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Seems like he went through his own Eckart Tolle like experience being stuck in his backyard for 7 years after having a stroke and ended up seeing life in a new light and writing this book. Looks like a banger, I'm excited to read it. By listening him to talk about it, the main idea seems to be about enjoyment of the present moment and being able to enjoy the sublime simplicity of life. He breaks it down into 12 areas that he feels represent most the concept. He's probably my favorite author of all time so I'm very excited to see how he mixes his usual practicality and historical prose with a more spiritual topic. Interesting to see him go from more achievement based topics to a more esoteric inquiry with the one before that being a Marcus Aurelius type book on his 366 Meditations and before that reflecting on human nature and now the sublime nature of existence itself.

What about the right-wing appeals to to you?

Scandinavia is actually a great example here, but it proves my point. In fact, you could argue the Nordic model is operating at a Stage Yellow level because it doesn't reject Orange at all and fully integrates it in its many efficient systems. Instead of treating Stage Orange market dynamics as a "necessary evil" to be moralized against or constrained, which is how First-Tier Green operates, they take a Second-Tier Yellow approach and intentionally harness market mechanics as the foundational energy engine that makes a complex high-stage social safety net possible. Sweden, Denmark, and Norway rank among the most free-market, pro-business, and high-innovation economies in the world. They don't bypass Orange productivity or bash enterprise; they built massive, efficient market engines specifically so they can actually afford a Green social safety net. Synthesizing Orange economic reality with Green human values into a functional machine is literally systemic thinking. My critique wasn't about productive citizens in social democracies who contribute to a high-output society. I'm talking about the super common trend of people using Green anti-system talking points as an ego defense and often using "the system is evil" as a cope to avoid doing the hard work of building a useful skillset, discipline, and leverage in their own lives. I don't think the average left leaning westerner is firmly Stage Green with a well integrated Stage Green. I think they are exactly the Blue/Orange/Green hybrid monstrosity that you call a stereotype. Meaning being mostly talk and virtue signalling and not very effective people.

It shouldn't be about worshipping with money but being a very effective human being that offers a lot of value to his or her society and thus gets paid very well and gets to build the lifestyle they choose on their terms. 90% of people never get there and end up living life in economic scarcity.

I find that 80% of people with a Stage Green mindset I see online or encounter don't see to have Stage Orange properly integrated at all. Do you really know a lot of activist minded people that have a solid grasp of business and the economy and have plans that make sense to further the cause they champion? Most people I see that point out social problems and seem really passionate about them, once I start to ask questions about how do we solve this go silent or say stuff that makes 0 sense. @Ulax Straight up. It's realistically more like 95% than 80% that seem to have not much inkling of Stage Orange or Stage Yellow in their perspective. Of course it depends which subset of Stage Green people you interact with. If you go to an ecoengineering convention then I would assume that the attendees would be much more solutions oriented than the average activist. Stage Green people almost always throw the baby away with the bathwater in terms of their Stage Orange perspective and start to view everything as oppression and fall straight into the victim mindset trap. They rarely are able to band together and do anything productive and at best will go to a protest(but not one that they organized themselves.) You could also view it as people coming from Stage Blue and wanting to build an identity outside of the mainstream and once they get to Stage Orange and they look at the mountain of productivity required to actually become an independent being in modern society, they bypass it and adopt Stage Green talking points and start blaming billionaires for their problems. It's hard to say but either way it leads to the same result of people complaining a lot about the injustices of the world without doing much to build a skillset that would give them the leverage over the marketplace necessary to impact their own life and society as a whole. I find that it helps me tremendously in understanding where the people I'm talking to are coming from and seeing what type of advice might actually help their perspective. Otherwise I run into the problem of offering some piece of advice that seems very reasonable to me and the objections that I got made no sense until I filtered them through spiral dynamics then it started to make so much sense and I've been able to understand the mental blocks of the individuals I'm dealing with.

Yeah I think purely casual is also boring and draining, I like in middle and have had a few friends with benefits. That was a good time and more enjoyable than one night stands. Relationships are great but can be too restrictive and it's also hard to find the exact type that you wanna be in unless you explore casually beforehand. It's also important to have a vetting system that sorts the people you get involved with so that they're compatible with you, not unhinged and attractive enough for your taste. Important as a man but VERY important for women.

