LordFall

Always funny how the ego backlash happens directly when you call it out directly lol. What happened to the beautiful poetic language? Love you my friend but I am the one that is tired of tolerating BS posts. Ground what you're saying in truth or I will eviscerate it with beautiful logic. To me that is poetry.

That's how you experience it on a deep level or just your immediate gut reaction? I found it incredibly healing and refreshing to come across both the red pill and female dating strategies subreddits. I always felt like mainstream advice was shallow and blind optimism and my relationships with other humans didn't represent that. Only by breaking down all the manipulations of the other sex in that regard or by reading books like 48 laws of power and understanding the concepts of the jungian shadow do I now feel at peace with other human beings and understanding they types of manipulative and toxic strategies they use to get their wants and needs met. I even see it in myself and my group of friends where sometimes we act in ways that on a surface level makes no sense but now through my deep understanding of human psychology I can just immediately diagnose it as oh this person is anxious and doesn't know how to gain control of their life and is lashing out in X way, no big deal. Same with understanding trauma where sometimes people flip the fuck out in seemingly insane ways and you can just immediately spot it oh they have been carrying a lot of tension for a while and they feel unseen/unheard and now use this medium to unleash all this pent up energy. Whereas people literally labelled it as demonic possession before. I just read about this in Robert Greene's new book the Laws of human nature where this widespread demonic possession case in a small town in 1634 lead to a priest getting burned at the stake because the nuns were dreaming about him and it was ruled that he was using black magic to manipulate the church and it was just sexual repression and i guess he was good looking and they wanted to fuck lol. True story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudun_possessions I have a friend who refuses to read Robert Greene's books because they are too toxic(he was raised christian) and he has been trying to find a girlfriend for the past year and he literally has told about 12 women in the past year that he loves them and he wants them to be his wife and he is mind boggled and in a lot of pain because he continuously gets rejected and ghosted by women. He is integrating the abundance mindset and slowly getting rid of his conditioning but its ingrained into him, we had an hour call about it yesterday.

I mean feel free to be more precise and elaborate on why previous relationships you've had didn't work out and we can diagnose it. To me it helps to be very logical and not emotional when it comes to analysis otherwise you get bogged down in stuff that's not objective. What does falling out of fantasy/love mean? What was the fantasy? That you could make it work no matter what? Why do people fall out of love? Usually its because people grow apart in quite predictable ways like one wants to grind on their career and never retire ala Warren Buffet and one wants to chill out relax and go to the beach and read books. You can identify such patterns with MBTI and overall desired life purpose and desired lifestyle. My relationships that didn't work I couldn't offer the women the stability and life that they wanted plain and simple. We could chill, fuck and do random dates for a while until it eventually came to a head and we went our own ways. The longest relationship I had for 1 year my dad left the province and left me with the house so I could host parties and fuck girls and I ended up dating this girl that was the ex of my weed dealer and we bonded really deeply and had deep talks into the night and she was one of the smartest girls and coolest I've met to this day. Doesn't change fundamental transactional dynamics lol I got a cute girlfriend to fuck when I didn't have much abundance at the time so I ignored her toxic traits for far longer then I should have and she got a free place to crash as her home life wasn't great and she was escaping her problems with drugs and a dude that would validate her and give her emotional support. We fell out of the fantasy. It was awesome love while it lasted though. We used to write each other back and forth long journals of our love and our desire to be with each other and she would draw me these cute images. I didn't delete any of it though I keep it in an archive and look at it once in a while remising about my one deep love I've had in this life so far. That girl helped me through the most traumatic event of my entire life and stuck with me through it. Without her as a grounding force I might not be here that was some bad shit. I'm over it now but bro let me tell you I was fucking WRECKED when that relationship ended. Lasted from mid 2018 to may 2019 when we broke up and then we had a back and forth still hooking up and hanging out at times until I physically had to move cuz I couldn't resist her and thats how I ended up in Toronto in early 2020. Fuck I blocked her everywhere but left some niche obscure ways to contact me like whatsapp that I never use and she would hit me up after a few weeks and we'd hang out for a few days and then block each other again. Good times, bad times. Don't miss it but it was great at times. What I've experienced since then has been pretty awesome and I hope to keep building upon it and achieve a dating life that's beyond my wildest dreams as I've shared in other posts. We had a goal of starting a couples channel, got 1 video in but hey. That's why content is important. Priceless memories.

