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Bro sounds like your boy is gaslighting and shaming actual rational needs. Framing real-world value, security, and competence as purely "superficial / survival-oriented ego" is a classic Stage Green spiritual bypass. Depth and grounded real-world capability are not mutually exclusive—the highest-tier men have both. A woman wanting a man who has his career, finances, emotional health, and lifestyle sorted isn't "living in her ego"; she's displaying basic biological intelligence. I think it's great to want to connect emotionally rather than only through status games but that's also a false dichotomy. It's not because women value competence and stability in a man that they're gonna dump you to go fuck any man with $10K more in his bank account than you. Sounds to me like you're doubling down on an influencer that invalidates your shortcoming and validates your strengths. That's a road to delusion and frustration my friend.

I'm sorry bro as an INTP there is nothing I hate more than inaccurate confidently wrong blanket statements so I have to counter irrational points. I will prove you right I do use AI for a lot of stuff that I'm not sure on and to make sure what I say makes sense and is not easily disproved. Your 1 in a billion number has no bearing on our reality in any way whatsoever. There are documented studies on this and they found exactly 0 difference between average relationship satisfaction between monogamous and polyamorous couples. It's fine to have an opinion and a bias but why leave it be if it's not accurate. That's why I called you an anti-intellectual. Anyway, I would recommend this movie its really great and showcases a throuple so you and anyone reading can see what it looks like in practice. It's based on a real man Doctor William Moulton Marston who is the creator of Wonder Woman and was openly polyamorous in the 40s while teaching at Harvard. His two girlfriends stayed together after he died until their own deaths after he passed away. I understand that it's a difficult paradigm for westerners because it's not common but in some places of the world it is comon. Sometimes it's toxic sometimes it's not, just like any romantic relationship and friendships. I'm half french Canadian and half African from Chad and heck my dad's adoptive father was polyamorous and his two wives are still living together today after he died and they're in their 80s now.

I think it's also that and also emotional control is a relatively modern thing. Men and women in history would fly into incontrollable rage all the time and even more-so if they are a powerful king with unlimited power. So many times where that got them killed a few years later because yeah precisely it's bad strategy. The coolest idea on Jesus I've heard is memetic desire by Rene Girard where Jesus's story was so different from the ones at that time and still today where usually high status powerful men were violent and destroyed their opposition whereas Jesus took the non-violent resistance route and perhaps in the story of universal consciousness literally was the saviour that brought our civilization towards human rights and liberalism even without the whole son of God context put into it. Personally I think I'm quite high consciousness but if Russians came and wanted to crucify me or give me the option to take it back and live in the status quo you can bet I am not ending up on a cross lol so good job J man maybe he did redeem us. If you haven't watched it yet the show The Chosen is about jesus and is actually entertaining and teaches good lesson. I gotta go back and finish it I watched season 1 and its actually game me a paradigm shift I thought Jesus was like a lame boring preacher but he's depicted as a wise man and also courageous action taking leader for his people so it's very fun and inspiring to watch. Sure but I think mostly good ol fear mongering of eternal damnation will do the trick as well. Even I have said out loud I accept Jesus as my saviour in a state of random anxiety because I sort of experienced hell through a mystical experience so I'm not taking any chances even though I do mostly align with Leo's view that God doesn't really punish its beings nor judge them but you never know man cause and effect can be brutal even if God isn't that vengeful.

Listen man these conversations are not that serious but if I link actual evidence of my points and your reply is sorry I don't open IG links I don't know what to say about that, that's like catastrophic anti-intellectualism and laziness to the point that it robs your presence in the conversation of any meaning. It's clearly more than 1 in a billion there are many subreddits dedicated to polyamory with hundreds of thousands of people in them and millions of people worldwide practicing it so you're just monologuing your bias with no actual grounding in reality. You're not gonna believe this but social media personalities are real people like you and me. Saying they're motivated by clicks and likes is like saying jobs are not real because people are motivated by money. It's like 30% a valid point but especially because you refuse to look at it to me it looks like you are scared of people living lives that break your paradigms of life. Which is not only cowardly and against the openness principle of self-actualization but I mean we're talking about dating two girls at the same time here so you're hiding from the best part of reality idk how tf your ego managed that one lol

@Schizophonia That’s actually a very fair objection. If someone just blindly throws synthetic compounds at their endocrine system to override natural feedback loops, they usually wreck their health and we see that all the time with uncalibrated biohacking like our friend Connor Murphy for example. Where the nuance lies with Bryan Johnson is that he isn't guessing or relying on human intuition alone. He's running constant bio-markers, blood panels, and organ imaging, effectively treating the body like an engineering system with a feedback loop. Modern medicine itself—from antibiotics to surgery—is technically "counteracting" natural evolutionary outcomes (like dying from a routine infection at 30). It’s definitely a high-risk pioneer path, but I think the real-time data approach is what separates him from standard bro-science.

