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That’s a common misconception about service businesses. Clients don’t pay because they lack access to the tool; they pay because they don't have the time, skill, or desire to build and manage the system themselves. Anyone can open an LLM, but very few business owners know how to wire it into a reliable workflow that solves an actual operational bottleneck. For me I'm not banking on AI as the product quite yet, perhaps for my creative communities later in 2027. I'm a dating photographer and consultant so I mostly need help with the administration of my business not really the product at the moment. At the moment I have trouble with endless spreadsheets of prospects that have replied to my ads but I cannot effectively track them and reply to them with my current workflow, it's a bit overwhelming. Automating all of that would save me massive headaches and probably 2x my cashflow by itself. I also run multiple content brands where aggregating and analyzing cross-platform analytics is tedious. Feeding raw Google Sheets into Gemini has already streamlined reporting, but building a dedicated workflow around it will take that leverage further. I also have in mind a conversational AI that can coach guys on conversation skills but that's a longer term product to develop. What about you, what kind of operations or projects do you think AI could help you with?

@Natasha Tori Maru Yeah I agree with that, there are way better role models out there. Yeah that's fair as well. He's 20 years old though and he's not hypocritical, I think he believes what he's spewing. When he's in his 30s he will probably regret what he's pedalled. I still think he is a brave guy with good work ethic. Plenty of people with a better message are too scared to speak out and share their truth. That's been my case at times so I admire someone that does it continuously. Since you're a more public figure already I guess you just see it as the dumb competition which is accurate. He met Michael Sartain a few months ago so perhaps he'll be a more mature peer to guide him in the right direction I still would be shocked if the accusations come out as being accurate. Doesn't seem like it fits his character profile.

People will burn someone down socially for a mere accusation, trials are when actual facts start coming out. Until then it's jus pitchforks from bored or bitter people IMO. I don't find him cringe personally. Bizarre for sure but I mostly find him quite brave. He's the closest thing to a king of incels. He clearly has behavioural and social issues but he had the courage to keep streaming and made it. Compare him to all the dudes that never have the courage to put himself out there or worse like Elliot Rodgers who hurt people due to their own pain. He's truly odd and it's interesting to see him go on mainstream platforms and say the weirdest shit and own it and people clearly enjoy how authentic he is. Think about how many dudes think way worse things than him but don't have the courage to platform themselves. Someone like Tate has a vengeful and powerful hungry willing to do anything streak. He proudly boasted about scamming both the the women that worked for him as camgirls and the clients that paid the cam girls and built his own empire. Doesn't seem to have any deep values apart from an anger against society and a drive to power. Clavicular seems to be a more mild character who just wanted to have social success and is proud to showcase his newfound status to his audience. I haven't watched that much of his content only a few hours but that's my $0.02 armchair psychology reading on the guy. Also he's shown clear signs of wisdom for example staying out of politics and saying he doesn't understand it and due to his large platform he doesn't want to influence people the wrong way. Once again compare him to Tate who will do anything to gain more relevance and loves to deepthroat Trump. I don't heard Clavicular being really hypocritical but Tate rebranding himself as a devout muslim and man of God to me screams the Devil pretending he's the good guy and inverting logic to manipulate fools. I don't think rape makes sense for his character since he doesn't seem that bitter and power hungry so I lean towards him being set up and once again I could be wrong.

Same! I listen to like 20 songs mostly over and over and occasionally find a new one to add to the mix. Your song is cool, it has a satisfying groovy bassline to it. Reminds me a lot of this track—has that same atmospheric, sacred choir element mixed with the distortion:

Good call gentlemen, just made one. Yeah I think it's unavoidable that some people have a bigger advantage than others in this transition. I think overall it seems that the right conversations are happening both in terms of AI alignment driven by the AI doom camp and also the AI wealth inequality discussions championed by people like Sanders. Also Xi Jinping is in the US as we speak to avoid AI World War 3 happening due to Thucydides trap so let's not count our eggs too soon but perhaps we are in the best timeline after all

I guess strive is a word I trapped myself with, I think you are wrong on this idea. Most people do not work to build the assets necessary to build agency and ownership in the world. They pay their bills then distract themselves. They do not work towards owning cashflow businesses or other solid assets. At best they will match their employer's contribution to their 401k and a low percentage will ever learn proper investing. Financial ownership has a definition, it means to own assets and not solely liabilities. Someone can learn how AI agents work and use them each day to build value. Someone can customize open-source models for specific business workflows. It doesn’t take a master's in machine learning to do that; you can learn fine-tuning and agent integration from tutorials and documentation in a few hundred hours. I myself considered before to get into the business of selling custom AI models to small and medium enterprises and will revisit this idea next year, it's an extremely lucrative and future proof niche. People do not provide equal value to the marketplace and most communists waste their time with intellectual narcissism instead of solving problems. I've gone to many communist discussions and even private meetings and I met a bunch of smart and dedicated people who waste their time complaining about society and cannot feed even 1 other person outside of themselves. They'd rather talk about the evil bourgeoisie than start an organization that helps their neighbourhood, city or the world as a whole. No I'm taking this conversation out of the realm of philosophy and into the real world. If you can snap your fingers and make it so everyone on earth owns AI equally tomorrow Friday September 25th 2026 that would probably be a good thing, please do that. If you are a basic human like the rest of us I suggest you simply use the AI tools at our disposal to up-skill yourself for your future benefit and that of your loved ones just like I am doing and any other rational and motivated person I know is doing.