Sounds like you're spiritually bypassing, doing some solipsistic nihilism and overall are a bit confused. If what you are saying is real then why do you have almost 3000 posts on the forum and engaging with others? Stop trying to be deep when you just don't understand the topic at hand and want something to say lol

I agree, sexual dimorphism is great. For a lion to be a lion there must be lionesses And humans are even more of an apex than Lions. Life is good.

Where did you get that from? Pretty confident that lean pork is not inherently more harmful than other red meats like beef or lamb. From a nutritional and medical standpoint, pork is just a red meat. Like beef, the health impact comes down to processing (bacon/sausage with high sodium and nitrates vs. fresh pork loin) and fat content. I couldn't find any medical evidence that pork specifically damages the "pancreas or adrenal glands. Sure that's a fair statistic to consider. I think a of it has to do with conservative and religious people are shamed from divorces even if the relationship is toxic and people with higher partner counts are more confident in their ability to find another partner to build a relationship but there is also a case of hedonism and hoping ship when little issues occur. It's worth bringing up and understanding though.

1/20 of adults in the United States are currently engaged in some form of consensual non-monogamy. I just named famous examples that you can lookup to know that they died satisfied with their choice. I also showed you a study showing that the rate of success of monogamous relationships and polyamorous ones are the same. That's such a confusing sentence to me. If you like having sex with women why would you not want to do it with multiple at once? And multiple at the same time? I can understand not wanting to juggle the complexity of dating multiple of them but sex is pretty straight forward. Are you low libido?

@Leo Gura What's your favorite video that you've ever made? I'm curious which part of your body of work you enjoy most.

Ultimatums can be toxic if used in that way but that's literally the foundation every single relationship is based on. Why on earth would people stay in relationships if they don't get their desires and needs met? That's codependency.

Not implicitly but fundamentally yes they are. You are choosing to invest your time with someone and their actions throughout the relationship will dictate if you will stay in it or not. It shouldn't be a continuous frame battle and a healthy relationship has baked in alignment with personality, communication and goals but it remains a transactional arrangement at the end of the day. You put in yourself and they put themselves and when problems occur you try to fix them and if there are irreconcilable disagreements you cancel the transaction and each party goes their own way. It's great to romanticize it and I love love but that's what it is. You are right that you can use the walking away in toxic ways and ideally you should talk about it and understand the other's position and try to accommodate it if you want to. At the end of the day it's still the same mechanism though the more desperate and needy you are the more you will compromise on your wants and needs for fear of losing the other and the more in abundance you are the more you will be willing to walk away and find other partner that are more aligned with you.

1) You accused me of replying quickly and thus not deeply checking what I say or what AI responds to me. I think that's a false assumption and if you can point out how that lead to me saying something false then feel free. 2) I don't think I'm falling pray to recency bias. Elaborate. 3) I take guardrail and AI bias into account. I ask questions in a way that gives me info I can cross reference if it sounds off. I do it all the time since it does hallucinate at times.

Feel free to point out if I fell into a trap and said something false. I have studied polyamory and it's part of my ideal lifestyle so I find it disappointing when people attack it with lazy points like @Jirh did. I reply quickly because I get intellectually stimulated by engaging conversations and put a lot of thought into my arguments. I don't think I've made any lazy points on my whole time on this forum, it's against my identity and life philosophy. I could totally be bias and welcome being proved wrong.

You seem to have a picture of pickup in your head that's more like a caricature and stereotype of it than what it really is about. You're looking at it in a very shallow way. Abundance is deeply rooted in human psychology. Walking away from a negotiation works against all kinds of humans insecure or not because it's not fundamentally a technique. It's an honest signal which is biology not pop culture PUA stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory An honest signal is a behaviour that is hard to fake because it requires. characteristics that are hard to acquire i.e. abundance in this context. Abundance is not a technique. If you 20 apples and someone threatens to steal your apple and you say ok bro that's not a technique that's you having a lot of apples so you don't care if you lose one. It's a reality you first experience as a mindset/paradigm and then actualize in real life.

lol Natasha is gonna roast me for this one I wanted to use Gemini to my own meme where its a women screaming at a dude to do the dishes and he says yes honey but the sink is already empty but I ran out of tokens

Sure I guess the definition of manipulation is pretty nebulous. How far would you take this though? Being a nice person and in a good mood is more likely to get people to agree with you and comply. Is that manipulation? I think manipulation has to include the intent to deceive. If you want something and ask for it in a weird way unnecessarily that's more like bad social skills. I think women in particular can make you feel great about spending time, energy and money on them or they can like nag you or be ungrateful and ruin the whole thing; which is why I linked it to femininity. A similar concept can be used to describe two men interaction so I guess charisma and charm can also be used in this context.

