LordFall

@Emerald Appreciate your grounding and perspective on how arguments actually function versus performative noise. @Natasha Tori Maru The practical distinction here is context. I’m not proposing a universal metaphysical truth that works for anyone under any circumstances; I’m outlining the mechanics of building leverage in your life and in your dating life in this context. @Joshe I think this says more about your psychology than mine. I don't generally tend to put people down for their desired lifestyles, I just call out the logical inconsistencies in the arguments they're making. If someone says "Kyle what I really want is to spend the next 20 years in the forest and date no one. I've had relationships before and I've built a career and business and now i'm satisfied and want to explore a new stage of my life in the forest. If I change my mind I have other options I can take, I'm in no danger and I'm excited about my new quest!" I would simply say that's so interesting, have fun and report back on how it went. If someone says "Building a high quality dating life is impossible, society is stacked against you so I will be single and alone for the next 20 years!" Then I will break down their points because it that example their thoughts seem based more on limiting beliefs and lack of strategy as opposed to the truth of our civilization. I tend to value impact and scale because that's how you start living in a life in a way that gives you real agency in the world as opposed to being stuck in the already established system. If someone is afraid of that mindset then I will push back on it but I don't recall ever ridiculing someone for having modest ambitions. I do think the average person on this forum is stage green and falls into obvious pitfalls of that stage being that they reject the competence and materialistic aspect of stage orange. They also have the easy cognitive bias of defaulting to lazy stereotypes which makes it easy for me to deconstruct their points. I consider myself pretty solidly stage yellow and understand the world both from their perspective and my own but also bake into my arguments the systems that regulate our society and I don't fall prey to using my feelings first in arguments which would leave me inherently biased. @yetineti My reluctance to go deeper into your points was due to your bad faith nature entering the post. I don't think there is much value in engaging antagonistic people as it will turn to mud slinging which I enjoy if theres a gentlemanly duel nature to it but when it becomes purely about evasion and and ego battles then I lose interest. Since you have taken accountability already we can move past that and engage in a more good-faith discussion. To take accountability as well, I did grey rock method you in the previous 'where have you had sex thread' so I do understand you feeling some resentment towards me in entering this one. I addressed your points generally and broke down my thoughts on how my dating strategy deals with the general ideals that you've presented. When you made a list of 10+ of them I addressed the one that was most flagrant to me. I generalized your points as being based in victim mindset and identifying with mediocrity because they weren't very precise and tended to take a moral grandstanding approach. Mediocrity just means being average and identifying with average concerns. I try to bake in that I will work extra hard to overcome the limitations of the average man so I can build an extraordinary life for myself. "• Freedom: Travel without financial independence becomes slavery and “blue balling” yourself rather than an experience worth having on its own terms" I don't know what you want me to say, if you enjoy it then have fun. I have travelled enough to experience the world on a shallow level and to really dig deeper I think I will have to host events in other countries and get involved directly in joint ventures with people there or just do it in a luxury travel style to enjoy the best of what it has to offer. "• Equality: You describe status as “winner takes all,” with the top man getting nearly everything while everyone else becomes irrelevant or fights for scraps." That's not really my point. I described building a community and helping people problem solve their issues in life and posting it on social media so you scale. Thankfully the average person seems quite lazy or too wrapped up with their psyche to be able to do that so they end up irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as a result. That's what I mean by my "insults" are definitions. If you are only relevant to the people close to you(Dunbar's number of 150 connections in a base tribe comes to mind) then you are irrelevant to other humans in the world. If you are hosting events or post content across your country and the world as a whole then you gain more relevancy. You can be relevant in a good way as in you help solve problems for humans globally or you can be infamous like I'm sure there are celebrities you dislike that you've never met. There are just the ones that jump out to me but if you want to make a more cohesive point against what I say then feel free. Streams of thoughts are hard to engage with as they require so much energy to address. Make it more like a thesis format and start with a sentence summarizing your strongest point. @Inliytened1 This is gonna sound harsh but I do mean it well, have you ever tried doing therapy? It seems that you go on these bizarre attack sprees that I can only imagine stem from your need to affirm status online or unloading negative emotions from events in your daily life. I have done therapy and it's helped me integrate my psyche and recognize when I was being passive-aggressive or blew up at people in an irrational way. I think it will also help you understand why I believe in polyamory so strongly. I have addressed most of my shadows and my reactive emotional tendencies so I can generally engage with people in a more grounded approach without my subconscious flipping out or acting in counterproductive ways. It doesn't make my model cold or unemotional, on the contrary it lets me build very deeply emotional relationships built on a secure attachment style that benefit all parties without being stuck in an anxious or avoidant pattern.

