LordFall

No, you clearly have a mental block and are refusing to internalize the point. I said already that what other people value is their right as a free willed being. Value is mainly an economic term and is quantifiable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics) Your mom values you (hopefully) whether or not you offer any value to the world. The marketplace rewards you with money if you solve problems for customers. The dating market rewards you with hookups and quality partners wanting to be in your life if you are a valuable human being to be around. You also have not made a clear point as to what you value that the marketplace doesn't recognize nor made a convincing argument as to why others should also value that thing. We call this marketing. You might very well be right but right now you are arguing based on vague generalizations that I can only suppose come from your own feelings of being invalidated by the marketplace. As I've suggested, I think it'll be a worthwhile experience for you to drop the ego and simply just become skilled in a field that others generally value. What are you good at and what do you enjoy doing? I create communities and host creative events because it combines my own introverted tendencies and systemizing abilities with the real needs of the performance arts community. Creating cool events is mostly an introverted endeavor, you have to sit down and figure out what groups of people enjoy and the logistics around planning an event around it. Me figuring that out required me spending many years as a regular pickup artist just trying to brute force cold approach, then getting involved in the nightlife industry and then combining my own unique strengths with the needs of the marketplace to create a unique product that people value.

I've already addressed your point but you seem to not like the answer. These concepts are universal scoreboards because they are culminations of other concepts. If someone optimizes their life for privacy, stability and peace and then demands global recognition for their life that's a bit silly. I hope that they enjoy their life but they are indeed irrelevant to the rest of us by definition. The reason I keep coming back to stage green is it tends to build a worldview to isolate itself emotionally from the world. "It's not that I'm incompetent, it's that the world doesn't value the type of competence that I bring!" That is true in some contexts but more often than not it's more that the person refuses to put time and effort towards building competence in the fields that actually solve problems for others. I have read the communist manifesto and attended to a handful of communist gatherings. A lot of the people there are college aged, smart and well educated in economic theory. What is the value they provide to the world? 0 I've been out drinking with a group of communists since as an intellectual I enjoy their depth of knowledge but they have massive mental blocks and cognitive bias. Their conversations inevitably come to we need to build influence in the world, fuck my boss is being so annoying what a bourgeois dickhead and ends up in talking about the general revolution and one day we will over throw the system! When I asked them have you ever tried to start a business? They said "of course not I'm not corrupt!" Then I said imagine needs help working out and they have extra money to pay you to be their personal trainer or someone needs you to mow their lawn and they're happy you did it and compensated you for it; where is the exploitation? This is what I call the victim mindset: living as the effect rather than the cause in the world. It’s fine to point out flaws in the system, but when you refuse to build practical solutions, you invalidate your own critique. That is when someone slides into mediocrity, resentment, and bad-faith trolling—carrying a chip on their shoulder simply to rationalize their own lack of real-world agency. Another example is the MGTOW community that was popular last decade, men not getting the success they want with women so they created a whole movement about MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY that revolved more about complaining about women having too high standards. The community is now banned but on the red pill subreddit we used to clown these guys because they tried to gain status from weakness instead of building competence. That doesn't really hold against the pressures of society and nature itself. There is a big sentence in dating commentary that isn't fully accurate but illustrates the point on men and sour grapes when it comes to dating: women wait at the finish line and fuck the winners. It's not always true but a lot of men default to shaming women and controlling their sexual behaviours instead of just focusing on the obvious goal of figuring out what arenas of life are worth winning in and becoming a winner yourself.

I don't live in Toronto anymore but I met an actualizer there a few years ago. I'll dm you his Instagram. Feel free to post yours too so people can follow you. Like 6 people on this forum have followed me and I've met up with 2 of them, we're a cool bunch.

Yes I figured but now you need your 2nd rapper name. TheHouseSoul AKA BigSolipcism in the HOUSE TONIGHT Musicians and influencers are like old school nobles, we can pick many names and be known in different ways across different spheres. My dad sometimes tries to not call me LordFall but I tell him don't you know who I am on the internet!

That's sweet. Your girl speaks english or you know mandarin? I'm excited to also have a romance in a foreign land, sounds like a very enriching and entertaining adventure. Any surprises you've had so far in terms of dating in China? Also have you encountered many ABGs? That's my weakness when it comes to asian women especially the ones that go blonde.