I got pretty depressed when I was dating my last girlfriend because it was a chaotic and toxic relationship. Some great times but it was fundamentally not getting me towards the life I wanted to live. I think it sounds simple but is deceptively deep but you have to flesh out the life you want and then achieve it. That's what will make you happy. Having a girl that you like hanging out with and that you fuck often will probably be part of that life but not the only thing that will make your existence great.

There are different parts to loneliness. What you mentioned about your friends is more about not being valued for what you have to offer than lack of people around you. Plenty of men with girlfriend/wives are not valued for what they have to offer and therefore feel lonely even in a relationship. What do you have to offer? What are your interests and skills? The best way you can solve this loneliness aspect IMO is post about it on social media and you'll start to get hundreds of views right away and soon enough comments about your interests. Now you have a way to express what you care about to a global audience that you can make a community out of, just like this one. Still get then girlfriend but going at this quest from a place of offering value and leverage is way better than "Nobody wants to talk to me, im lonely pls date me." I don't know what country you're from and if dating apps are viable there, please elaborate. Maybe that will work or maybe your best bet is to save like $5000 and move to South East Asia, the dating is pretty easy there.

@Sugarcoat Agreed, it's commonly used for a reason, it's catchy and maybe with the lack of lyrics you get bored of it slower idk. What's your favorite tracks?

Totally. He's also quite rude and makes $15,000 USD a day. I've met a lot of women in the nightlife industry that would make false claims in a heartbeat if they thought they could get some money out of it or I mean I'm sure some do it just to put down a dude that seems on top of the world. He could also be guilty but I'm providing the alternative explanation.

@oOo Demanding that everyone uncritically accept your self-assigned Stage Coral label while declaring any external evaluation "manipulative" is the exact definition of a closed ego loop. When high-stage claims can't survive basic inquiry or produce a single tangible real-world purpose, the diagnosis writes itself.

What are the odds that it's real vs someone looking to get revenge, attention, money out of him? I guess we'll find out more as the case progresses. Andrew Tate had a slew of evidence from multiple rape allegations. Clavicular hasn't had anything come out.

Yeah I think you're probably correct. @oOo Even in your "serious" breakdown, claiming you embody Coral while defining your relationship to Red with "though I could kill you" is a textbook example of the Pre/Trans Fallacy. It’s unintegrated ego borrowing high-altitude vocabulary, which is why when challenged, you instantly retreated into surrealist jokes and are still not answering simple questions about your real world activities and life purpose. When a person tends to deflect and hide behind irony and abstractions, it's usually because their real-world grounding can't support the weight of their spiritual claims.

How do you reconcile that with human will and especially in the future? Let's say in the next 1 year we face the possibility of Russia using a nuclear weapon in the Ukraine war. Unfortunately it seems like that's our timeline. It could or could not happen. Which path is God's will? Which part is Vladimir's Putin will? God doesn't make mistakes or is willing to accept everything and ultimately from it's position it doesnt matter? If you get in a car crash and you have infinite money and can't get injured I still think the car crash was a mistake, you just don't have the ability to suffer consequences. Yes I've heard him say some of that stuff before. I'm testing if you are regurgitating the content or if you've thought about it yourself and came to the same conclusions. I don't mean to offend you by pushing you on your statements. It's an interesting topic to deconstruct.

I think he's awake, it's only like 6 pm in Vegas right now. I guess in your view it means that you are always polite and never angry? If enlightenment is the realization that you are the whole universe and not just a sole human, why would that lead to perfect emotional mastery? I think it would certainly be a part of it but it seems like an outer layer of the onion. What about very calm people who don't really get angry and condescending ever, are they automatically enlightened? It's worth questioning but I think your argument against Leo is circumstantial at best.

Connection is not always a useful mode of operation. Conflict oftentimes has higher ROI than seeking connection with an incompatible being. Conflict can also force alignment, it's a misunderstood way of interacting with reality. It's one of the most successful biological strategies for a reason.

It seems that you retreat straight into dissociative surrealism and word salad. I think you might be at the exact opposite of being post-rational and land in the pre-rational camp my friend.

