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@Danioover9000 Doubt there's a legitimate reason for it, usually, these ideologies are conscious enough to be based on rationality; it's' generally just superstition. I wonder if this could lead Bali to be a bit more sovereign politically as they're generally much more liberal than mainland Indonesia AFAIK. I think perhaps some of it has to do with sexpats/sex tourism, I doubt that the local men are generally fond of this concept. It's interesting how the law is being written though, someone related to you has to report you for it to be considered a crime. So if tourists fuck it's fine and if you fuck a local whose family approves of it it's also fine. It hinders LGBTQ relationships too, as long as their family are disapproving of it. It's like community policing which I don't know if it's good or bad.

What do you guys theorize on the actual groundbreaking uses of this? As @Dryas says it seems to me like an evolution of a search engine that can go a level deeper than just formulating queries. I can't think of how this will change the world.

@Ulax I mean sure but then you're wrong. That's like calling yourself a terrorist because you rebel against the system by not paying for public transit. You're underestimating what the people that really believe in what you're talking about act like.

What's the telegram community, can you share it with me in a PM? And to your other two points, those are just ego backlash and delusions. There is no normal, we all struggle. The guys that get laid naturally without having to learn it usually end up in codependent relationships that they have a really hard time getting out of because they don't understand the paradigm of self-development. And even for the ones that don't, I would reframe that as a shame. There is great fun in having to learn this skill and then getting to enjoy sex/relationships as a reward that you know you had to work for and now deserve. Ask any hot girl you talk to if she's had toxic and shitty experiences and they'll most likely have an infinite list. Being a girl is a nightmare in many ways, almost everyone is trying to leach value from you without offering you equivalent value in return. Let's not even mention the more traumatic things that can happen to women that most likely will never happen to you as a man.

I think that's the answer a lot of times. Unless people are willing and in a life position where they can afford to invest a lot of time/mental energy into self-development then it's not worth it. Breaking your paradigms is actually an incredibly painful experience and if you don't have the increased life potential as a reward for it; I don't think it's worth it. IMO leave the old guy to his theories; they're probably bringing him a great deal of comfort. The only truth you're gonna enlighten him to is that there never were any conspiracies and if he had known this sooner he could've empowered himself greatly and lived a much better life but now his mind is too broken to do anything about it.

@something_else For real lol. Every man should take a break from dating once in a while to seriously level up their value proposition(finances, fitness, mental health, etc) so that they can come back into it in a much better position. @Ulax I wouldn't call that MGTOW. They take that to the extreme and make up their own communities and ideology based on the fundamental belief that doing this exact process is not worth it and women are not worth it in general and that you should just focus on yourself and having fun in life without worrying about the whole dating and child-rearing thing; hence the going your own way thing.

It's hard to imagine. You mean if every single guy had more or less the same SMV? Then I guess everyone would just fuck together like one giant polyamorous tribe. You can argue it's impossible though because the whole point of being dimorphic sexual beings is to try out different genetic adaptations, it would make no sense for males to have the same value as it would remove the necessity for males in the first place. At that point might as well have everyone be female and be able to impregnate themselves. So you can conclude sexual competition and "being chad" will never stop.

What do you think about it now? Do you think porn is problematic or beautiful?

@Artsu I think your model is interesting and shows unique thought. I think it needs to be fleshed out a bit more to be useful though. It's a fascinating take, I think spiral dynamics and the Mbti cognitive functions are the two best models currently for understanding your consciousness and personality type so merging them is a great undertaking.

@thisintegrated China's tech sector got nerfed hardcore with the semiconductor trade war that the US is waging on them. They're severely behind in their own capacity to produce them and most of their industries are solely dependent on that to stay relevant. BRICS nations perhaps have potential over a 50-year window but their economies and politics are super unstable for the conceivable future. The US is absolutely looking dominant economically for the next 10-20 years. China's tech sector also relies on corporate espionage, patent theft as well as CCP subsidy to keep an edge. As their economy becomes less centralized and their business leaders are tired of being CCP pawns this is gonna become a much less viable strategy.

Depends on what the setting is, if you're gonna see her over and over its generally better to be a bit less forward with your approach(like if it's at school/work) whereas if you're not close to her/not gonna see her again then might as well shoot your shot full on.

@Lizard Man What a weird take. First of all, plenty of people study masturbation. I would wager that human sexuality is widely studied at all western universities. It's a pretty interesting subject, idk why you make it a personal fetish thing; that's pretty strange. @Tyler Robinson I don't know if its a fully accurate conclusion but a lot of men that demonize sex and masturbation end up demonizing themselves and women as well so they end up being pretty angry and intolerant so not really fun to deal with.