Thank you; this is much higher-quality discourse and far easier to engage with if we're having a substantive debate rather than casual chit-chat. I don't operate like that as a baseline. I respond to issues people seem to raise. If someone is perfectly satisfied with their life then I don't have much to talk to them about, they should live their life and enjoy it. This thread is a perfect example. As an INTP I like to go deeper to the root of things. At first glance someone might just think that @Monster Energy made a random and funny joke about women liking gay guys. To me I default to taking into account his other posts and the psychology of men in general towards a sour grapes relationship to women they can't get. It can sometimes be a bad assumption but then the poster can rectify it and the conversation goes on. I assumed that Monster was genuinely wondering why women are more comfortable around gay men so I answered from that angle and I also answered the shadow subconscious angle that gay men are not threatening and some straight men just want pussy without offering much in return as well as struggling with boundaries so it makes sense that in some cases women enjoy having gay BFFs instead of straight male friends. Sure, I think that's a noble goal and a great way to phrase it. Although I think you will agree that Stage Green/spiritual people tend to want to remove the scoreboard entirely and I think that leads to throwing out the baby with the bathwater and makes society worse as a result. Quantification has a lot of merit. You talked about measuring value. This is the cost of optimizing for a path that doesn't account for universal value i.e. money, status, contribution. The first two are obvious to attack although they have a lot of merit and I can stand up for them if that's of interest to someone but notice that contribution also bakes in having power and scale in your efforts, otherwise you're not contributing much. I'm not the judge of humanity my guy, I'm just a man that's lived and tried various different business and dating strategies in his 20s. They haven't all produced what I've wanted but I've gained a massive shit ton of reference experience in different domains and I think probably more than 99% of men my age. I don't claim to know everything but you accused me of trying to project expertise across different domains in which I lack expertise which is funny because I specifically try to not do that. My points are quite nuanced though so you have to be careful reading them or people fall into stereotyping my arguments and turning passive-aggressive, which only makes debunking them more satisfying. For example in this AI and crypto thread I specifically noted that although my prediction on the price of Bitcoin was proven correct, my overall financial strategy has changed and I don't think that my accurate prediction on that single price action can be repeated so I offered a superior framework. To get back to specifics, generally on this section of this forum we discuss dating in different ways. Some people like to make it cultural commentary or venting and I personally enjoy talking more about dating strategy. I think I'm pretty unmatched in that area so I tend to speak with a lot of confidence since I've both taken coaching from what I think are some of the best dating coaches in the world, worked with some of them, was part of a dating company myself, started my own dating photography freelance studio and helped men from THEIR perspective get results in their own dating life. Not my goals but my strategies put to work with their own goals and so far my track record of doing that is pretty good.

Let's get it bro! Film some clips out of it and share them with us so the forum becomes more of a real place instead of anonymous users bickering. I'm looking forward to witnessing your success. If this first one doesn't go that well just do 20 and by the 21st you'll be beasting! I think you need a wild rapper name if not even officially at least for the forum. I don't think we've had a rapper before. Here are a few candidates: Lil Godhead, MC Absolute, Big Solipsism, A$AP Epistemology and of course MastaOf TheUniverse

Harry Potter is truly excellent in terms of making a setting you'd want to live in. I think anyone that's matched it has wanted to go to Hogwarts or even better the university version. I dislike how they base so many shows on kids, anime is guilty of it like 20% of shows are based on high school why can't we all be adults here? More interesting plot lines can be had. Lord of the rings I haven't watched in years but it's definitely more epic and has cooler battles. The battle with Voldemort and Harry where the evil dude has a green line coming from his stick and the hero has a red one is pretty lame come on. I will rewatch the Lord of the Rings in its entirety as I'm going through most fantasy to find inspo for my own project Legend of the Abyss. I'd be curious what everyone's favorite part about each IP is. Mine for Harry Potter is clearly Hogwarts. Masterful world building and creating an enticing setting out of thin air. Lord of the Rings for the epic quest and also honorary mention for elves. Tolkien popularized that trope out of thin air and made them stick in media.

