LordFall

I respect you for acknowledging that. It's common for someone that lacks self-awareness to appear a bit bipolar in what they say as the psyche gets compartmentalized. That's why I default to asking them to flesh out their desired dating life in detail so at least they have a concrete vision that they've fleshed out. That vision can change but at least it's concrete and after 6 months they can go back and see if it holds up or if it was based on insecurity and delusion. Bro I would go as far as saying that the concept of abundance is so scary for people that even getting to dictate their own dream dating life is too scary for them and usually people don't take me up on it and keep their dating ideas as nebulous fantasies in their head instead of being able to write even a single page on it. I was in that same boat for a while. Having these discussions on this forum has given me opportunities to flesh out my desires and test them against you guys opinion which is partly how I know that I'm not driven by pathology since my desires have been consistent for the past 10 years and they measure up against the pushback of people that understand psychological pitfalls. Abundance is scary man, it's literally the concept of infinity and non-duality that Leo talks about but applied to dating in this context. What does an infinite dating life even mean? It's worth discussing. It can mean an infinitely beautiful monogamous marriage or dating an infinity of the best women/men you can find in the world.

You’re proving the exact point by pinging other members to validate you instead of addressing the logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection You've projected by reusing my own argument against me which is false. I said that your point could be valid but how do we know for sure if someone basing their dating strategy based on fear/insecurity or genuinely wants a dating life based on abundance. You then doubled down on your point and invalidated mine without addressing it. Then when I called you out you felt cornered and projected unto me.

Nope, you're projecting. I've said multiple times that self-awareness is key in dating and one can choose to be monogamous if they truly desire it. You default to calling wanting options and abundance fear based and don't seem interested in deconstructing it even after I've invited you to do so openly.

Sure, I think your opinion is not accurate though and based on how you talk about dating on the forum you come at it from a scarcity mindset as opposed to a true integrated psyche. I feel this because you jump to conclusions and have a biases in the way you come to your conclusions and don't seem very open minded to other views that don't validate your mindset and paradigm.

I agree with you about 50%. I would be careful with rejecting abundance-based dating strategies and just bastardizing them as "fear of intimacy," though. That's a classic therapeutic oversimplification that gets thrown around whenever a man chooses not to instantly lock himself into monogamy.

What makes you say they are sabotaging their relationship if they are intentionally choosing not to pursue a single girl? I think it can be true that they are an avoidant and not ready for commitment but also that you could be projecting your model of relationships and your desires unto their life. Mike Majlak is a good example of someone who wants to play the field whereas women have wanted to settle down with him whereas his buddy Logan Paul lives under a monogamous framework and wifed up a girl that some including myself think is questionable choice for a lifelong partner. Feel free to share more specific cases and we can discuss.

Sure, you're living in a monogamous framework though. You can date intentionally and see multiple women at once. There are unhealthy aspects to polyamory but also monogamy in that it forces you to commit too early to people you barely know. Similarly to the issue @Olaf ran up against here. It's completely against your optimal dating strategy as a man to cut off your options as soon as a girl likes you or even if you like a girl and it seems good at the start. Sometimes it's emotionally taxing to fuck multiple at once which is why having a social circle with multiple women in it is quite the asset. Not only you are building more option platonically but also they can spot things you don't about the women you introduce them to. @AION Caring about the opinion of other men besides those you respect in your circle or testing the masses for business feedback is pretty useless. If you are poor they will laugh at you. If you are a billionaire they will laugh at you. If you are an Incel they will laugh at you. If you are happily married they will laugh at you. If you have 5 girlfriends they will laugh at you. You can only win by achieving your highest dreams and not letting random dudes affect your mental state.

What do you mean by dating intentionally?

Screening mechanisms are very important for you as a man to give your commitment and energy to a woman. Regardless of if she has 500 body count or 0 or tattoos or goes to church 5x a week. I think honestly the best way is to date casually and to not have exclusivity on the table until 3-6 months into the relationship when you've tested her in many situations. The classic are living together and travelling together. A lease is a bit commitment but you can invite her on a weekend getaway with flights and see if you spending that time with her is a dream experience or a fucking headache as her stress is unmanaged and she can't relax into her femininity and let you create a beautiful experience for the both of you. A good litmus test is what does she add to your life outside of her beauty and sex. Is she actually a valuable and fun person to spend time with or are you in scarcity, lonely or just that she puts up a good front and lovebombs/sexbombs you?