Who's grasping at assumptions now? I promise you : no AI involved.

Sorry I just don't agree with this characterization of femininity as machiavellian and manipulative. I know really feminine women that get men to do all kinds of things for them just by being nice and pleasant. I don't really see it as manipulative, that's just basic social skills. Especially sugar dating is the least manipulative type of relationship there is, it's literally both parties laying out their cards on the table and asking for what they want. A woman that wants a provider male but isn't able to ask for it with tact is not enviable in my books but feel free to indulge in that demographic.

Good post. Women usually don't respect you if they think you can't get other women and much worse if YOU think that then you will bow down out of subconscious knowledge that you are about to lose access to pussy if you argue with her too much. That's where the whipped husband meme comes from.

Why do egotism and narcissism get conflated with feminism? Leo has a book on feminism on his book list, have you read it?

Sure I think mastering stage orange is a great way to build a foundation for a solid life and the relationships that come with it. You keep saying that anyone that doesn't view the world the way you do is wrong. That sounds like a bias and ego deflection to me. It's your life man if you're happy with the way you're operating then more power to you. I'm just pointing out the blindspots that seem objective to me. When you start saying that women that want a man that has his shit together is stuck in ego then I think you've gone off the deep end. My reason for thinking that you are operating from shadow and not healthy integration of stage orange and green is you keep shaming other perspectives that aren't aligned with yours instead of understanding where they're coming from.

Well anger is a strong word. If you wanna let limiting beliefs run your life I promise you that I will not lose sleep over it. Feminism is not a necessary evil, it's a great movement of human progress. Not that long ago I would've had to raise an army to be allowed to date multiple women and now I can just dm them on Instagram invite them out and do it. It's a win for both men and women. Dude I named one Professor Marston. If you insist I do intellectual labor on your behalf here are a few more Franklin D. Roosevelt & Eleanor Roosevelt - Literal US president Simone de Beauvoir & Jean-Paul Sartre - Famous Philosopher H.G. Wells & Jane Eldridge - Famous Author Feel to look them up and the details of their polyamorous relationship. Also you brought up conflict multiple times, first of all that's in any relationship but also conflict resolution skills are talked about way more often in polyamorous circles than monogamous ones. Conflict can just as easily bond people closer together. Friction is a better word for it as it is indeed counter-culture but plenty of things that are valuable and realistic are. The fact that there are no recorded differences in marital satisfaction on average and on average couples polyamorous or not do not really self-develop means that if you do take self-development seriously your chances of being a massive outlier in terms of marital satisfaction are pretty high. I understand your concern and I understand your desire to avoid AI slop. To clarify: I don't copy paste what it says, when somebody says something that sounds crazy to me I ask it if its true or nonsense and do the same with my own points that I bring up. We're not really talking about insights here we're sharing goals and thoughts and when people make wild statements I feel like it enhances the quality of discussion to fact check stuff. I'm not an expert on anthropology or statistics on relationship quality so it's hard for me to argue based on my own knowledge so that's why I use my real life experience and anecdotes to back it up. When he says something wild like these things only work in 1 billion relationships it feels quite wrong to me but until I asked Gemini to give me statistics on relationship satisfaction; it's hard to debunk. I admit being wrong all the time but then the next step is finding a source of truth and if it's not in my own lived experience it's somewhere out there on the internet usually and that's why I look things up just like Googling instead of using an encyclopedia. My goal is to have conversations that help enhance my understanding and that of others so we can build our lives based on truth and not bias/dogma. I don't particularly care to always be correct and to win internet points. There aren't even any points on this website

