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We can talk about it in 200 years, dm me and I'll show you this post. Don't die before then. Perhaps in 50 million years we will be dead but now we are looping back to enlightenment and nonduality that death is ultimately illusory. I fear that you are using spirituality as a cope for personal passivity though. We must be more like Thor and personally lead mankind towards peace and prosperity in my book. Everyone has the power to become an impactful leader. Absolutely my friend, our victory is inevitable and whoever our enemies are should tremble as their fate shall not be death but labelling themselves as enemies of mankind as they become immortal pariahs. I think literally not joking with you guys we will have the technology to bring back Hitler to life and put him in jail, checkmate evil. You can run but you can't hide.

You don't think people dying in brutal ways is scary and an unfortunate thing to solve? Usually spiritual minded folks use a solipsistic bubble as insulation against precisely that and finding ways to solve these very real problems. I think your mindset is beautiful as a base but usually people stay there and avoid being an impactful agent of change. Not sure if that's your case but that's a lot of people on this very forum for sure. Like wars have to actually be solved otherwise they keep going and escalate. Leo has a beautiful quote on one of his politics video thats like the proble with avoiding politics is you end up being governed by your inferiors. This is how we end up with a pedophile US president starting new wars left and right. We gotta take him down guys, it's up to us. We will assemble in an even more powerful way than the avengers and save mankind ourselves. At least that's my personal mission, idk what you guys have set for your life purposes tho

100%. I find sexual transmutatio extremely hard though and when I do nofap I tend to go around looking to fuck people and get angsty and don't actually get more work done. Porn can perhaps be a productivity tool is used properly lol, I think it's training wheels and masturbation without stimuli is much better as dopaminine desensatization is a killer for long term goals but fuck it's hard boys and girls. We got girl gooners now

Totally. I find it great that we have teachers on the internet to speed up our learning curves. If I didn't learn from Leo, Owen Cook, RSD Luke and Michael Sartain my life would be at best 10% of what it already is today let alone the massive things I'm planning over the next couple decades. God bless evolution!

Exactly, that's precisely my point. You are avoiding researching geopolitics and tracking the project of technology and using spirituality as a protection mechanism to feel better about the scary parts of reality. See how you are using absolutes on things where you should just use the concept of not knowing here? Why would there never be any other way? Why are you putting this constraint on reality? I addressed this on my post on how AI will soon cure aging and death here :

To each their own is precisely the egoic trap you guys are falling into. You are gifted ALL of reality not just your personal interpretation of it. It's not because you feel at peace with yourself that a starving dude with a knife won't kill you to steal $100 from you. That's the crocodile analogy that Leo has been posting about on his blog. You are gifted the ability to gain power over reality itself and not just your personal psyche. Being understood is the basis of social skills and what we talk about in the dating section, it's what pickup teaches you. Social media and social circle game is the ability to make powerful alliances with other beings all over the world. Be extremely careful diminishing these things as they will impact your well impact.

Of course debate is possible, we have to strictly define our terms and and be specific in the points we're making. For example you can love enlightenment work, how are your personal finances doing? What are you gonna do if global conflicts escalate and China attacks Taiwan and consumer prices go up 3x? Are you prepared for this? The grocery store yesterday charged me $3 for a single tomato what on earth is wrong with them, I just wanted to make a cheap sandwhich. Usually spiritual people avoid materialistic topics because you can't wrap them up with beautiful poetic sayings and you just have to boringly figure out the financial constraints of the world and be a highly competent person in the marketplace which I think most people get into spirituality to avoid doing. It doesn't invalidate the spiritual work but it completes it in my view and is what separates a stage green person from a stage yellow systems thinker. Stage green people use their emotions to protect them against the injustice of the world and obivously that's not very effective.

This is why we have to be precise with our speech and not fall into generalizations and break down how exactly they help people and the effects on the followers life. Listening to some of the dudes the main benefit it would give you is peace in death because your life is an illusion! I would call that not very helpful might as well smoke some weed at that point. I like Leo because a lot of what he says is practical. He started out as a businessman which shows because business tests theories against reality. I think he contradicts himself sometimes like railing against science when he uses the scientific method to produce a lot of his insights and content so I would call him a high quality scientist of enlightenment work. Tony Robbins is pretty good too, most other teachers credit him for inspiring him. I watched one of his business 5 day events with a friend, it was not bad but I think he can be a bit pushy and cultish but I mean he's helped more people than I have so on that one I am critiquing from below.