I feel like calling a spade a spade is very efficient in terms of basing a conversation on truth as opposed to feelings. I'm telling you, if you keep looking for it on this forum and in society Stage Green talking points become very obvious. The biggest litmus test is they don't have a solution baked into their viewpoint. They share what is often a very valid viewpoint in terms of what concerns them but they don't make the leap towards understanding the system that governs the situation and thus lack problem solving in their perspective. @Natasha Tori Maru @Ulax Yes, epistemology is a great field of study to really go deep on spiritual ideas. I've had a lot of conversations with religious folks about religion and usually their answers are very shallow and turn condescending very quickly and it shows they haven't done an honest inquiry. I had a 30 min talk about a friend of my dad about Islam and what he said sounded profound and worth investigating. Then when I asked AI about it, it said that the 3 main points that he brought up are common myths shared on Islam Tiktok/Facebook. I'm open minded and give it a shot but I wonder if he himself has ever bothered to cross check his beliefs or just watches videos that confirm his bias and moves on with his days feeling superior to non believers. @cetus Thank you for sharing your backstory. My aim in calling out your harsh response was not to diminish the wildness of what Majed said. It's just to point out that we can transmute the anger and hate into understanding and provoke hopefully lasting and powerful change in the user. If we just push out people with problematic mindsets out of polite society then that leads to a fragmented world where an escalation of these negative feelings is bound to happen. Anger is good! If met with understanding and channeling then it can embolden a powerful purpose instead of festering into frustration and fantasies of violence that mask feelings of inadequacy and powerlessness. I feel powerless all the times. I've tried meditating over it and it works somewhat. The best antidote I've found though is power building and building the reality I want on my terms. This is why my original replies to Majed were about killing the victim mindset and offering him pure strategy that I think will produce actual results in his life. I think perhaps dating should be pushed to the side of his agenda to focus on autonomy and personal finance though; in hindsight with seeing how the thread developed.

Have you tried it and you felt that was the result or someone indoctrinated you against hookups and you believed them? I've had maybe 30 hookups with chicks I barely knew and it was mostly fun. One of the biggest contributing factors on if I felt good or bad about it over the next few days honestly was if I was really attracted to them or if I let my standards slide just to get laid. Humans are fun and getting to meet new ones and being intimate with them is generally a good time for me.

Yes but a lot of billionaires turn many of their employees into millionaires. Thousands of Meta employees became millionaires by working under Mark for example. There is such a thing as a business structured as a shared ownership cooperative and people do start them but they don't tend to work very well. Yeah but that's mostly due to fiscal policy of the Government and macroeconomics. Not really individual business owners. Which is why I'm excited about socialist figures being empowered in US politics currently.

Very good news to wake up to! Happy about the Texas flip, that's a huge message to send. Do you think billionaires in and of themselves are the problem? For me it's the fact that a lot manage to skirt around the rule of law and it's the corruption and the tax avoidance that hurts the people not really their wealth accumulation. Great business people that build successful enterprises should be rewarded but not stand above the law.

We can only hope! Texas going to a democrat would be a huge move in the right direction especially with it recently absorbing the exodus of all the rich people leaving California.

Well I'm no fan of Religion but if I had to play Devil's advocate I would say it's the main value system that gets people to think about true long term thinking in terms of the afterlife and taking that into account instead of just ruthlessly acquiring power while alive on this earth. The Greek philosophers do a good job of also reflecting on our duty and the weight of our actions but without the after life consequence insinuation, I don't think it manages to grasp human behaviour as much as religions do. Religions give you an easy answer as to where you come from, what you should do in your life and what you'll experience after you die as a result of your life's actions. If it was just about that then it would be a lot more valuable than it is now but of course it got its way deep into politics and culture so that it's not simply a spiritual practice but turns into an ideology and cult in a lot of cases. In a lot of ways the Catholic Church is the successor of the Roman Empire and it perfected it's control mechanisms. Once a spiritual framework turns into an empire or an ideological cult that punishes those that don't fully embrace its tenants, it loses its soul and becomes mostly pure control.

