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Totally. He's also quite rude and makes $15,000 USD a day. I've met a lot of women in the nightlife industry that would make false claims in a heartbeat if they thought they could get some money out of it or I mean I'm sure some do it just to put down a dude that seems on top of the world. He could also be guilty but I'm providing the alternative explanation.

@oOo Demanding that everyone uncritically accept your self-assigned Stage Coral label while declaring any external evaluation "manipulative" is the exact definition of a closed ego loop. When high-stage claims can't survive basic inquiry or produce a single tangible real-world purpose, the diagnosis writes itself.

What are the odds that it's real vs someone looking to get revenge, attention, money out of him? I guess we'll find out more as the case progresses. Andrew Tate had a slew of evidence from multiple rape allegations. Clavicular hasn't had anything come out.

Yeah I think you're probably correct. @oOo Even in your "serious" breakdown, claiming you embody Coral while defining your relationship to Red with "though I could kill you" is a textbook example of the Pre/Trans Fallacy. It’s unintegrated ego borrowing high-altitude vocabulary, which is why when challenged, you instantly retreated into surrealist jokes and are still not answering simple questions about your real world activities and life purpose. When a person tends to deflect and hide behind irony and abstractions, it's usually because their real-world grounding can't support the weight of their spiritual claims.

How do you reconcile that with human will and especially in the future? Let's say in the next 1 year we face the possibility of Russia using a nuclear weapon in the Ukraine war. Unfortunately it seems like that's our timeline. It could or could not happen. Which path is God's will? Which part is Vladimir's Putin will? God doesn't make mistakes or is willing to accept everything and ultimately from it's position it doesnt matter? If you get in a car crash and you have infinite money and can't get injured I still think the car crash was a mistake, you just don't have the ability to suffer consequences. Yes I've heard him say some of that stuff before. I'm testing if you are regurgitating the content or if you've thought about it yourself and came to the same conclusions. I don't mean to offend you by pushing you on your statements. It's an interesting topic to deconstruct.

I think he's awake, it's only like 6 pm in Vegas right now. I guess in your view it means that you are always polite and never angry? If enlightenment is the realization that you are the whole universe and not just a sole human, why would that lead to perfect emotional mastery? I think it would certainly be a part of it but it seems like an outer layer of the onion. What about very calm people who don't really get angry and condescending ever, are they automatically enlightened? It's worth questioning but I think your argument against Leo is circumstantial at best.

Connection is not always a useful mode of operation. Conflict oftentimes has higher ROI than seeking connection with an incompatible being. Conflict can also force alignment, it's a misunderstood way of interacting with reality. It's one of the most successful biological strategies for a reason.

It seems that you retreat straight into dissociative surrealism and word salad. I think you might be at the exact opposite of being post-rational and land in the pre-rational camp my friend.

It just seems like a odd way of writing, I'm curious what you had to say about it. You also completely dodged the question about real-world output: What are you working on in life and what is your life purpose?

@oOo You have some interesting thoughts and creative angles in there, but there’s an obvious tension in how you express them. It feels like a clear flash of Stage Red aggressive ego-inflation and edgy power posturing. Do you recognize that streak in yourself and just lean into it because you find it entertaining and provocative to communicate that way, or do you refute that there's any unintegrated Red driving the bus there? Also what are you working on in life? What's your life purpose?

Phonk is great It connects to my moods so well. I've listened to like 20 of these songs 1000 times each this past year. I feel like it connects to my soul both the aggressive tunes and the more melodic ones.

What do you think stage coral represents and why do you think you embody it?

Right but I gave you a way to build your own reputation so that you aren't just a blob that's part of the collective and you dismissed it as It takes forever to change society, always easier to change yourself. I don't know what ethnicity you are but I'm half white half black. My race was chastised not that long ago and it was mostly irrelevant when I lived in Calgary but it was an asset when I moved to Toronto because Drake paved the way for lightskins to become popular. You can do the same for your people or you can keep complaining about it. Neil Degrasse Tyson is known as an astrophysicist, not as a stereotypical black man. Lebron James is known as one of the best athletes of all time, not as a stereotypical black man. You can wait 50 years from now for race to stop being an issue or take the next 1-2 years to build a strong brand and never have to deal with it again.

Thanks for sharing your similar situation. Losing a parent that young is a brutal crucible, and having compounding stuff on top of it makes it that much harder to crawl out of. Hope things have stabilized for you since. I hope you can connect it to the idea of being antifragile like I did and now are able to draw power from the unfortunate circumstances in your life. I do think that people that have it too easy are usually quite naive and delusional and I hope that works out for them but usually reality has a nasty habit of popping that bubble of fake safety for us.

@something_else You make several fair distinctions, especially regarding delivery. If someone literally argues "I'm Yellow, therefore I win the debate," that’s obviously an empty appeal to authority. But that's not what's happening when people diagnose developmental stages. Pointing out common Stage Green patterns such as egalitarian flattening, conflict-avoidance, or moralistic outrage is a useful diagnostic tool. It’s analyzing the cognitive architecture behind an argument. Where your critique falls into the standard relativist trap is here: Domain expertise (knowing how to build a bridge or perform surgery) is distinct from cognitive development. A Stage Blue engineer might build a flawless bridge. Nobody disputes that. But Spiral Dynamics is explicitly a hierarchical model of cognitive capacity and systemic awareness. Clare Graves and Ken Wilber were clear: Tier 2 is not just "another equal lens to pick from the buffet." Tier 2 represents a massive leap in systemic bandwidth because it is the first tier that can consciously perceive, hold, and integrate all previous stages without being trapped by their dogmas. Stage Green fundamentally cannot understand Stage Yellow mechanics. It reflexively interprets Yellow's functional hierarchies and cold pragmatic calculations as "heartless, selfish Stage Orange." Meanwhile, Stage Yellow understands Stage Green completely, recognizes where its empathy is valuable, but also clearly sees its fatal blind spots: its allergy to competence hierarchies, its economic illiteracy, and its tendency toward spiritual bypassing. I rarely see deep multi-perspectival points based on a deep understanding or even quest to understand the systems of reality being posted here. It happens but is rare. Stage orange are pretty obviously shallow in their points but the format for stage green posts is also pretty basic it goes "my ego dislikes X or Y". Rarely do you see people use systems thinking properly to connect various ideas together and produce unique insights as a result. Do you disagree with this?