There's not much to expose me on. I've been consistently one of the most transparent and open members on this forum. I leave my Instagram tied to my real life identity in my signature. I like to push people towards the craziest goals imaginable as it's how I like to live my life and I find dreaming and visualization more powerful than coping in terms of dealing with the hard sides of life. I think it triggers a lot of users' limiting beliefs and they project them onto me instead of sitting with what I say and introspecting on it. I'm an ex competitive gamer so I don't mind aggressive rhetoric, I see it as intellectual sparring. @yetineti highlighting limitations is not an insult. Every negative term I've said in regards to your behaviour I found to be an accurate description. It's up to you if you want to increase the quality of your engagement or seep in it.

How did you manage to grow older without developing much wisdom? You sound like the weird uncle at family gatherings that people sort of like but also pity lol Also do you have dementia? We've talked about this before. I've seen you completely forget conversations you've had with others as well. My body count is around 50, I don't find it worthwhile to increase it until I have the resources necessary to build the polycule I want to date under over the next few years.

What points? I keep answering that your points are bad and you seem to not like that so retreated to: 'I don't need my thoughts and ideas to produce value because I value contemplation!' I think you should spend the next few months of your life figuring out what you value and then building something tangible in the real world that relates to it. Right now your opinions seem to be mostly based on coping mechanisms.

He's been drinking again I think. Adding no value and blabbering more nonsense. @yetineti lived experience is not ego 🙄

Excuse me? What exactly makes you an authority in dating? It sounds like you're jumping on the projection boat as well. I've worked with dating coaches, read books on dating, been a dating photographer for years, helped guys lose their virginities/find girlfriends and I hosted a dating podcast for months and met dozens of women through it that shared their frustrations with modern men and dating as a whole.

See how quick the victim mindset bakes in bitterness and leads straight to projection as it can't cope with its own lack of success? If your life is bleak and self-centered, don't project that onto me. I run communities with hundreds of people in it and I'm hosting a music event across the country in Calgary next week to support up and coming musicians. We raised some funds a few weeks ago for one of our members that was facing living in their car after getting evicted. This is precisely the problem with stage green. It's very short sighted and gets lost in expressing its frustration of the world instead of understanding the systems of reality to offer value to oneself and others.

Being optimized and having no tradeoffs are not the same thing. All we can do in life is figure out our goals and the best path to take us there. I do commend you for putting your picture on your profile, I think that anonymity produces only low value conversations or leads to posturing and making stuff up to not lose face. We've been talking about polyamory for weeks. If you haven't read my previous posts on them you're welcome to use the search feature or read through the polyamory subreddit to familiarize yourself with this relationship format. https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/ There are also plenty of good videos on Youtube about it if you're interested in trying it out for yourself. For me I've seen multiple girls at once in my pickup days in Toronto, I had multiple FWBs and other girls I was hooking up with. I found it very cool to experience different facets of each woman. I've also worked with models in my businesses and I found it a very fun way to mutually enrich both of our lives so it's a business format I'll be doubling down on over the next few years. @Inliytened1 With his 2 halves he can now sit down and introspect twice as hard to come up with better points. He spends so much time contemplating that it really shouldn't be too much to ask for.

I've already addressed your points. I think they are overly simplistic and not likely to produce high-quality results due to being rooted in a victim mindset instead of agency and abundance. I encourage you to stop being so reactive in your replies as you don't write thoughts that are insightful and you resort to lazy generalizations. I don't know why you felt the need to write 4 posts back to back instead of sitting down and coming up with a well-thought-out reply. That's what I meant by saying you lack cohesion in my comment on a previous page. I'm polyamorous so I seek to build a relationship with 3-4 women and intertwine them into my businesses so we can travel the world, work on projects that are meaningful and settle down to raise kids once that makes sense for us.