Sure if it doesn't appeal to you then you are the master of your own destiny there isn't much I can say. That's not what you're saying though you keep calling it too difficult and unrealistic. I don't think that's the case. Why do you have such limiting beliefs? It really angers me to see it in others it's literally the elephant and the rope story and you've convinced yourself that good things in life are too hard to achieve. Why tf would feminism make polyamory harder? Polyamory is based on deep communication skills, mutual trust and deep respect and knowledge of your partner. The more feminist you are as a man the easier it will be to pull off. I literally admitted that I wouldn't necessarily mind my girl fucking other men under a situation that still leaves me feeling safe in my life and relationship overall. That requires a lot of emotional mastery but isn't impossible. I had this talk with @integral the other day and he was also doubtful but like there are books on this. The only reason I'm arguing with you is you didn't phrase it like it's not for you but you put a blank label of it's too difficult to achieve and it's not worth trying. Sounds to me like a homeless guy telling people getting a job is not worth it fuck you have to wake up and be someone's SLAVE, come with me to the park and have a beer and chill out why are you trying so far. Most FWBs I've had that I tried pitching a threesome to were super down. That's why it's a limiting belief, you read online that feminists make dating hell for men and you believe it but it's not true it's literally a shit test.

Bro sounds like your boy is gaslighting and shaming actual rational needs. Framing real-world value, security, and competence as purely "superficial / survival-oriented ego" is a classic Stage Green spiritual bypass. Depth and grounded real-world capability are not mutually exclusive—the highest-tier men have both. A woman wanting a man who has his career, finances, emotional health, and lifestyle sorted isn't "living in her ego"; she's displaying basic biological intelligence. I think it's great to want to connect emotionally rather than only through status games but that's also a false dichotomy. It's not because women value competence and stability in a man that they're gonna dump you to go fuck any man with $10K more in his bank account than you. Sounds to me like you're doubling down on an influencer that invalidates your shortcoming and validates your strengths. That's a road to delusion and frustration my friend.

I'm sorry bro as an INTP there is nothing I hate more than inaccurate confidently wrong blanket statements so I have to counter irrational points. I will prove you right I do use AI for a lot of stuff that I'm not sure on and to make sure what I say makes sense and is not easily disproved. Your 1 in a billion number has no bearing on our reality in any way whatsoever. There are documented studies on this and they found exactly 0 difference between average relationship satisfaction between monogamous and polyamorous couples. It's fine to have an opinion and a bias but why leave it be if it's not accurate. That's why I called you an anti-intellectual. Anyway, I would recommend this movie its really great and showcases a throuple so you and anyone reading can see what it looks like in practice. It's based on a real man Doctor William Moulton Marston who is the creator of Wonder Woman and was openly polyamorous in the 40s while teaching at Harvard. His two girlfriends stayed together after he died until their own deaths after he passed away. I understand that it's a difficult paradigm for westerners because it's not common but in some places of the world it is comon. Sometimes it's toxic sometimes it's not, just like any romantic relationship and friendships. I'm half french Canadian and half African from Chad and heck my dad's adoptive father was polyamorous and his two wives are still living together today after he died and they're in their 80s now.

I think it's also that and also emotional control is a relatively modern thing. Men and women in history would fly into incontrollable rage all the time and even more-so if they are a powerful king with unlimited power. So many times where that got them killed a few years later because yeah precisely it's bad strategy. The coolest idea on Jesus I've heard is memetic desire by Rene Girard where Jesus's story was so different from the ones at that time and still today where usually high status powerful men were violent and destroyed their opposition whereas Jesus took the non-violent resistance route and perhaps in the story of universal consciousness literally was the saviour that brought our civilization towards human rights and liberalism even without the whole son of God context put into it. Personally I think I'm quite high consciousness but if Russians came and wanted to crucify me or give me the option to take it back and live in the status quo you can bet I am not ending up on a cross lol so good job J man maybe he did redeem us. If you haven't watched it yet the show The Chosen is about jesus and is actually entertaining and teaches good lesson. I gotta go back and finish it I watched season 1 and its actually game me a paradigm shift I thought Jesus was like a lame boring preacher but he's depicted as a wise man and also courageous action taking leader for his people so it's very fun and inspiring to watch. Sure but I think mostly good ol fear mongering of eternal damnation will do the trick as well. Even I have said out loud I accept Jesus as my saviour in a state of random anxiety because I sort of experienced hell through a mystical experience so I'm not taking any chances even though I do mostly align with Leo's view that God doesn't really punish its beings nor judge them but you never know man cause and effect can be brutal even if God isn't that vengeful.