It just seems like a odd way of writing, I'm curious what you had to say about it. You also completely dodged the question about real-world output: What are you working on in life and what is your life purpose?

@oOo You have some interesting thoughts and creative angles in there, but there’s an obvious tension in how you express them. It feels like a clear flash of Stage Red aggressive ego-inflation and edgy power posturing. Do you recognize that streak in yourself and just lean into it because you find it entertaining and provocative to communicate that way, or do you refute that there's any unintegrated Red driving the bus there? Also what are you working on in life? What's your life purpose?

Phonk is great It connects to my moods so well. I've listened to like 20 of these songs 1000 times each this past year. I feel like it connects to my soul both the aggressive tunes and the more melodic ones.

What do you think stage coral represents and why do you think you embody it?

Right but I gave you a way to build your own reputation so that you aren't just a blob that's part of the collective and you dismissed it as It takes forever to change society, always easier to change yourself. I don't know what ethnicity you are but I'm half white half black. My race was chastised not that long ago and it was mostly irrelevant when I lived in Calgary but it was an asset when I moved to Toronto because Drake paved the way for lightskins to become popular. You can do the same for your people or you can keep complaining about it. Neil Degrasse Tyson is known as an astrophysicist, not as a stereotypical black man. Lebron James is known as one of the best athletes of all time, not as a stereotypical black man. You can wait 50 years from now for race to stop being an issue or take the next 1-2 years to build a strong brand and never have to deal with it again.

Thanks for sharing your similar situation. Losing a parent that young is a brutal crucible, and having compounding stuff on top of it makes it that much harder to crawl out of. Hope things have stabilized for you since. I hope you can connect it to the idea of being antifragile like I did and now are able to draw power from the unfortunate circumstances in your life. I do think that people that have it too easy are usually quite naive and delusional and I hope that works out for them but usually reality has a nasty habit of popping that bubble of fake safety for us.

@something_else You make several fair distinctions, especially regarding delivery. If someone literally argues "I'm Yellow, therefore I win the debate," that’s obviously an empty appeal to authority. But that's not what's happening when people diagnose developmental stages. Pointing out common Stage Green patterns such as egalitarian flattening, conflict-avoidance, or moralistic outrage is a useful diagnostic tool. It’s analyzing the cognitive architecture behind an argument. Where your critique falls into the standard relativist trap is here: Domain expertise (knowing how to build a bridge or perform surgery) is distinct from cognitive development. A Stage Blue engineer might build a flawless bridge. Nobody disputes that. But Spiral Dynamics is explicitly a hierarchical model of cognitive capacity and systemic awareness. Clare Graves and Ken Wilber were clear: Tier 2 is not just "another equal lens to pick from the buffet." Tier 2 represents a massive leap in systemic bandwidth because it is the first tier that can consciously perceive, hold, and integrate all previous stages without being trapped by their dogmas. Stage Green fundamentally cannot understand Stage Yellow mechanics. It reflexively interprets Yellow's functional hierarchies and cold pragmatic calculations as "heartless, selfish Stage Orange." Meanwhile, Stage Yellow understands Stage Green completely, recognizes where its empathy is valuable, but also clearly sees its fatal blind spots: its allergy to competence hierarchies, its economic illiteracy, and its tendency toward spiritual bypassing. I rarely see deep multi-perspectival points based on a deep understanding or even quest to understand the systems of reality being posted here. It happens but is rare. Stage orange are pretty obviously shallow in their points but the format for stage green posts is also pretty basic it goes "my ego dislikes X or Y". Rarely do you see people use systems thinking properly to connect various ideas together and produce unique insights as a result. Do you disagree with this?

Be careful with the wisdom of the crowd, it's rarely a bullet proof methodology I find it useful to take a lot of discussions from the Stage Yellow perspective and point out the ways in which people fall into Stage Green traps. I think it gives them an easy framework to understand and analyze if I'm right or not and how to gain greater insight into the issue we're discussing. For example if we take Donnie Trump From Stage Orange: Great president, will finally fix the economy and stick it to the triggered leftists From Stage Green: Abomination for mankind and gets anxiety thinking about why its possible that such a man holds the greatest position of power in the world. Bastardize his character as being a dumb corrupt person. From Stage Yellow: Finds it curious to examine the systems that lead to his rise to power being possible. For example Donald does not drink. He is an insanely focused man that does not fall to hedonism(at least of the legal kind.) To be overcame he must not be underestimated. Clearly narcissism in terms of wanting to push the limits and finding himself above the restraints of the average person is a weakness of his. From Stage Turquoise: A necessary part of human evolution to showcase the limitations of our government and clearly showcase that rule of law is an illusion of a pedophile can become the US president. If one comes it at solely from the emotional side then highlighting their blindspot towards the situation can help immensely in making sense of reality and how to be most happy and successful while operating in it.