@Emerald Appreciate your grounding and perspective on how arguments actually function versus performative noise. @Natasha Tori Maru The practical distinction here is context. I’m not proposing a universal metaphysical truth that works for anyone under any circumstances; I’m outlining the mechanics of building leverage in your life and in your dating life in this context. @Joshe I think this says more about your psychology than mine. I don't generally tend to put people down for their desired lifestyles, I just call out the logical inconsistencies in the arguments they're making. If someone says "Kyle what I really want is to spend the next 20 years in the forest and date no one. I've had relationships before and I've built a career and business and now i'm satisfied and want to explore a new stage of my life in the forest. If I change my mind I have other options I can take, I'm in no danger and I'm excited about my new quest!" I would simply say that's so interesting, have fun and report back on how it went. If someone says "Building a high quality dating life is impossible, society is stacked against you so I will be single and alone for the next 20 years!" Then I will break down their points because it that example their thoughts seem based more on limiting beliefs and lack of strategy as opposed to the truth of our civilization. I tend to value impact and scale because that's how you start living in a life in a way that gives you real agency in the world as opposed to being stuck in the already established system. If someone is afraid of that mindset then I will push back on it but I don't recall ever ridiculing someone for having modest ambitions. I do think the average person on this forum is stage green and falls into obvious pitfalls of that stage being that they reject the competence and materialistic aspect of stage orange. They also have the easy cognitive bias of defaulting to lazy stereotypes which makes it easy for me to deconstruct their points. I consider myself pretty solidly stage yellow and understand the world both from their perspective and my own but also bake into my arguments the systems that regulate our society and I don't fall prey to using my feelings first in arguments which would leave me inherently biased. @yetineti My reluctance to go deeper into your points was due to your bad faith nature entering the post. I don't think there is much value in engaging antagonistic people as it will turn to mud slinging which I enjoy if theres a gentlemanly duel nature to it but when it becomes purely about evasion and and ego battles then I lose interest. Since you have taken accountability already we can move past that and engage in a more good-faith discussion. To take accountability as well, I did grey rock method you in the previous 'where have you had sex thread' so I do understand you feeling some resentment towards me in entering this one. I addressed your points generally and broke down my thoughts on how my dating strategy deals with the general ideals that you've presented. When you made a list of 10+ of them I addressed the one that was most flagrant to me. I generalized your points as being based in victim mindset and identifying with mediocrity because they weren't very precise and tended to take a moral grandstanding approach. Mediocrity just means being average and identifying with average concerns. I try to bake in that I will work extra hard to overcome the limitations of the average man so I can build an extraordinary life for myself. "• Freedom: Travel without financial independence becomes slavery and “blue balling” yourself rather than an experience worth having on its own terms" I don't know what you want me to say, if you enjoy it then have fun. I have travelled enough to experience the world on a shallow level and to really dig deeper I think I will have to host events in other countries and get involved directly in joint ventures with people there or just do it in a luxury travel style to enjoy the best of what it has to offer. "• Equality: You describe status as “winner takes all,” with the top man getting nearly everything while everyone else becomes irrelevant or fights for scraps." That's not really my point. I described building a community and helping people problem solve their issues in life and posting it on social media so you scale. Thankfully the average person seems quite lazy or too wrapped up with their psyche to be able to do that so they end up irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as a result. That's what I mean by my "insults" are definitions. If you are only relevant to the people close to you(Dunbar's number of 150 connections in a base tribe comes to mind) then you are irrelevant to other humans in the world. If you are hosting events or post content across your country and the world as a whole then you gain more relevancy. You can be relevant in a good way as in you help solve problems for humans globally or you can be infamous like I'm sure there are celebrities you dislike that you've never met. There are just the ones that jump out to me but if you want to make a more cohesive point against what I say then feel free. Streams of thoughts are hard to engage with as they require so much energy to address. Make it more like a thesis format and start with a sentence summarizing your strongest point. @Inliytened1 This is gonna sound harsh but I do mean it well, have you ever tried doing therapy? It seems that you go on these bizarre attack sprees that I can only imagine stem from your need to affirm status online or unloading negative emotions from events in your daily life. I have done therapy and it's helped me integrate my psyche and recognize when I was being passive-aggressive or blew up at people in an irrational way. I think it will also help you understand why I believe in polyamory so strongly. I have addressed most of my shadows and my reactive emotional tendencies so I can generally engage with people in a more grounded approach without my subconscious flipping out or acting in counterproductive ways. It doesn't make my model cold or unemotional, on the contrary it lets me build very deeply emotional relationships built on a secure attachment style that benefit all parties without being stuck in an anxious or avoidant pattern.

