LordFall

Nope, you're projecting. I've said multiple times that self-awareness is key in dating and one can choose to be monogamous if they truly desire it. You default to calling wanting options and abundance fear based and don't seem interested in deconstructing it even after I've invited you to do so openly.

Sure, I think your opinion is not accurate though and based on how you talk about dating on the forum you come at it from a scarcity mindset as opposed to a true integrated psyche. I feel this because you jump to conclusions and have a biases in the way you come to your conclusions and don't seem very open minded to other views that don't validate your mindset and paradigm.

I agree with you about 50%. I would be careful with rejecting abundance-based dating strategies and just bastardizing them as "fear of intimacy," though. That's a classic therapeutic oversimplification that gets thrown around whenever a man chooses not to instantly lock himself into monogamy.

What makes you say they are sabotaging their relationship if they are intentionally choosing not to pursue a single girl? I think it can be true that they are an avoidant and not ready for commitment but also that you could be projecting your model of relationships and your desires unto their life. Mike Majlak is a good example of someone who wants to play the field whereas women have wanted to settle down with him whereas his buddy Logan Paul lives under a monogamous framework and wifed up a girl that some including myself think is questionable choice for a lifelong partner. Feel free to share more specific cases and we can discuss.

Sure, you're living in a monogamous framework though. You can date intentionally and see multiple women at once. There are unhealthy aspects to polyamory but also monogamy in that it forces you to commit too early to people you barely know. Similarly to the issue @Olaf ran up against here. It's completely against your optimal dating strategy as a man to cut off your options as soon as a girl likes you or even if you like a girl and it seems good at the start. Sometimes it's emotionally taxing to fuck multiple at once which is why having a social circle with multiple women in it is quite the asset. Not only you are building more option platonically but also they can spot things you don't about the women you introduce them to. @AION Caring about the opinion of other men besides those you respect in your circle or testing the masses for business feedback is pretty useless. If you are poor they will laugh at you. If you are a billionaire they will laugh at you. If you are an Incel they will laugh at you. If you are happily married they will laugh at you. If you have 5 girlfriends they will laugh at you. You can only win by achieving your highest dreams and not letting random dudes affect your mental state.

What do you mean by dating intentionally?

Screening mechanisms are very important for you as a man to give your commitment and energy to a woman. Regardless of if she has 500 body count or 0 or tattoos or goes to church 5x a week. I think honestly the best way is to date casually and to not have exclusivity on the table until 3-6 months into the relationship when you've tested her in many situations. The classic are living together and travelling together. A lease is a bit commitment but you can invite her on a weekend getaway with flights and see if you spending that time with her is a dream experience or a fucking headache as her stress is unmanaged and she can't relax into her femininity and let you create a beautiful experience for the both of you. A good litmus test is what does she add to your life outside of her beauty and sex. Is she actually a valuable and fun person to spend time with or are you in scarcity, lonely or just that she puts up a good front and lovebombs/sexbombs you?

That's exactly my point. Stage green is so untenable that it cannot stand on it's on, it can only take hold in society once it integrates the lower states and evolves into stage yellow. Green is unique because no other stage really throws away the fundamental stages of society like it does. There can be functional albeit toxic societies in stage purple, red, blue and orange but green is so emotional that it believes in anarchy or like I said communism. The reason there are no green corporations is because they don't work. Coops have been tried for a long time, it's not a new thing they are just not competitive entities. To exist in reality you need to competitive against the other entities or individuals that exist in your environment and green decides its a good idea to stop competiting and thus drastically lowers its impact on society. You seem massively triggered for some reason. If you want to debate further, I'd love to. > You definitely didnt do research on that and thats okay. We are not writing research papers here. But i would just generally advise you to keep an open mind instead of being so self assured all the time. Confidence is good, but dont be a fool. Good job being condescending, I've read the whole communist manifesto and attended multiple in person communist events in different cities as I'm interested in their viewpoints and like discussing economic theory. I'm quite confident I can eviscerate you on any point you bring up regarding spiral dynamics or communism so if you'd like we can do this debate streamed live. DM me on here or on Instagram and let's set it up, I have some free time in the evenings this week or on the weekend.

I often get back injuries when working out by myself so I think I have to get a personal trainer to do it consistently and have it stick. When I was younger I hurt my back deadlifting or squatting and ever since then I try to get into working out consistently every couple years and I end up injuring myself and being in bed barely able to move for 2-3 days and then lose momentum and lose my gains and then quit it until the next time I get into a fitness motivation mood and start the loop again.