Yeah it’s hard to wrap your mind around, even western societies are more comfortable showing violence than sex on TV. The religions are specifically caught trying to demonize world and convince us that if we don’t follow their principles our souls will be tainted but in the process they seem to kill a lot of unity and love part of spirituality and replace it with judgement, shame, intolerance and overall a lot of stuff that overall sounds like devilry to me. I told my coworker yesterday too that I was bisexual to give the thought that she can choose her life and not just go along with what her family chose for her but she just said “You know in our religion that’s the biggest sin right?” I didn’t really wanna start a religious debate at work but I wanted to ask what about murder and rape and actual crime? What is it about sexual autonomy that’s so fear inducing to ideology? I guess it cuts to the core of authoritarian control mechanisms, if you can control a beings reproduction then you got it by the balls literally.

His feelings are actually a microcosm of what's happening around the world as old institutions are collapsing and individualism is taking more of a hold. The reason why I think Majed is worth engaging with is because he's genuinely trying to figure this out and sharing his honest thoughts and his situation is quite difficult. He is stuck in between Stage Blue dating and Stage Orange dating and trying to reconcile it. Dating is not a activity based on freedom and love in the Middle East and a lot of other places in the world. It's built around authoritarianism and extreme pressures. Not to say that Islam is evil, it was perhaps necessary to unite humanity in the harsh region that it evolved in but it now seems to mostly comprise of dysfunctional defence and oppression mechanisms. This forum is likely the most progressive and perhaps healthy support system he's exposed to so I hope you guys can see how the wish to reduce harm by silencing someone venting his angry thoughts could lead him straight down the route of further radicalization. He is trying to pull himself out of a repressive extremist organization that controls his life and I think we should assist him in that; he is not a just being hostile and trolling. This is the story of his life. Just yesterday I was talking to a female coworker from Bangladesh who's been working here in Montreal and her family recently arranged a marriage for her and she's not excited for it as she says she knows what her life will look like after doing it and a lot of her freedoms will be gone. If she refuses it then her direct and extended family will disown her and she will lose all her support systems and community. This is the culture Majed grew up in and the one half of my family also is part of and thus why I have particular compassion for those indoctrinated and oppressed by it. My dad won't talk to my brother because he's gay and I haven't told him I'm bisexual and he'd probably kick me out and stop talking to me as well for a time or perhaps ever. If I went back home to my home country and this leaked out without protective measures in place, I could myself face kidnapping and violence at my own family's hands. Ideology is a very powerful force and trying to pull yourself out is much harder than it seems from an outside perspective. Notice a lot of parents of Muslim children discourage them from getting jobs when they reach 16 and a lot of them live at home until they're 30 if not longer. This is also why building independent value and leverage is both the way to attract women but to fundamentally free yourself from other human imposing their version of reality on us. There is a relationship between freedom and love that I can't quite verbalize yet but seems key to this conundrum. Let's of course encourage people to focus on love and authentic intimate connections with others but let's not underestimate the forces that are working against that. To beat our enemy we have to deeply understand it. The enemy here being the lack of consciousness and the resulting dysfunction that afflict much of humanity. The reason I linked it to war is that this is the end of result of us not being able to understand each other. You see it today in all kinds of ways both in gender wars but in the literal wars that are starting to happen more frequently.

I mean I would introspect on your viewpoint, it seems low consciousness to me. Refusing to engage with people with different viewpoints and yes even violent thoughts and tendencies are how we escalate to the wars we see today. Be careful living in a Stage Green bubble of safety where you reject anything unsavoury. Majed is clearly frustrated and fed up with life and he's sharing his thoughts before resorting to expressing them on the universe. How do you think God would respond to him if he talked to him directly? Certainly not with your comment. Violence is part of the world and we have to understand it if we are ever to solve it for good. I believe we are going to do in the next 20 years, the future is looking bright! I'm reminded of Daryl Davis, a black man who attended KKK rallies and befriended leaders of the Klan and is responsible for getting over 200 members to renounce their ideology and leave it. This is how we heal the world, not by demonizing those who are lashing out.