There's not much to expose me on. I've been consistently one of the most transparent and open members on this forum. I leave my Instagram tied to my real life identity in my signature. I like to push people towards the craziest goals imaginable as it's how I like to live my life and I find dreaming and visualization more powerful than coping in terms of dealing with the hard sides of life. I think it triggers a lot of users' limiting beliefs and they project them onto me instead of sitting with what I say and introspecting on it. I'm an ex competitive gamer so I don't mind aggressive rhetoric, I see it as intellectual sparring. @yetineti highlighting limitations is not an insult. Every negative term I've said in regards to your behaviour I found to be an accurate description. It's up to you if you want to increase the quality of your engagement or seep in it.

How did you manage to grow older without developing much wisdom? You sound like the weird uncle at family gatherings that people sort of like but also pity lol Also do you have dementia? We've talked about this before. I've seen you completely forget conversations you've had with others as well. My body count is around 50, I don't find it worthwhile to increase it until I have the resources necessary to build the polycule I want to date under over the next few years.

What points? I keep answering that your points are bad and you seem to not like that so retreated to: 'I don't need my thoughts and ideas to produce value because I value contemplation!' I think you should spend the next few months of your life figuring out what you value and then building something tangible in the real world that relates to it. Right now your opinions seem to be mostly based on coping mechanisms.

He's been drinking again I think. Adding no value and blabbering more nonsense. @yetineti lived experience is not ego 🙄

Excuse me? What exactly makes you an authority in dating? It sounds like you're jumping on the projection boat as well. I've worked with dating coaches, read books on dating, been a dating photographer for years, helped guys lose their virginities/find girlfriends and I hosted a dating podcast for months and met dozens of women through it that shared their frustrations with modern men and dating as a whole.

See how quick the victim mindset bakes in bitterness and leads straight to projection as it can't cope with its own lack of success? If your life is bleak and self-centered, don't project that onto me. I run communities with hundreds of people in it and I'm hosting a music event across the country in Calgary next week to support up and coming musicians. We raised some funds a few weeks ago for one of our members that was facing living in their car after getting evicted. This is precisely the problem with stage green. It's very short sighted and gets lost in expressing its frustration of the world instead of understanding the systems of reality to offer value to oneself and others.

Being optimized and having no tradeoffs are not the same thing. All we can do in life is figure out our goals and the best path to take us there. I do commend you for putting your picture on your profile, I think that anonymity produces only low value conversations or leads to posturing and making stuff up to not lose face. We've been talking about polyamory for weeks. If you haven't read my previous posts on them you're welcome to use the search feature or read through the polyamory subreddit to familiarize yourself with this relationship format. https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/ There are also plenty of good videos on Youtube about it if you're interested in trying it out for yourself. For me I've seen multiple girls at once in my pickup days in Toronto, I had multiple FWBs and other girls I was hooking up with. I found it very cool to experience different facets of each woman. I've also worked with models in my businesses and I found it a very fun way to mutually enrich both of our lives so it's a business format I'll be doubling down on over the next few years. @Inliytened1 With his 2 halves he can now sit down and introspect twice as hard to come up with better points. He spends so much time contemplating that it really shouldn't be too much to ask for.

I've already addressed your points. I think they are overly simplistic and not likely to produce high-quality results due to being rooted in a victim mindset instead of agency and abundance. I encourage you to stop being so reactive in your replies as you don't write thoughts that are insightful and you resort to lazy generalizations. I don't know why you felt the need to write 4 posts back to back instead of sitting down and coming up with a well-thought-out reply. That's what I meant by saying you lack cohesion in my comment on a previous page. I'm polyamorous so I seek to build a relationship with 3-4 women and intertwine them into my businesses so we can travel the world, work on projects that are meaningful and settle down to raise kids once that makes sense for us.

Arguing with stage green people is very easy as they don't have solutions to the problems they raise. They just emote frustrations and hope it shields them from the downsides of society. When it doesn't, they turn bitter and passive-aggressive. I use words very definitionally, you seem to be trying to play a weird gotcha game and seeking some sort of validation? Mediocrity just means average and making a bullet point list arguing against building a dating strategy based on excellence by definition is disliking competence. You seem to have trouble sticking to points and resort to weaselling out of them when called to back up your own position. Very strange way to have a debate if that's what you're trying to have with me.