Nope. You can be perfectly happy and content and then still want to share more of your power and love with the rest of the world and step out of your bubble and keep achieving and doing more to create abundance for others and not be driven by your mental unhappiness. Once more, you are creating a false dichotomy. I wonder why you are drawn to this style of thinking? Do you feel like the pressure of the world is overwhelming and it's easier to focus on inward happiness and ignore anything communal or the collective issues we face as a species globally today?

Owen has a strange chip on his shoulder that seems to not him connect with people authentically without power games so your point on him not resonating with the more grounded environment of daygame is very astute. I think what Leo means by creepy is he's always frame battling people even where there is no need to like he never got over his teenager insecurities and sees the world as a competition 100% of the time. My Velvet Network business partner took a bunch of bootcamps from RSD and he said Owen's bootcamps were the worst because he didn't actually put in effort. It was his assistants doing them and at like 2 AM he would show up talk around the club quickly gather the guys outside, give a speech and go home and he was like why the fuck did I pay $1500 extra for this? You can see he even does it to Sartain here where instead of being warm and friendly with his buddy that he's known for 15 years he's still very cold and calculated and frame battling sartain. I think honestly Owen is a bit of a sociopath and interestingly he stayed far away from psychedelics which perhaps would heal his inner traumas and connect him with the world more. One of the clearest experiences in my life that connected me deeply to people forever since was doing Molly at a club and feeling so much love for these random people that I just considered antagonistic and judging me just an hour ago.

I never said it's the only thing I care about. Most guys will never date or sleep with an 8/10 woman in their entire life let alone a 10 so it's not a useful way to phrase the discussion IMO. The goal of abundance is to have your cake and eat it too. Both date the hottest and coolest women that you've ever met who are are also deeply in love with you and are ready to join their life to yours and make it an amazing adventure. A lot of times attractive women I find don't really have bad personalities they're just really aggressive or dismissive because they have so much options they don't have to be nice to random dudes. Some of them are still quite nice but even the mean ones if you get to know them and they respect you open up like sweet princesses. It's all about your frame and leverage. A good example I have that doesn't have to do with hotness but I was the manager of a cafe in downtown Toronto and I had women working under me and a few guys. One of the employees was really incompetent and stressful to work with because he had no idea what he was doing so a specific girl was kind of mean and bitchy to him but really she was trying to make sure that he didn't fuck up and hurt the cafe and make her job harder. That same girl when was working with me was so sweet relaxed and like a different person because I handled everything so she was able to relax in her femininity. Here is a very simple test to know if you can date 8s and above. Make a list of 20 of the hottest women you've ever seen in your entire life. They can be girls you know but I mean literally the hottest women you've ever sene so instagram models, actresses, bottle girls, onlyfans girls, youtubers ,etc. Now ask yourself are you able to even get in a room with these type of girls consistently let alone date them or fuck them or are you watching from a screen and forced to date girls in your real life that actually give you attention? It's very easy to delude oneself and that's why looksmatching is a concept, humanity has to progress and if dudes refused to reproduce with anyone but their perfect 10s we would be extinct already. We thankfully live in an era where you can obtain infinite leverage if you so desire and date whoever you want as long as you put the effort in so that's why it's an important and pleasurable quest for me.

I find naturals tend to be only good in specific environments and struggle to adapt to others especially those they don't have status in. I've had a few extroverted friends that ran laps over me in places where they knew people and were naturally charismatic and talked a lot and gathered the attention to themselves. In other places where they knew no one that I invited them to the jokes landed very poorly and it turned into a lack of calibration pretty quickly as they understand the fundamental social dynamics and how to adapt to different social environments because they just socialized by instinct. @Zenterus Makes sense its common a lot pickup coaches have an existential crisis in their 40s if they don't have other businesses or communities they're a part of. It's like an unmarried party girl in her 40s the results just start getting worse and it's hard to cope with. Roosh V was one of the funniest ones turning from a degen pickup guy to a christian to try and keep the frame. Ross Jeffries is one of the few exceptions but I wouldn't say it's aged well, pun intended.

The stay in the kitchen meme has been hard countered boys "When he has a social life, he forgot that his place is AT WORK" The nap one is actually a common one I've heard. On my podcast we had a girl who literally said that's her ick in men when they take a nap lmao like girl we are conquering can we please chill for a few moments in the day

Worst outcomes sure because divorce is not tolerated much in Islamic and other religious communities, do you have statistics for reporting being unhappier in modern marriages?