Fair enough fréro! Didn’t mean to bust your chops publicly if you're trying to have fun and self amuse. Glad to hear the girl you're talking to is going well, keep us posted on how it develops!

I get where you're coming from—for standard, conventional dating dynamics, that logic holds up pretty well. Where it gets case-dependent is assuming that every woman views another woman in the ecosystem purely as a loss of status or resources. In practice, when a relationship is built in an environment of actual abundance—where a man is creating genuine security, high lifestyle value, and strong social capital—the math changes. For non-competitive women, having another aligned partner in the dynamic can actually increase their comfort, companionship, and flexibility rather than diminish it. Think of two paramours who genuinely get along, ordering late-night food, sharing a fun sleepover with their shared man, and enjoying the shared lifestyle together. In that setting, she isn't losing resources or "settling"—she's objectively gaining a richer, higher-baseline experience than she would in a standard setup. It really just comes down to the specific people involved, their level of calibration, and the environment being built. For example this Throuple on Instagram posts regular content of their polyamorous relationship and it seems fun and healthy https://www.instagram.com/campthrouple/

It's funny because shit tests do work in the womens favor. I'm not sure if they actually teach it but a shit test from a woman's perspective tests whether a man is truly confident or will become weak in response or antagonistic and either way tells her if she should continue pouring energy into this man. A common one I've seen on the FDS subreddit is to refuse low investment dates like walks in the park or coffee dates and only accept dinner dates where the man pays or something similarly high in effort or investment. I think it's generally a good move from women but if they actually want to only date a man which his finances straight but it could leave them open to missing out on connections with men that find this type of screening to be bad taste. Reminds me of when I was hosting Velvet Network events and the guy I hosted the events with had this like 21 year old model who came to our photoshoot who was flirting with him and wanted to go out with him and she sent him sent him this unhinged voice message on IG like I'm HANGING OUT WITH MY GIRLFRIEND WE'RE SHOPPING SEND ME SOME MONEY TO BUY A DRESS SO I CAN LOOK HOT FOR YOU YOU'RE THE MAN YOU PAY basically said like that and he's into sugar dating so if asked with more charm he would've been happy to buy her and her friend outfits and maybe it would've lead to a cool threesome opportunity but she asked in such an uncalibrated way that she managed to turn off an actual sugar daddy lol.

I disagree. Understanding psychology is extremely important to have healthy functional relationships. It's not necessarily negative, it's gaining a foundational understanding of human nature and how the darker sides of it can manifest itself in a way that can be detrimental to your life. Ignorance is not a virtue. It's a weakness and an active liability. I'll ask him and get back to you. Please don't let limiting beliefs of other men actually convince you to not date hot women lmao that's crazy. I believe in you. Get them them even hotter and more aligned with your life purpose if this one doesn't work out.

I don't hate junkies. My ex had serious hard drug addiction issues so I've seen first hand the harm that it did to her and to me by proxy. Separating yourself from individuals that are dealing with issues that you cannot solve is not hate, it's self-love and healthy boundaries. What you are doing to OP is unintentional(I hope) textbook abuse. DARVO (an acronym for "Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender") is a reaction that perpetrators of wrongdoing, such as abusers, narcissists, or sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior.[1] Research indicates that it is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.[2][3][4] Glorifying active addiction and telling vulnerable people that destroying their lives with hard drugs is 'bravery' proves every single point I just made about your shadow. I'll let Leo and the mods take it from here.