That's exactly my point. Stage green is so untenable that it cannot stand on it's on, it can only take hold in society once it integrates the lower states and evolves into stage yellow. Green is unique because no other stage really throws away the fundamental stages of society like it does. There can be functional albeit toxic societies in stage purple, red, blue and orange but green is so emotional that it believes in anarchy or like I said communism. The reason there are no green corporations is because they don't work. Coops have been tried for a long time, it's not a new thing they are just not competitive entities. To exist in reality you need to competitive against the other entities or individuals that exist in your environment and green decides its a good idea to stop competiting and thus drastically lowers its impact on society. You seem massively triggered for some reason. If you want to debate further, I'd love to. > You definitely didnt do research on that and thats okay. We are not writing research papers here. But i would just generally advise you to keep an open mind instead of being so self assured all the time. Confidence is good, but dont be a fool. Good job being condescending, I've read the whole communist manifesto and attended multiple in person communist events in different cities as I'm interested in their viewpoints and like discussing economic theory. I'm quite confident I can eviscerate you on any point you bring up regarding spiral dynamics or communism so if you'd like we can do this debate streamed live. DM me on here or on Instagram and let's set it up, I have some free time in the evenings this week or on the weekend.

I often get back injuries when working out by myself so I think I have to get a personal trainer to do it consistently and have it stick. When I was younger I hurt my back deadlifting or squatting and ever since then I try to get into working out consistently every couple years and I end up injuring myself and being in bed barely able to move for 2-3 days and then lose momentum and lose my gains and then quit it until the next time I get into a fitness motivation mood and start the loop again.

Nope. You can be perfectly happy and content and then still want to share more of your power and love with the rest of the world and step out of your bubble and keep achieving and doing more to create abundance for others and not be driven by your mental unhappiness. Once more, you are creating a false dichotomy. I wonder why you are drawn to this style of thinking? Do you feel like the pressure of the world is overwhelming and it's easier to focus on inward happiness and ignore anything communal or the collective issues we face as a species globally today?

Owen has a strange chip on his shoulder that seems to not him connect with people authentically without power games so your point on him not resonating with the more grounded environment of daygame is very astute. I think what Leo means by creepy is he's always frame battling people even where there is no need to like he never got over his teenager insecurities and sees the world as a competition 100% of the time. My Velvet Network business partner took a bunch of bootcamps from RSD and he said Owen's bootcamps were the worst because he didn't actually put in effort. It was his assistants doing them and at like 2 AM he would show up talk around the club quickly gather the guys outside, give a speech and go home and he was like why the fuck did I pay $1500 extra for this? You can see he even does it to Sartain here where instead of being warm and friendly with his buddy that he's known for 15 years he's still very cold and calculated and frame battling sartain. I think honestly Owen is a bit of a sociopath and interestingly he stayed far away from psychedelics which perhaps would heal his inner traumas and connect him with the world more. One of the clearest experiences in my life that connected me deeply to people forever since was doing Molly at a club and feeling so much love for these random people that I just considered antagonistic and judging me just an hour ago.

I never said it's the only thing I care about. Most guys will never date or sleep with an 8/10 woman in their entire life let alone a 10 so it's not a useful way to phrase the discussion IMO. The goal of abundance is to have your cake and eat it too. Both date the hottest and coolest women that you've ever met who are are also deeply in love with you and are ready to join their life to yours and make it an amazing adventure. A lot of times attractive women I find don't really have bad personalities they're just really aggressive or dismissive because they have so much options they don't have to be nice to random dudes. Some of them are still quite nice but even the mean ones if you get to know them and they respect you open up like sweet princesses. It's all about your frame and leverage. A good example I have that doesn't have to do with hotness but I was the manager of a cafe in downtown Toronto and I had women working under me and a few guys. One of the employees was really incompetent and stressful to work with because he had no idea what he was doing so a specific girl was kind of mean and bitchy to him but really she was trying to make sure that he didn't fuck up and hurt the cafe and make her job harder. That same girl when was working with me was so sweet relaxed and like a different person because I handled everything so she was able to relax in her femininity. Here is a very simple test to know if you can date 8s and above. Make a list of 20 of the hottest women you've ever seen in your entire life. They can be girls you know but I mean literally the hottest women you've ever sene so instagram models, actresses, bottle girls, onlyfans girls, youtubers ,etc. Now ask yourself are you able to even get in a room with these type of girls consistently let alone date them or fuck them or are you watching from a screen and forced to date girls in your real life that actually give you attention? It's very easy to delude oneself and that's why looksmatching is a concept, humanity has to progress and if dudes refused to reproduce with anyone but their perfect 10s we would be extinct already. We thankfully live in an era where you can obtain infinite leverage if you so desire and date whoever you want as long as you put the effort in so that's why it's an important and pleasurable quest for me.

I find naturals tend to be only good in specific environments and struggle to adapt to others especially those they don't have status in. I've had a few extroverted friends that ran laps over me in places where they knew people and were naturally charismatic and talked a lot and gathered the attention to themselves. In other places where they knew no one that I invited them to the jokes landed very poorly and it turned into a lack of calibration pretty quickly as they understand the fundamental social dynamics and how to adapt to different social environments because they just socialized by instinct. @Zenterus Makes sense its common a lot pickup coaches have an existential crisis in their 40s if they don't have other businesses or communities they're a part of. It's like an unmarried party girl in her 40s the results just start getting worse and it's hard to cope with. Roosh V was one of the funniest ones turning from a degen pickup guy to a christian to try and keep the frame. Ross Jeffries is one of the few exceptions but I wouldn't say it's aged well, pun intended.