Arguing with stage green people is very easy as they don't have solutions to the problems they raise. They just emote frustrations and hope it shields them from the downsides of society. When it doesn't, they turn bitter and passive-aggressive. I use words very definitionally, you seem to be trying to play a weird gotcha game and seeking some sort of validation? Mediocrity just means average and making a bullet point list arguing against building a dating strategy based on excellence by definition is disliking competence. You seem to have trouble sticking to points and resort to weaselling out of them when called to back up your own position. Very strange way to have a debate if that's what you're trying to have with me.

Status is another word for fame and respect. Achieving those in a field that matters to you is important. Running away from that fact is a bit silly. Status-seeking when it becomes a replacement for healthy self-esteem and pushes you down paths that lack integrity is when it becomes a problem. Most people don't bring much value to others so they aren't rewarded with status. If you help people solve the problems that stop their life from being great they tend to praise you and tell others about how you've helped them. This is the foundation of status.

@yetineti Yes it's a model built to thrive within the frameworks of society. Your objections mostly sound like a romanticization of mediocrity disguised as Zen philosophy. If you don't like being competent and the rewards it brings then don't pursue this path. I didn't say everyone should follow it, I said it's the best one I've found and the results so far in my life have exceeded my expectations. There are 4 billion women on earth. You should build a life with the ones that align with it. How is this a hard concept to understand? You're free to date an Amish girl if you want or an unambitious woman. They don't fit the vision I have for my life but perhaps they fit yours. I tend to vibe better with creatives, models, influencers or business-minded women as we have similar life goals.

It revolves around the basic idea of leveraging your life so you end up with exponentially more results than what you put in. The main tools to do that are social circle game and social media. The main idea is based on hosting events around your interests and goals so you can start to meet other like-minded people. You then film those events to scale your brand and reach other people in your country or across the globe that are into the same things you're into. You then build a business that is either related to this or is at least online so you can detach yourself from the corporate slavery that most humans are forced into. You now have status in a niche that you're interested in and have income that allows you to free your time and travel the world. I'm not fully at this point yet since my income was previously tied to one main client that I no longer work with but I'm now rebuilding my business to be more resilient to this so that I can spend the next few years of my life travelling the world and actualizing this plan. So far it's been quite fun and shows a lot of promise which is why I recommend this hybrid model of life purpose and dating strategy to most people I encounter.

@yetineti You were being cowardly, you slipped in a cheap insult and when challenged on it you hid behind semantics. I never misrepresented you nor even insulted you, I described your actions plainly. This is the first time you've voiced any cohesive argument against the dating strategy I've presented on this forum section. It's still not precise and reads to me like vague limiting beliefs more than any actual values you actually champion. My whole dating strategy is based on credibility and integrity. The whole point is to build a social circle and brand based on offering value to others and thus building credibility and status. Consistently being able to solve people's problems and keeping your word as a man is the basis of integrity. Humility is usually described as knowing your limits and not inflating your competence, making your efforts public through your brand will help you do so. Stability is very important. To me that's a byproduct of competence. If you are not a man with a well carved out skillset you will be at the mercy of your environment and your stability will be short lived. Peace will come as a result of this competence as well as your relationship to the universe as a whole, what we call spirituality. Intimacy is obviously a key part of relationships. I think a lot of modern relationships are built on a veneer of false intimacy as the people involved in them have so many unresolved shadows in their psyche that it's hard to relate with one another. They end up lying and manipulating each other as a means of survival. A breakdown of communication is usually one of the leading signs of a breakup. Privacy is something that I do not particularly value. I think if you aim to have an impact on the world it's important to put yourself out there and champion your values and be a leader in a public community. Similar to what Leo is doing with Actualized.org and what many other men and women are doing globally to impact humanity for the better. Being a powerful and impactful man is the cornerstone of a good life and a good dating strategy in this context. @gengar Feel free to elaborate on your ailments and we can help you build a dating strategy that compensates for that. Leverage is possible to obtain no matter your circumstances. If you are quadriplegic then of course there will be hard limits towards what you can do in the short term but even then long term I think biotech and medicine are looking pretty good in the decades to come. If you have the use of your arms and legs then I think you're well on your way to being able to accomplish big things for yourself and others and building a top tier dating life.