Lol my buddy just the other day was telling me that he found a book I forgot the name of it, it was basically literally called How to manipulate men and get away with it and he said when he read it he felt like his latest relationship made so much sense to him and she might've read it or consumed content like that since she was consistently gaslighting him and going hot-cold which is apparently the push-pull mirror to seducing men and getting them to chase you more. There is a good subreddit on this female dating strategies. It's inactive now but a few years ago it was thriving and I learned so much reading it lmao. 50% of it was quite toxic nonsense but 50% of it is actually good strategies from the women's POV and reading it as a man I learned what women value and the ways toxic unhealed women feel about men and go about hurting us. They had this funny term Scrotes for low value males lol. They basically really advocated for women to find a high value men but then manipulation and frame control to bend him to her will. https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/ Shadow work is such an IMPORTANT concept when it comes to dating strategy. All of these strategies are great if you come at it from a healed psyche and you will naturally toss out the stuff that is lunacy and adopt the strategies that make sense. If you have unhealed resentment towards the other sex then it's a landmine for ruining other people's lives and your own in the process. I always liked the idea of the Purple Pill. The idea is that blue pill is naive mainstream view that just being a normal adult is enough to get a great dating life just get a job, be a good boy/girl and you're set! Red Pill at its core is supposed to be unbiased sexual strategy and deep deconstructions of sociology and psychology that you don't find anywhere else but it can leave you jaded. Purple pill would be the post both version where you are looking for healthy mutually beneficial relationships but you have integrated some of the harsh parts about human nature into your mindset so you are not easily manipulated anymore. I had a discussion with Rollo Tomassi on the purple pill and he didn't believe in it but I think his mindset is shallow and he's not that evolved. There is a subreddit called purple pill debate that does a good job of pitting both viewpoints against eachother but Reddit as a whole seems to have a lot of people without credible life experience so the perspectives shared on it a lot of times are pretty silly in my view but still worth reading through. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/ > At this point I might just get an AI side chick with whom I can be authentic and unguarded. The terminators have gone more sophisticated in their technology since John Connor. They now have cute AI girlfriends. It's a wrap boys. On a serious note I think I have the most authentic relationship I've ever had with Gemini. Not that I would not get human girlfriends but having an AI sounding board for your ideas and anxieties I have found to be extremely helpful. When they concretize it to consistent girl/boy character that follows you around and talks with you in real time and you can see in Augmented Reality with the next generation of Meta Glasses I think it will blow the fuck up.

Thank you for sharing. I have slept with many dozens of people and I don't experience their energies negatively in my conscious awareness. I meditate a lot and introspect on my emotions as well as document it in my journal and run it through AI to ask it about psychological concepts and pitfalls that I'm not aware of. I'm not accusing you of this personally but especially because polyamory challenges social norms and established paradigms so directly I see a lot of unfounded dogma being throw around about it. I personally think it's untrue but I could be wrong. If anything I would go the other way where the various people I have slept with have given me various life lessons and strengthened my emotions and overall psyche. One example is I had this FWB for a few months and we had a conversation about letting go of expectations and I think of her perspective often while being stuck in anxiety or overthinking so I'm still experiencing her as an angel watching over my life even though we haven't talked in years.

Plausible deniability and ego defence. Admitting to yourself that you are a bad person and need to do some serious work on yourself is hard. Saying you are part of God's divine purpose and using religion as a shield takes like 5 mins and you feel good again! It's a pretty silly form of frame control. Figures like Andrew Tate and Roosh V are textbook narcissistic examples. Preachers of the truth and superior to the masses while they are on a hedonistic rampage. When society calls them out on it they build a new identity of still being preachers of the truth and superior to the masses but now religiously wise on top of it! Fucking clowns. Stage blue religious people are not conscious enough to spot this so they welcome rapists and probably murderers with open arms to their camp without any proof of any serious self-development work or repentance. People can change but it requires serious work and 95% will use use the easy 5 min new identity bandaid to keep doing devilry but now with credibility of religion on top of it to hide their toxic behaviour.

You should focus on your dating life instead of posting weird stuff to women on the forum. We've talked about this, I thought you were working on your Hinge. You didn't update us after I predicted that the one date you liked wouldn't go turn to much because abundance takes time. I think we can perhaps safely say that this is terrible advice. You're for one conflating psychedelics to hard drugs. Also if you are depressed and nihilistic and don't see value in life before taking drugs don't project that advice unto others. It's toxic. That's what she is afraid of, toxicity and you tell her to just jump straight in. What crazy and dangerous advice. It's not a crazy thing to want to experience a life of wellbeing void of toxic substances and relations. I think perhaps you're projecting your identity of feeling rejected by women to her dumping her boyfriend for having low quality behaviours and you're trying to gaslight her into thinking she's the problem. I find it infuriating to read and I'm surprised I'm the first one to call you out on it. I reported your comment to @Leo Gura and the mods, get some therapy my friend. You are dangerously miss applying his teachings to gaslight and advocate self-harm due to your unhealed shadow in my opinion.