I think we have to be very careful with some of these gurus and enlightened teachers because they are fundamentally not very impactful human beings and they use their spiritual practice to find personal peace and let other people more competent than them solve the real problems that we all face collectively. It's also pivots back to epistemology, when somebody says something beautiful that sounds so profound what process have you gone through to validate what they're saying and that they're not saying nonsense to make themselves feel better? Not saying it's solely that but a lot of it is for sure.

I found a lot of peace in my limitations and understood that there is a greater process than my individual human self is aware of so I should trust God and the universe more because I'm not that competent anyway so why stress out too much. I still try to be better and raise my skills in the areas that have to do with my goals but some of these billionaire dudes work 14 hour days and don't really change that much about the world apart from their personal enterprise and the people around them so I'm giving myself a break. 14 hours a day is too much lol I work like 3-4 hours solid hours on deep work and the rest on adjacent tasks.

Why don't you care about us? I hope that you do and are using that phrasing as a defence mechanism. I care about you and everyone on the forum that's why sometimes I'm a bit harsh in my phrasing. I think some people's viewpoints are genuinely damaging to their life. I'm learning to be a better communicator as insulting people doesn't lead to productive dialogue most times. I also think being very harsh with our intellectual standards is how we improve and rise above the tough conditions of the world so I welcome anybody else doing the same to me. Thanks for the compliments I try to be valuable, it's one of my core life philosophies. It's fine to chit chat and shoot the shit sometimes but these are real problems we're facing if we're talking about dating and personal finance issues. That's why I specifically wanted to call you out on the page 2 comments about accusing some of us of whiteknighting and stepping in when someone criticizes women. That's not really my goal, an individual woman should get constructive criticism if her actions are not conducive to her goals or hurting the people around her. We're mostly men here though and a lot of us are falling into complacency instead of being high competence individuals which I think solves a lot of problems of happiness in life. Getting consistent Ws in life cures most depression in my experience and the rest is spirituality which the whole forum is based around so usually the materialistic stuff and success is the shadow.

No they are not imaginary enemies, they are their competitors in their business that they make more more money than if they beat them in the ball shooting or hitting game. I rather work on my own business than watch another man work on his. Well that is a lie, I like to procrastinate a lot but still when you bring balls into it, it becomes too silly my brain tells me to get back to work Competition is not a bad thing my brother, it's how we define ourselves against reality. Iron sharpens iron, if you don't compete you're gonna get dull quite quickly. Attacking the world productively is a great life stragegy; paradoxically while keeping a collaborative mindset at the core of it.

You're very welcome my brother. Hope you figure it out and you build your life into something incredible. I'm active on the business and dating sections so feel free to participate in there to figure out concrete steps to crush your goals.

There’s no logical leap—there's just a misunderstanding of what a subjective interface is. Subjectivity isn't a barrier that hides objective reality; it’s the localized translated rendering of it. When a camera captures light, the photo isn't "fake" or "isolated from the world" just because it’s a 2D render—it is a direct, accurate recording of objective photons interacting with a lens. Objective reality isn't something sitting "behind" experience that we have to guess at. It has infinite facets, and our subjective hardware is simply one localized way it experiences itself. Using different tools, senses, or models doesn't create new illusions; it expands the bandwidth of the same objective system we've been interacting with the whole time. Reality is a complex system so it evolves as we evolve alongside it. Saying we can't experience objective reality is like saying you can't experience Earth because you haven't been to Monaco or to the deep core of the earth. Reality is like a buffet that we get to experience over time! Speaking of buffets I find the ones with the chefs that make the omelets in front of you to be mind boggling, it's like a buffet and fine dining at the same time. Almost too good to be true like a nondual dining experience! I gotta go to another one soon.

I think you're lost in a solipsistic bubble and delusions. What you're saying is easily disprovable in many ways as I've already done. Wish you the best my friend.

You seem very resentful and angry, what is that about? You did it as well on page 2 by being mad that women aren't criticized more and that they get more attention than men. Be careful with the victim mindset, in life you can get better or bitter.