What is this semantic word game? Not only do you not have a point, you seem barely able to have a coherent conversation with other adults. This is a good lesson for people on adding value to environments instead of being a passive-aggressive troll.

You called me insecure and when asked to elaborate on it, you were worried that I'll argue with you and you wonder why I call you passive-aggressive and guilty of projection?

Dropping passive-aggressive insults and then playing the misunderstood victim when confronted is textbook projection and cowardly as well.

I don't know what behaviour of mine you think has negative side effects, you'll have to elaborate on that. You seem to be projecting your own issues into baseless insults and then backing down when challenged on it.

@gengar That is a lot of paragraphs to justify why men who refuse to build charisma or presence feel entitled to a wife. Calling self-improvement and social competence "societal degeneration" is textbook cope. Women don't want reckless idiots; they want leaders who actually build interesting lives. You can either learn the game or keep writing essays about the decline of the West while other men build. Mostly what I advocate is building baseline competence and value as a man, socializing and networking to the point of building a solid social circle and building a personal brand to be able to scale your influence, vision and in terms of dating your access globally. What is degenerate about that? I think you have some more sitting down to do to figure out why your mind goes to these negative tangents about self-improvement as a man. You seem to have projection issues that come up in weird ways. @yetineti I think you also have some strange ideas that you like to project onto people. If you want to elaborate on some of your ideas, feel free but you seem quite far out of line.

If you're saying that I represent evolution itself by being so cool that the average guy seems lame in comparison, then I gratefully accept the compliment. I encourage you to join me in this quest; it's more fun on this side of the aisle. I don't think women should have to marry low-value males, that seems like a terrible fate.

The law is important, it helps keep reality mutually beneficial. If you are truly above the law it leads to totalitarian hell holes like North Korea quite quickly. Business and social media influence are the main two things I would and do focus on as an individual to gain power in society.

The top clubs are best for volume to practice cold approaching repetition but when you're intermediate and advanced you can go to more niche venues that you like more and do just fine. I'm a nerd so I really like anime conventions, I met my first girlfriend at CalgaryExpo. When I release my game and 50 women come to my booth dressed wearing cosplays of my characters then my world conquest will have passed stage 2 and will not ready for the much more fun stage 3.

Yeah that makes sense. To get 1 date usually you need at least 10-20 matches due to ghosting and flakes. That's why using boosts on these apps is important, you're paying them to send women your way. When I was using it a lot one boost would get me around 10 matches. I would boost twice to get a date, back then boosts were cheaper so each boost was like $2 so $4 a date plus about $10 in drinks to get laid. I did it like 10 times over a summer. Compare that to prowling the streets for hours without getting many results, that's why I warned you against cold approach a couple of months ago. It's fine as an exercise once in a while but basing your dating strategy off of it is foolish.

Did you hop on dating apps? Obv the nursing home is somewhat a joke, not fully I am legitimately considering working as a male escort for women as a side gig, I did offer you a solid way to get laid this week though. I do get the appeal of chest-beating to motivate yourself but I mean it's also a lesson in self-awareness and peeling back the layers of our psychology. Do you know how many times people have asked me for advice on both pickup and business and I give them the exact thing they should do and then they don't do it and go back to avoidance? I would say 80% of the times. It happens to me too all the time. Avoidance is a basic mechanism of the human mind but it's worth serious introspection to avoid deluding oneself for extended periods of time.

Fair enough bro. Just keep in mind that there is no shame in admitting that one's strategy is not working well and pivoting to to a better one. Starting to resent gay men for their ease of bonding with women is not the move. Not sure if that's what you're feeling or you're just analyzing the phenomenon. Someone just posted in my dating chat about turning trans and giving up on women. I had heard that as a joke before but I think perhaps that's seriously what happens to some people lol The vagina is an ancient temple whose entry fee is not straightforward and some have to pledge their entire life to be allowed in. The secrets of temple hopping are highly disputed across the internet and plenty pretend to have figured out the way.