So XRP aims to be a tool for forex basically? Interesting. AFAIK there are a lot of blockchains that are also in this niche, can you talk about why you believe in XRP over the alternatives? How is the SEC lawsuit going for them? I had friends being bullish on XRP last year but haven't heard much since then.

I didn't read all of your comments but if you're questioning your own intelligence then you're on the right track as that's the first step toward true intelligence.

@Tyler Robinson I don't understand this point about protection. You cannot be afraid of a perspective or a viewpoint if you're trying to discuss sensitive issues and important things. It will by nature be uncomfortable and hurtful, from every side. Personal attacks and other such forms of violence should be stopped but if anything falls into just being an opinion I don't think it's something we should aim to moderate.

I think people make the mistake of thinking that the world is somewhere around stage orange because our democracies have a lot of orange and green elements and that we're almost about to hit stage green. Wouldn't it be fair to say that the world collectively is not even stage blue, but more like stage red? I would say our western democracies are basically just coming out of blue which I would categorize as the economy and culture being organized into massive corporations and industries that everyone has to it into. This started with the industrial revolution and continues with our mega tech corps. Collective living. I would consider the rise of the entrepreneurship/freelancer movement as the start of a stage orange economy. If you have the know-how, you can basically self-sustain by offering your product and skills to the free market and not have to rely on a collective organization to make a living. Social media makes this increasingly possible and will continue to do so for the near future. A lot of countries are still at stage blue of massive organized labor and even at stage red where industries have not even formed and they're still doing small-scale family craft mercantilism(Africa, smaller eastern European countries, and fishing SEA villages come to mind). In Africa for example a lot of countries don't have functioning economies and industries and are basically a form of communism where a dictator controls everything and the people have to work in his system or have very small-scale businesses. This is only talking about the economical aspect but culturally most of the world is still organized in stage blue religion culturally. Very few countries let you truly be an individual and live your own morals as long as you don't break the law. This would mean that we're nowhere near the stage green utopia that a lot of are looking for and have to go through a phase of stage orange hyper-individualism that empowers more individuals that will then have the collective power to bring stage green measure globally. What do you guys think about this, do you agree with my analysis?

He admitted that he doesn't know how to really change the system so his solution is to make a lot of money and enjoy himself and to make the people that like him a lot of money too so at least his side has resources. I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be but he doesn't have things figured out and he willingly admits it himself.

@Thought Art What are you talking about lol, Andrew Kirby is a famous Youtuber.

I have a bit of the same feeling and in my opinion, it just means you yearn for control because you're scared. Scared of people hurting you, leaving you, not loving you, etc. If you control everyone and everything then there's nothing to fear and you can get all the love you want. That's the theory but obviously, it doesn't work like that.

@Danioover9000 I agree Zelensky is no angel in this. His pride got in the way and he made it personal. How many young Ukrainian men have died? I think a peace plan or surrender should've been the move from the start.

@aurum Don't you agree that our current economic system has more to do with stage blue values rather than stage orange? I would say that most people that are green are fully rejecting orange and are still stuck in a stage blue economy so their power is limited by like 5%. I would consider the stereotypical protester, activist, SJW, and hippie a stage green person that hasn't actualized their orange. An integrated green person would combine their compassion and drive for unity with orange's pragmatism and create a business, organization, community, or some sort of effective entity to spread their passion. Its also hard to just talk about the global north since we're deeply affected by other countries and cultures. Immigration and the internet will eventually unite everyone so if a big part of the world is red/blue that causes problems for us as well.

@Danioover9000 I haven't really watched that series so I'll have to go back to it. By moral relativism do you mean society getting away from the confines of religious morality and it becoming more relative?

I haven't read this thread nor looked much into it but some people speculate that it was indeed a Russian missile but NATO is covering it up cuz they don't wanna be dragged into another war. Thoughts?

I doubt that western states will support Ukraine much longer. They have not much to gain from it and their economies are starting to not look great. I could see a country like Iran or China making a deal with Russia to subsidize their economy and help them win the foot battle. Not sure how the economy in Ukraine is doing but the longer this goes on the more ruined and diluted their country is. All their women are outside their country starting new lives, if this goes on much longer they'll integrate there and not want to come back and Ukraine will just be a bunch of single men that are looking to go elsewhere to start new lives.

What is your understanding of ancient societies and what fact was disproved? AFAIK before the agricultural revolution, it's very possible that women were more or less in charge. There was no organized warfare nor accumulation of capital so the ways for a single man or group of men to seize power were limited. People lived in family tribes of 25-50 and since all the men collectively hunted and no individual one exponentially more power than another so perhaps women had more leverage when it came to choosing who to mate with. It seems a bit silly to discredit the point without fully investigating it, I feel like it could be true.