If a server hosts this forum while you're asleep, it is actively processing data, executing code, and drawing power. You don't have to 'assume' it exists; you can measure its output, audit its logs, and test its uptime. Similarly with reality. Redefining basic causality as an 'unproven assumption' just because you aren't looking at it is a weird idea IMO.

You are seeing objective reality, you are just perceiving it subjectively. It does exist, it's actually the only thing that exists. We are how objective reality experiences itself locally. Saying we can't experience the objective because we translate it into our terms is like saying you can't hear music because you use your ears to listen to it and ears can only translate vibration, it's a bit silly.

Well obviously, I don't understand why a lot of people here pretend otherwise. It's such a strange point like who do they think they're talking to on an internet forum of all places? When I feel at highest consciousness it's like my consciousness flows into others and it's a seemless exchange but that doesn't invalidate other beings. It doesn't have any logical sense.

No. You’re making the classic pop-physics mistake of confusing quantum measurement with human conscious awareness. In the double-slit experiment, the wave function collapses when a particle interacts with a detector (or any physical system that registers information), not when a human brain "looks" at it. Decoherence happens through continuous environmental interaction—air molecules, thermal radiation, and gravity are "measuring" your room every microsecond. It doesn't "desolidify" behind you because the physical interactions maintaining its state don't pause just because your retinas aren't active. You are confusing qualia with ontology. When you close your eyes, the blackness you "see" is just your brain processing the lack of optical data from your retinas. That is a limitation of your sensory hardware, not a feature of physical reality. Conflating "I am no longer rendering visual data" with "the underlying system has ceased to exist" is like turning off your computer monitor and claiming the CPU stopped processing code. My guy if what you were saying was true when you closed your eyes you would fall through your bed and the floor and the earth. You realize how absurd that is? Really think about it for a few minutes.

I appreciate you using AI to draft your points, it elevates the quality of the conversation. Hoffman does not argue that the universe is an empty void or that physical objects are illusions created on the spot by your immediate awareness. Hoffman argues that space-time is a structured "desktop" representing a deeper, highly complex network of objective interactions (which he models as conscious agents). A computer desktop icon hides the complex code of the operating system, but the code is still there executing real functions—the computer doesn't turn into a blank black screen just because you minimize a window. Even according to quantum mechanics and Hoffman's framework, an "interface" implies an underlying objective reality that the interface tracks. When you close your eyes, you lose the visual icon of the room, but the room's causal structure remains fully intact. If you walk forward with your eyes closed, you will still crash into a wall because the wall's atomic resistance and mass continue to operate entirely separate from your visual feedback loop. Perception isn't a single human-only movie screen; different species have vastly different sensory interfaces shaped by evolution. Honeybees see ultraviolet light; pit vipers see infrared heat signatures; dogs experience the world primarily through an olfactory map. If reality were just a subjective human "black screen" when eyes close, an eagle flying overhead would still be interacting with objective physical coordinates (like air pressure, thermal columns, and mouse movement) that have causal weight independent of any human observer.

I'm confused about why your posts have resenment in them. Why are you upset about this?

I brought up public figures because they are concrete examples of humans operating within the society we share—I certainly don't think we're friends. When the claim is "nothing exists outside direct experience," bringing up other people and their knowledge is the only logical counter-argument. Other people build houses, perform surgery, and design systems using information neither of us personally possess in our immediate awareness. I apologize for being insulting. It’s genuinely frustrating because every time I address a point (like building foundations or atomic structure), you shift the goalpost to a new abstraction—from flat rendering, to animators, to quantum mechanics. It feels like arguing with ghost points because we aren't using a shared standard of logic or cause-and-effect to ground the discussion. The core mistake here is confusing phenomenology with ontology. Phenomenology is how reality appears through the limited lens of human sensory perception (like 2D light hitting a retina). Ontology is what actually exists and operates underneath those perceptions (like physical mechanics, atomic structures, and shared external infrastructure).

Not at all you've not understood it. Do you understand though that this is why you hate people like Elon Musk? Because they take complex ideas and make something useful out of them whereas you spout absolute nonsense and defend it endlessly? The reason Elon Musk can do astrophysics and you can't is because he is not lost in delusions.

@Leo Gura Why do you tolerate people saying such nonsense? Does it not hurt your brain?