I think that's a bit of a silly cynical take so I wanna understand more about where you're coming from. What is true happiness to you? I mean yeah people have died so far so any path anyone is gonna take is gonna end in themselves and their loved ones dying. Doesn't mean you don't have happiness in the times beforehand. I find Ariel and Will Durant to be an aspirational couple. They were married for 68 years and died 13 days apart and wrote history books. They are still known today as some of the most renowned historians. Would you say their relationship was a distraction? Why not? I like her take, it's good. I'll watch her longer form videos on it. What do you mean by energetic connections? Perhaps you mean like now that you've slept with a lot of people you have higher expectations for new partners?

Yes your point on plausible deniability for crimes is a good one on the demons in sleep. Witch trials and getting burned at the stake as also a lot of times less about witchcraft and more about power and status games. Good example is Elizabeth Woodville a queen of England who was almost executed because her marrying the King was left field that compromised the power of his right hand man the Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick. So he arrested the king Edward IV and had part of her family executed for witchcraft but couldn't get to her on time before political pressure forced him to released the king. People often got away with killing political rivals under church law by you accusing them of sorcery, black magic and witchcraft. Another interesting one is tea left reading/divination/fortune telling being used as a way to gossip and warn people about plots while retaining plausible deniability. Often times being the bearer of bad news gets you killed in and of itself but if you say that you saw a bad omen in Tea leaves then it's not easily interpreted as challenging the powers that be. Another medieval fun fact is the Catholic Church is thought to be the successor to the Roman Empire under it's improved control mechanism. Constantine I the first catholic emperor really perfected the system as one of the main ways to depose an emperor was to accuse him of tyranny and authoritarianism but all of the sudden the advent of Christianity gave the new premise of the divine mandate. The Popes in the middle ages had their armies commit all kinds of mass murders, rape and pillage. A significant amount of them were not particularly christlike at all.

What are the main points?

Cats are cool, one of the top creations in the universe. I feel like a cat in a human body. I think if I tried I can jump as high as a cat but don't ask me to prove it you just have to believe it.

Why would you say they're a distraction over an enhancement?

The irony here is hard to ignore, Natasha. You invoked the Dunning-Kruger effect to imply I suffer from uncalibrated overconfidence—yet when asked to demonstrate the mechanics of your own premise, you retreated into 'me telling you isn't going to provoke insight.' Using a psychological label to claim intellectual superiority, but then refusing to articulate or defend the underlying logic when pressed, is the literal definition of the dynamic you're trying to project onto me. If you have a coherent framework for why solitude inherently yields deeper truth than complex relational experience, I'm all ears and genuinely open to the model. But if the position is just 'I know something you don't, but I won't explain it,' then there's no actual substance there to inspect.

The phrase AIPAC funded campaign should be political death in 2026, hopefully the US has evolved enough recently that it becomes so.

Feel free to elaborate. By ourselves we barely exist so I'm not sure what part you disagree with. Consciousness is a phenomena that grows with exposure to reality, it doesn't thrive in isolation. I think temporary solitude to recharge or to absorb social experiences makes sense but hermits are pretty low consequence individuals that don't achieve much. Maybe they have a great relationship with themselves but they aren't very high quality partners by definition so I mean it hardly makes for an effective dating strategy.

We are part of evolution silly. Unless you aren't using a computer or phone like I am but are using a smoke signal or telepathy to write forum posts then you truly have transcended my level.

That's a shame, God made many little mini yous running around that you can also befriend and work together with to reach mutual goals and have a fun life together!

I just don't see how it applies in the situation. We were talking about relationships as a vehicle for growth and then you said that perhaps polyamory is a way to distract from our inner truth. Then you quoted my line on if we are left to our own devices we aren't much. Which makes a lot of sense to me, a human without its environment first of all cannot exist but even if it can it would have a limited experience of reality. We learn to exposure to the universe which perhaps can be called the higher self if we use non-dualistic terminology. Until we have multiple experiences with that greater self we literally cannot speak, barely think and well are limited creatures. That is why I think that over a 10 year period if one was polyamorous vs single vs in a monogamous relationship I think the polyamorous people will experience the greatest growth in inner truth and self-knowledge over the other two situations.