Status is another word for fame and respect. Achieving those in a field that matters to you is important. Running away from that fact is a bit silly. Status-seeking when it becomes a replacement for healthy self-esteem and pushes you down paths that lack integrity is when it becomes a problem. Most people don't bring much value to others so they aren't rewarded with status. If you help people solve the problems that stop their life from being great they tend to praise you and tell others about how you've helped them. This is the foundation of status.

@yetineti Yes it's a model built to thrive within the frameworks of society. Your objections mostly sound like a romanticization of mediocrity disguised as Zen philosophy. If you don't like being competent and the rewards it brings then don't pursue this path. I didn't say everyone should follow it, I said it's the best one I've found and the results so far in my life have exceeded my expectations. There are 4 billion women on earth. You should build a life with the ones that align with it. How is this a hard concept to understand? You're free to date an Amish girl if you want or an unambitious woman. They don't fit the vision I have for my life but perhaps they fit yours. I tend to vibe better with creatives, models, influencers or business-minded women as we have similar life goals.

It revolves around the basic idea of leveraging your life so you end up with exponentially more results than what you put in. The main tools to do that are social circle game and social media. The main idea is based on hosting events around your interests and goals so you can start to meet other like-minded people. You then film those events to scale your brand and reach other people in your country or across the globe that are into the same things you're into. You then build a business that is either related to this or is at least online so you can detach yourself from the corporate slavery that most humans are forced into. You now have status in a niche that you're interested in and have income that allows you to free your time and travel the world. I'm not fully at this point yet since my income was previously tied to one main client that I no longer work with but I'm now rebuilding my business to be more resilient to this so that I can spend the next few years of my life travelling the world and actualizing this plan. So far it's been quite fun and shows a lot of promise which is why I recommend this hybrid model of life purpose and dating strategy to most people I encounter.

@yetineti You were being cowardly, you slipped in a cheap insult and when challenged on it you hid behind semantics. I never misrepresented you nor even insulted you, I described your actions plainly. This is the first time you've voiced any cohesive argument against the dating strategy I've presented on this forum section. It's still not precise and reads to me like vague limiting beliefs more than any actual values you actually champion. My whole dating strategy is based on credibility and integrity. The whole point is to build a social circle and brand based on offering value to others and thus building credibility and status. Consistently being able to solve people's problems and keeping your word as a man is the basis of integrity. Humility is usually described as knowing your limits and not inflating your competence, making your efforts public through your brand will help you do so. Stability is very important. To me that's a byproduct of competence. If you are not a man with a well carved out skillset you will be at the mercy of your environment and your stability will be short lived. Peace will come as a result of this competence as well as your relationship to the universe as a whole, what we call spirituality. Intimacy is obviously a key part of relationships. I think a lot of modern relationships are built on a veneer of false intimacy as the people involved in them have so many unresolved shadows in their psyche that it's hard to relate with one another. They end up lying and manipulating each other as a means of survival. A breakdown of communication is usually one of the leading signs of a breakup. Privacy is something that I do not particularly value. I think if you aim to have an impact on the world it's important to put yourself out there and champion your values and be a leader in a public community. Similar to what Leo is doing with Actualized.org and what many other men and women are doing globally to impact humanity for the better. Being a powerful and impactful man is the cornerstone of a good life and a good dating strategy in this context. @gengar Feel free to elaborate on your ailments and we can help you build a dating strategy that compensates for that. Leverage is possible to obtain no matter your circumstances. If you are quadriplegic then of course there will be hard limits towards what you can do in the short term but even then long term I think biotech and medicine are looking pretty good in the decades to come. If you have the use of your arms and legs then I think you're well on your way to being able to accomplish big things for yourself and others and building a top tier dating life.

What is this semantic word game? Not only do you not have a point, you seem barely able to have a coherent conversation with other adults. This is a good lesson for people on adding value to environments instead of being a passive-aggressive troll.

You called me insecure and when asked to elaborate on it, you were worried that I'll argue with you and you wonder why I call you passive-aggressive and guilty of projection?

Dropping passive-aggressive insults and then playing the misunderstood victim when confronted is textbook projection and cowardly as well.