I think that's a false dichotomy. Sure, a lot of gurus just meditate at home or sit in caves and don't do much and I'm sure are blissing out and happy. To me that's a very stagnant version of a human being and a low impact life. It's not very helpful to their community or the rest of humanity. Also in terms of logistic what are we talking about here? How is the rent getting paid and food? You mean having a low stress job that let's you have an easy life and not worry about much so you can chill at home and do nothing? You're seriously gonna pitch to us that this is a great life? There is a very clear insight that starting from a baseline of internal fulfillment and not chasing satisfaction will lead to a more authentic life than just being a hamster in a wheel unconsciousy chaging stuff without understand why. Mimetic desire theory is a phenomena concept to understand here, basically most humans don't know what they want and will just default to chasing what other humans they look up to seem to be chasing. Keeping up with the joneses is one phrasing of it. Beyond that though with introspection you can connect to authentic goals and aspirations that you wish to achieve for yourself and others. I think you should be happy and then build a life purpose from that state. It's all about self-awareness and knowing what you want though, to each person his own destiny is an open path.

Go on Google doc and write your dream dating life on one page. Until you’re able to achieve it don’t settle for random chicks. When you get decent at game all kinds of chicks wanna spend time with you; it’s not about what they want though it’s about what you want. Codependency is the death of thriving. You can also date multiple girls at the same time, nobody said you have to promise to be exclusive to every girl that likes you. Just don’t lie to them and be open about what you want, which is what you write on that google doc. For me it’s to be able to have 5 wives if I desire it so dating just one chick that’s into monogamy is not in my cards and I tell them upfront. You will have a different vision of your perfect dating life but it’s the same process: having boundaries and not being a people pleaser.

I'm a fan of pieces with true horological purity so I avoid anything Swiss or too standard. Currently rocking an ultra-rare, hand-molded Polymer Calibre 1998. The movement features an integrated zero-jewel escapement, zero VPH frequency, and a 100% in-house plastic chassis. The lug-to-lug wears a bit light, but the vintage patina on the dial speaks for itself. Found it at the bottom of a Lucky Charms box I bought while shit faced day drinking, one of the other ones I was looking at talking to an authorized dealer didn't pan out so this one is my main piece at the moment.

Can you share the type of results you've gotten from taking these programs and which ones in particular lead to specific breakthroughs in your life?

They faced scrutiny by the Toronto Star(local biggest news paper in the city) and Vice news for the hidden infield type of content and they spinned it as pressuring women to give their phone number instead of mutually enjoyed game. I need to try more stuff like that, it's actually hilarious and if you have a good life setup it makes you very charming. The let's go watch a movie at best buy one and the broke jew killed me lol

You make some good meta points I think you're correct that specifically stage green is not a viable structure for a group to operate in long term. We are basically in the west already half living in a stage green society. That's what the whole DEI movement is based on. Feelings, inclusivity, reducing competition, etc. It's still split between orange and blue but there have been plenty of pure stage green organizations and groups that form in the form of hippie communes or intentional communities and they always fall apart because fundamentally stage green is anti logic due to its rejection of stage orange and thus throws the baby out with the bathwater with structures that work. Communism is the best example where it's a purely untenable idea and stage red/blue leaders co-opt the philosophical frame work to create states with it like the USSR and Cuba and end up killing the idealists that originally championed those thoughts.

I think the Mystery Method is actually sleeper op when it comes to night game. The way he merges sets leads to situational status and almost instant social proof and in venue social circle building. I went out with him one time to a fashion event, it was cool to see him in action.

You're right I gotta give them props. I just mean for me personally it wouldn't produce the life I want to stay in an office for decades and eventually have a sick insight and 50 years after my death people finally get it. INTPs synthesize concepts much easier than other types so we usually can see the vision before it's possible as making it happen through the friction of the material world is a whole other issue. Glad you resonated man. Content creation makes a lot of sense for an INTP(and anyone really) because it's not really a medium it's a tool that connects the whole human experience together in the most effective medium we've invented so far in history. It's truly fascinating and there are endless nuances you can lean from it and the ceiling is truly infinite.

Sweet man, you're killing it. That's how I first started getting result, doing it with other guys that were ahead of me and I thought their results were insane and they were so much cooler than me and I learned from osmosis and ended up throwing some mind blowing events with some of them and creating some of the best memories of my entire life thus far. Excited for your journey, I think you're gonna enjoy it a lot! Remember always wear protection. Or don't, the global demographics are looking weak we need to pump those numbers up!

100% bro. I know you said you don't like the idea of social circle game but I'll give you an easy way to use your recent free tour experience to start to scale and leverage your life. Just make an instagram group chat with all the guys that you thought were cool from that event and start gaming with them regularly. That's your own inner circle now. Then organize an event together that you can each use to pitch to girls you cold approach. You're in Amsterdam right can you a group picnic by the canal with a big speaker and make a flyer for it in 2 mins on Gemini and in 2 weeks you guys host it on Sunday and 5 guys bring 5 girls each now you not only will probably get laid from that and possibly in a threesome since the ratio is so in your favor, you have become a local community leader and started an events brand for free.