend and she said he didn't take kindly to her refusing his advances and sexually assaulted her as a result. As someone who generally enjoys a lot of red pill content I find it my responsability to call out blatantly toxic behaviours when they are clearly shown and seperate it from the content and figures that just write about sexual strategy and levelling up as a man.

This is a good article, thanks for sharing. Yeah I think it's incredibly dangerous to hand over too much power to individuals with this peak stage orange mentality. The interesting thing is that nobody handed him power, he's a very competent and thorough man. I think his view is mostly elitist and natural selection based and he's not interested in helping the masses just a few talented individuals. I think Zizek's point on mimetic desire vs vocation is the best point in the arcticle by far. I'm all for competition and individual success but you cannot put it above collectivism or helping others otherwise yeah you end up with nurses being poor and exploited while they do the work I would rather not do. His other great point is that Thiel will outlive Trump's term so we have to be even more careful of him. I would love to have dinner with the guy, I think he needs to take some psychedelics and he'll be a much more valuable human for mankind. He reminds me of Elon Musk, very intelligent and capable and is doing great stuff from mankind but is driven by like fear and distrust of the average person so they must be restrained or great harm will happen. Elon Musk has killed a lot of people through his actions at DOGE, it's very unfortunate that such a smart man is so narrow minded. I do thank Leo for posting about the spiral dynamics model, it helps make sense of what's happening here. They just have not touched stage green and have a misstrust of it but are able to tap into stage yellow systemic ideas but not really understand the multiperpativalism aspect of it and thus lack respect for other ways of viewing the world that don't have to do with efficiency and success.

That's a pretty weird way to jump into a conversation, I don't think that's what he was saying and I don't appreciate your comment. I think it borderlines deserves a warning point for being a personal attack. I think a lot of your takes are silly and I've never personally insulted you for it.

I've been psychotic myself and it landed me in jail so if I were you I would work very hard on training your consciousness before thinking of quitting your medication. Be extremely careful with it and work on grounding mechanisms as you are basically betting your life on this. How it works is you have to deconstruct your reality and what you even are and watch out for your human self. You have to prioritize your safety over any type of realizations or phenomena that you experience. Now that you know what psychosis feels like you should be able to control it much easier. Ask yourself these questions, even if you do hear your family's voices in your head why does that really impact your daily life? Why did you try to commit suicide on the road? Thinking about your mom while masturbating is clearly a very unplesant thought but it shouldn't distabilize you enough that you run on the street naked. Watch some sigmund freud videos on Youtube and realize the mind is a very weird thing and it imagines all kinds of weird concepts literally pehaps all weird concepts imaginable. I've thought about my dad shitting before and what if I'm attracted to my dad since I'm bisexual and I told my mind to cut it out with the weird thoughts I don't want to think about this and it works over time. Don't reject your thoughts but don't let your mind rule you also. It's so common for gay or bisexual conservatives to flip the fuck out and violently prosecute or antaganonize LGBTQ people for example because they judge their own urges and mind. Just accept it and move on but also train yourself to have control over it. Thoughts are not actions, it's not because you have any kind of thought that it has to lead to you taking an action. Sit down and really ponder it over especially if it's gonna lead to some major consequenences that reality has to make happen for you to be coherent and tangible. The fact that you are blaming the medication for making you obese is not a good sign of ultimate agency and control of the mind. It's not because a substance makes you really hungry and low energy that you should stuff your face. Of course it's difficult but the low agency road to life leads in poor results whether you are on anti-psychotic medications or not. Also better anti psychotics are coming out all the time so it's unnessary to take the risk of going off of them. If you wait 10 years you will have even better therapy and better meds available. I told my buddy one time to go off his anti psychotics and just meditate and he landed in the psych ward a few days after so I don't really advise that anymore.

Grounding mechanisms in spiritual work are so fundamental, otherwise you will literally go psychotic and insane. I've had similar experiences of overthinking my bodily functions and I've come to the conclusion it's just the psyche scanning for threats. If you actually feel perfectly safe in your reality and think that's too good to be true probably your psyche is coming to the conclusion that the only thing that can harm you is a random heart attack and over focusing on that. When I overfocus on things that don't make sense I try to use the most basic grounding mechanisms possible like drinking cold water, doing pushups or masturbating lol. It doesn't really make sense to focus on the grand picture scheme of is reality fundamentally real or not especially if it gives you anxiety, whatever you can experience right now is real enough in my books.

I've felt before that I was communication telepathically with people and other minds but the utility of that is limited beyond feeling a general sense of connectiveness and belonging with the world. We have to accept that we are living in material reality and we are separate entites and abide by the rules of the game otherwise dangerous delusions and psychosis are right around the corner. Technology is the proven realiable way to communicate with people at scale, other methods are unrealiable even if more true fundamentally. I've felt before that I was communicating with the mind of Steve Jobs as he was in India taking psychedelics and on that same path as him of pushing humanity forward and it was a cool thought but doesn't relate to my daily life. It's probably true because I do believe in non-duality and we are all the same mind but I'm now very careful between absolute truth and the very real consequences of real life.

I understand that perspective but I think it's a bit dangerous. You cannot rely on relativism to judge the material world, it's not a viable strategy. For example the house that you are living in, hopefully you trust and respect the people that built it otherwise you might worry that they skipped safety standards and it could collapse at any time. It's not pretension to expect high standards from people, in times of low pressure incompetence can do the job but anytime the shit hits the fan you will realize quickly the difference between relying on solid structures or house of cards. Another example are the people that respected Donald Trump without being critical of his background and then trusted him to watch over their safety and that of their children and then he dragged them into a war that can easily descend into acts of terrorism on american soil. Another common one are women that respect a man without thinking it through and once they get pregnant and have kids realize that their partner is a deadbeat and they can't rely on him.

