LordFall

Can you share specific examples? It's hard to talk in generalities. What I will say is that there is a general sequence that pickup teaches you to sleep with women. If you deviate from this sequence you will get worse results. The obvious rebuttal to that is you don't want to sleep with random women that you don't care about, being yourself authentically will get you the right woman! I think it sort of maybe works like that but it's really not that simple. It's also not about hollowing yourself out more like presenting a socially appropriate front to meet people and then as you get to know people better you get less filtered. I had this exact conversation with the guy I used to throw events with as he ran into a similar issue. There is a formula to get laid with women often and it's basically: don't talk about anything deep apart from in passing and just tease her, banter and make it more man to woman frame like talk more slowly, strong eye contact, etc. When I talk to people naturally I like to talk about deep subjects, speculate about the future and be really nerdy. When I do that I don't get laid. I have interesting conversations and girls say wow you're cool and then idk not much happens. If I censor most of it and act funny and tease them and escalate then we fuck. I am working to mix both but it's not easy that's for sure. Also it's not even really sure that that's a good strategy, I think attracting a wide variety of women then selecting the ones you like is the best strategy. The other strategy is basically saying don't have a strategy and hope for the best!

@Emerald That's where I'm gonna have to draw the line and where your analogy falls apart. Learning social skills is not cheapening your character. It just helps you sell your character. Some dudes use being a smooth talker to distract others and themselves from the fact that they have nothing to offer. That does not equate to recommending people not to learn smooth talking. A woman generally does not want a man to become drastically more attractive, that makes him harder to keep. It's hard for women to give unbiased advice in that regard, especially without lived experience of having to attract women.

What is confirmed? That pickup gets you laid? I've confirmed it bro, don't worry.

@Emerald I hope you understand why men are drawn to becoming Chad. What you said is basically the cause of the dating industry in a nutshell. A dude wondering why his dating life is not working and then women around him saying "you're perfect the way you are, don't change a thing. I wouldn't date you though but some girl will!" What's great about game and pickup is they produce expected results. Perhaps, to use your analogy, it teaches a regular man how to turn his outer shell into cotton candy instead of being the average boring or complaining Joe. Some dudes take it too far and become entirely unrelatable in the process but for most men, it simply makes them more dynamic and attractive.

Yes best foot forward first then authentically addressing and voicing issues as they come up throughout the relationship is the move.

I think it's overrated in that people think that being honest and transparent is gonna be a huge step in the right direction for them. It sort of is but the reason that society teaches us to bottle up our feelings is that life is hard and complaining about that is not gonna change it. I think offering value is they key to most of the dating problems in society and value comes from solving hard problems so it can't really be easy. Thus offering value is an honest sign of high competence and being an asset to someone's life. If you aren't an asset to other people's lives why is being honest and authentic gonna change that fact? On the other hand being able to accept our limitations and not be delusional or falsely represent ourselves to others is also important.

Right but the whole economy is based on business so it seems like a pretty pivotal thing to get right. It's actually the precise reason a lot of corporate people are gonna lost their jobs in the next 5 years, because they are so far removed from the feedback loop of the real economy. So many people in middle management appear like they are doing stuff but are actually either useless or harmful to the businesses that employ them. This thread in the off topic section is a great example for the gaming industry but this corporate gloating effect is present in all industries. I see universities taking on a new form like 20 years from now they'll probably be free and be more like a community and research hub rather than a mandatory step in most people's lives. Whenever I talk to college student and they tell me about how busy they are with assignments or like midterms I feel like a voluntary slave is complaining to me about their life. If they worked that hard on their own business they would be financially independent by the time they graduated! Business has way less hand holding and is more stressful, it's not for everyone but I think every university student should try starting one in their gap year before they pay a lot of money to take classes.

@Joshe Thanks bro I appreciate it! For me the next thing I'm working on is doubling down on systems of leverage. I found a happy medium of mostly being an introvert that works and researches his own concepts for most of the day and now have a way to collaborate with people on them. If I could scale it to the point where it's a functioning business that takes advantage of AI to help local creatives build their careers through my agency, that would be sweet. That's an interesting concept, what do you mean by it? I think I get it but I'm not sure. I've bonded quite deeply with my fellow human beings in the past few years but there is a limit to that bond with my current ability since if we can't solve our problems what are we doing bonding? What good is gonna come out of it? I did Phenibut a few times years ago, I don't remember much from it but I had a buddy who loved taking it for socializing.

University has very long feedback loops compared to the marketplace and content creation though. I guess your professor grading your assignments every couple weeks is one way but it's also conformist due to being at the mercy of their bias and not being the real marketplace. If you run an ad and you see how much $ it takes for customers to message you, that's a real feedback look that can be ran daily with Meta ads for example.

Yeah depends on what your goals are. People like to meetup in person so hosting events is a great way to offer value and build your relevance and brand. With that page I host creative events like photoshoots and open mics. Here is a content creation type of event I hosted in May. I have a business and investment page and I hosted an investment meetup at that same venue a few months earlier. That went well but I'm not as qualified in that niche so I have to work with other people richer than me to give me credibility but it's the same principle of leverage.

What aspect of development do you think university gatekeeps precisely? I think the critical thinking that comes from writing a thesis is cool but that's hardly reserved for post-secondary. Plenty of independent journalists are higher quality writers with a bigger audience than most academics will ever have.

The Riot MMO is currently stuck in that same development hell. It's probably the most hyped game in the world after GTA 6. Probably never gonna come out or gonna be mid af when it does.

I run a few creatives pages/group chats in different cities in Canada. Considering starting a full on talent agency next year as my techstack and marketing ability should be able to start getting good results for others and not just my own brands. This is my biggest community so far in Calgary, Alberta https://www.instagram.com/calgary_creatives Being an introvert doesn't stop you from participating socially, you have to find high leverage ways though so you can work on it on your own time and then get together with people monthly and biweekly to host events or meetings.