I appreciate you elaborating but I think your view is very naive. If you remove surveillance and police the world will turn into violent anarchy and probably revert back to actual slavery quite quickly. It's not so much the average person you have to worry about surveilling it's the people that are perfectly willing to impose their will on society through violence. The problem is the people currently in charge are also people that are willing to impose their will through violence so we have quite teh connundrum. I do like the push back on surveillance though, these two guys are doing a great job holding Flock Safety accountable for their lies around their traffic cameras. I think fundamentally this push-pull effect is the true way forward if you let either the mass public or the elites get the whole say it'll devolve into either anarchy or totalitarianism.

That's fair putting everything into a dichotomy is not very helpful. Are you not a fan of mass surveillance? I think genuinely it's the way to move the world forward but it's hard to trust the current forms of government to be able to handle it. Generally having a monopoly of force and not letting criminals roam free has helped society tremendously and there are a way of random crimes hitting the world it seems due to the economy going bad like the London knife crime epidemic for example. Surveillance is not the only tool to help fix the situation, education and genuine ways of upward mobility are important but I think in 5 years we'll have robot police and AI cameras everywhere in most western cities and that's a good thing.

Yes monopolies tend to cut corners and get more and more corrupt because they can and have no accountability. If there was another global soccer tournament that popped up I think they would be forced to clean up their act. Markets need at least 2-3 top competitors or they get really shitty.

Well what are you seeking? Personally I'm in a business and no more excuses phase of my life so I quite like Alex Hormozi. That man is so smart every video of his I watch I get an ephiphany. Much deeper and more accurate than most other business gurus out there. He's pretty close to a genius, he graduated from Vanderbilt early and was a consultant for the military before he decided to quit and pursue his life purpose and become a personal trainer and start gyms. Super inspiring guy and he shares his whole journey online.

For someone like Andrew who constantly speaks about intelligence and competence, isn't this quite obvious? If the US has an extradition treaty with the UK isn't this super predictable with one AI session? Why tf would they risk this? Just chill in the 50 countries that have no treaties with the UK if you want to be a free criminal on the loose. Most criminals tend to be dumb thankfully and it's a self-correcting system of the universe.

In what way do you think Peter Thiel is insane?

Peter thiel reminds me of this meme for some reason lol He is clearly a very competent and ressourceful guy but he's missing some chill and spirituality perhaps and comes up with some very strange takes. He does explain himself in long form content and seems genuine in his pursuit for truth so I do respect that about him. I watched his Joe rogan interview it was pretty good. He was open about him being curious about the JFK case and trying to figure out life so I think he's mostly an honest guy. Also he seems interested in eschatology and looking into the anti-christ stuff which to me is interesting.

Yes this screams depression and dissociation to me. I feel the dead energy from people who are overwhelmed with life and their soul and aspirations are crushed. Some people though are bursting with aliveness and there are sparkles and shine in their eyes, they radiate life. It's rare to see because life is tough but it's beautiful. I notice it especially with attractive femininine expressive women that are enjoying their life and don't really worry about much.

I think I agree but Natasha also phrased it in the context of a partner. If your partner respects you but doesn't love you they will probably break up with you due to the relationship being boring and not very alive. If your partner loves you and doesn't respect you then she might stop fucking you or being attracted to you but you can work on yourself and fix it or get other women. Being emotionally connected to women is the core of the male to female dynamic and the respect part is more your relationship to the dominance hierarchy and society at large. @Natasha Tori Maru Also to answer your point on contractors demanding respect sometimes they can be worth respect and you just forget to give it but a lot of times men that ask for respect haven't done to earn it and they're trying to gaslight/manipulate you into giving praise like a hurt child. I don't think that's very respectable. @Schizophonia Respect has to do with valuing the competence or contribution of someone. If they don't contribute much what is there to respect? You perhaps respect your parents because they've added a lot of value to your life or a teacher like Leo because he offers you insights that you don't encounter in society at large.

Do you think perhaps you're depressed and feel unconnected to the world and this is what you mean by this? I don't really understand it another way, feel free to explain.

Feelings are kind of the soul interpreting reality without the logic to filter it. They are very vivid but can sometimes be dangerous.

Definitely love. Respect is too intellectual. I'm sure some women respect certain authors or people whose professional work they admire, but love or lust is completely different—and that's what you want if you desire a passionate relationship with women. Respect doesn't have much sexual polarity to it. It's important as well but secondary.

There is some truth to this but Owen definitely has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to traditional markers of success and status. What he says is correct but half truths. Most people won't get phenomenal success from just cold approach because they don't structure their life like he did. He went all in and went out basically every day for a decade and built a business around it. Most dudes that have a job and go out a few times a month won't have the same level of leverage from just social skills. I've met some of RSD Madison's students when they were out on bootcamp in Toronto after a few nights of coaching and it seems like he didn't teach them basic things like dressing well and one dude had these really funky thick glasses that made it at least 5x harder for him to hook women. Stuff like this needs to be fixed to get great results with the least amount of pain possible. Also a lot of looksmaxxing is fitness and muscles. Upper body muscle mass is one of the top predictors attraction for a man that actually translates to sexual interest in women. Leo's blog post is a bit cope. Women don't fuck enlightened dudes in droves, they fuck those that give them the right cocktails of emotions which is basically dopamine. Who get's laid more an enlightenment guru or the average club promoter? The whole human experience's point is to experience materialism, just being high consciousness will not cut it. If you can be as materialistic as possible while being high consciousness and loving and growth oriented THEN I think you got a good recipe for hooking up with a lot of hot high quality women.