I never went. I'm going of going back Q1-2027 because I have a fund that will pay me to go. Otherwise I wouldn't bother, anything that can be learned in a class can be learned outside of it. Campus life can be fun though, universities are often the social core of the towns and cities they're in.

I think sex trafficking is a very important issue to fix but I don't think this model fixes it. I actually don't understand why brothels are not legal, that seems like the most ethical version of sex work from all parties perspective. Sex at a Nevada brothels costs like $500-1000, I think if women want to sell sex and their time for that much they should be entitled to and if a buyer wants to spend that much to get laid he should be able to. We are getting there though and even onlyfans is a preview of what happens in a free market of dating. Monogamy is an artificial construct that has worked for a while but is ridden with holes that need to be artificially plugged for it to hold up.

I think applying pressure to Trump during his midterms make sense. Carney doesn't seem one to levy insults for no reason, unlike Doug Ford, which would only serve to worsen the trade relations. Decoupling from the US is a nice ideal but it's not something based in reality anytime soon. Supply chains on that level take a decade of massive capital investment to reroute, not just a few nice phone calls with European and south american leaders and 2 years later we don't need the US anymore. I hope that the Carney administration will reestablish a bridge to Washington and will pick a time where Trump's narcissism is triggered by another source and he needs a quick win to secure a great deal between the US and Canada. The asymmetry of exports make it quite hard for Canada to negotiate with a lot of bargaining power with 75% of ours going to the US and only like 18% of the US going to Canada.

Boss: Cool, you're fired Worker: If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine

I think If the person you're pairing up with is serious, it works great. Me and Deepak had a call last week and we're having another one tonight, whoever wants to join lmk! You have a good point Yeti, I already track my habits daily so having someone to talk to weekly about my progress just makes the process of self-accountability less lonely for me.

Everything in life is hard, it's just about having the right goals so your suffering is worth it and also strategies to lower your feedback loop so you get your wins often and ideally weekly and daily instead of having to wait months and years for them. It's why I'm a fan of posting content daily, you get to have an idea, edit it and post it within an hour or 2 and you get to push it to the market for feedback that same day. I've started a challenge where I post daily for Legend of the Abyss, I'm gonna film the content for day 9 a bit later today. Me and this guy here have been doing accountability calls, you're welcome to join. I'll hold you accountable!

Let's get it

@Joshe This is a high quality post. It's a key insight to separate the dating strategy from the self-esteem strategies. It's important to develop self-awareness and identify what you actually want in life and not just react to your formative trauma. A lot of guys don't care about getting women, they just want to feel okay with themselves. The average man is not ambitious at all. To me I used to sort of hate popular people and think they had the best life while I was not doing much. The more I experience life and level up the more I realize a lot of popular people are mostly extroverts that like to socialize a lot which makes them popular. A lot of them are genuinely fun people to be around and they offer a lot of value so people wanna be around them. Some of these popular women have pure golden retriever energy not a single evil bone in their body but people hate on them due to sour grapes. For me I find the quest for status to be like a video game in real life. The more you understand how the world works and climb the more bonus items you unlock as well. Getting hotter and more girls and more money is like the cherry on top. It's also very cool to increase your ability to impact other's lives, I've started to become a community leader and genuinely solving people's problems for them is also maybe not intoxicating but very deeply grounding and rewarding.

@Raze Good find seems like a high quality rebuttal. I don't have time to watch it either but when I ran both videos through Gemini here is what it said I'm more of a fan of discussing practical strategy to get good results in our lives in the short and medium term than discussing other people's thoughts. I've studied red pill frameworks and found them worthwhile. I've studied feminist literature like the book on Leo's book list and read through the female dating strategies subreddit when it was active and also read the sugar dating subreddit and all of it gave me some useful insights. Overall it's all about finding ways that are particularly powerful to get your wants and needs met. In terms of dating from the male perspective I've found that studying photography for online dating, learning social circle game to throw events and personal branding have given me the biggest upside.

@UpperMaster Feel free to bring up some exact points and we can debate them, I don't like watching random videos. I think in general most red pillers tend to regurgitate very vague claims like "women with high body counts are bad!" and "become an alpha male or it's over for you!" Those points end up becoming more like talking points that shape their debates vs actual truths based on data. I think the alpha male claim is the one I most strongly believe in but that can mean so many things. They turn it into if you don't have $1,000,000+ net worth and aren't 6'4 and above you will never meet a woman in your entire life but that's obviously not true. I believe in increasing the value that you provide to women and the world as a whole; I think that overall leads to the best life possible as a human. There are many ways to twist that axiom though and if you just want a basic everyday relationship you certainly don't need to become superman to get into one. To have a very high quality relationship with particularly in demand women though you start to need to rank higher in the male tier list. Vilar's point was more to highlight the ways that men are getting the short end of the stick. Not that men have it worse overall, but rather that mainstream narratives always cast them as default villains. Her work highlights the overlooked half of that social contract. Game definitely works, sometimes it's overhyped as the holy grail of all human dating dynamics but it's only one part of it on top of having your life together and understanding psychology enough to be able to screen your potential partners.

What do you mean by true? Like reflects accurate trends in the real world? Or studies made using proper methodology? Some studies are manipulated to fit an agenda but you can look most of them up for free online and double check them yourself for accuracy. Usually one of the main blunders people make is confusing correlation for causation but there are other cognitive biases that shapes people's views.

Your identity survives conflict with reality and the lies disappear. Plenty of people have great ideas that once confronted with reality fall apart, they were most likely delusions or they didn't make sense to exist in reality.