now is forever

what’s the problem with the cake? did you get a cake facial?

why again? have i been away? i didn’t notice... it’s such a big cake you know, one strawberry easily get’s lost.

what kind of cake is the lie? is it cheesecake or strawberry cake or lemon pie? or is it christmaspudding? i wonder which one is the lie - i guess it’s the one that is not there or it’s the one that is there... confused. if there is no cake but the lie cake, but it is not there because if it was there it wouldn’t be a lie cake, what kind of cake are we baking then? are we baking anyways? and who jumps out of the cake if there is no cake? maybe then there is no one to jump out of a cake because no cake no one! or is it no cake no ego?

@lmfao an autistic “brain” type is lacking on mirror neurons, as one theory - actually i read something about experiments with oxitocyn to increase the mirror neuron capacity recently, or was it growth? but you are talking about conciousness not the L word are you? so the sensitivity to what do you want to test? i don’t think autistic people are not able to love they just love differently and they just don’t really recognize the difference between a person and numbers (cliche) for example. so how do you want to induce love experience? showing pictures of people and numbers? did no one ever do that before? and i wonder if it then would only be the brain function you would measure or what else on the body? for example how would you measure what body functions are involved - and you would need to define love very limited, so you could compare it and you would need to define conciousness, too. as a function... the question is always a systemic one, also one of encoding - although there are energy knots, if you want to find something like emotion or love or conciousness or the soul in a person, good luck!

a lot of south american shamanism is rain forrest shamanism, i’m sure you can find shamans there if you go search for them, i even guess they will teach you a very direct nonduality. i guess it’s different as the ancient big cultures of south america like aztecs, maya and inca didn’t make it until now, the old cultures are subconsciously more suppressed even, they couldn’t transform their knowledge in the same way as india or most asian cultures did, due to historical reasons, so they never developed in that sense “mainstream” sages or techniques. i started to read carlos castaneda quotes like fortune cookies... in my experience the “sages” from south america i heard of - if you can call them sages, are mostly story tellers, like clarissa pinkola estes. and there is a lot to learn from ethnological research of stage purple communities and family living and how they interact with nature.

can you tell me where that state is? i would move there if i knew where that is or are you talking about some other planet? though an absolute state sounds like a dictatorship. ask yourself where is the boarder between thought and emotion! maybe you need to move into confusion to get there once.

mhhh, still think this picture of fools is not quite complete... i guess then i prefer spiral dynamics and tarot fools and strawberries. even though the zero fool described here seems to have some truth sticking to him. if it’s on the shoe or something else, i don’t want to judge about that. but i would say i miss the rollercoaster fool or the rubber band fool or the zigzag fool or the fool on the hill. he almost only describes the fools on the less bright side of life almost to a point of melancholy - not really the fool with self sufficiency. but the tarot fool is a happy fool, a johnny look in the air - well that is until he falls into the water.

No. Sorry. that’s kind of a compliment. there is a lot of symbolism in the rose - that’s why i meant i guess i’m the complete fool. but the most outstanding about the rose are actually it’s thorns - a zero fool will try to pick it anyways. but what would happen if he wouldn’t? what are all the alternatives of picking roses? there is so much in this picture but its on you what you think you are doing wrong what you see in it of what you should let go. the rose could be anything - it is like the moon. finally it is also a joke.

he says it very clear:... stop picking roses - it says everything about the zero fool. and nothing. you see a rose has two sides like a coin. but can you see all that is hidden? stopp picking that. stopp picking roses.

that’s a really beautiful view, but be careful with this view as it is limitless in the direction of seeing love as pathology - in love as the serial killer. there is no limit to love but the limit of not seeing it is not even that as love is conflating into absolute.

i realized i need to really prepare again to carry that snailhouse everywhere i go - even though it’s not for creeping in. my snailhouse has open doors and i need to make sure it is well equipped. but with this i could do whatever i do everywhere. maybe it just needs a little bit more speed not only in phantasia. it’s a very speedy phantasian snail. it thinks about bringing that house here and there. but then it also has to plan all the traveling stuff like what bird to take or what location would be best to open the doors.

@tsuki yes - i never saw it negativeley actually if you look at the fool on a tarot card he looks like someone without concerns, happyly walking with the eyes in the sky even though walking at the brink of a cliff. (i always thought s/he‘s well aware of the cliff) but i thought maybe that’s what gurdjieff was also talking about that’s why i mentioned it. i‘m not sure, though. just thought a fool knows - but that would mean i‘m outing me to think of myself as not an idiot.... preposterous.

so yeah this is maybe the end of the fools card and the beginning of the strawberry - but lemon is still my favorite fruit of all time.

it’s kind of funny how the fool seems to answer itself - it is this but more than this. i guess i‘m mostly the emotional fool but only partially as i certainly have been the zero fool once. mhhh i‘m all of them a little bit - maybe i‘m the complete fool. thank you zigzag fool aka @Zigzag Idiot

@tsuki how is it we seem to have similar chacra issues so often??? if you wouldn’t have talked about trust i wouldn’t have known what the belly chacra means. @Zigzag Idiot thank you - actually, also had a look in your journal and bought the idiot safe book - but wondered why it’s idiocy rather than foolishness... maybe you are more the zig zag fool. a clever bunny or something.

nice idea - but very difficult to do in reality as every material has special production conditions. bpa free plastic for example, the one that doesn’t mimikry estrogens, is not really the best one to recycle as it is more on the tougher brittle side of plastic - the material has not just a consistency the consistency is also saying something about it’s processing opportunity and chemical/physical reactions with air and liquids. in the end it’s still a design/engenering problem, for one bootle in a whole it could work, but not on all packaging equally. but i agree that it’s a possibility to ban more plastic than we already do - as there is already controll in that direction for health reasons. so you would still need to change production behavior and that means also machines. you know the best plastic is no plastic. i have a very ambivalent hate/love to that material.

problem about this is that on a communal level there are not equally equipped recicling facilities - in a theoretical model like that you would still need to bring the technology on the same level everywhere in europe that would take years. but yes with the right waste sorting technology people would not even have to separate waste at home anymore. technology like that exists in a functioning model in the netherlands. (unfortunately i can’t find the video on that) a combination would be perfect. (also banning composite material in packaging... but that would be hard)

yeah i know, it’s still wishful thinking. but maybe some political synergy effect... we‘ll see if it works, these guys let us test it and if they like what they see they just copy it, the same way as we did with them the last 40 years or so... and we still copy some stuff it’s just an exchange. you know how that works in a peer group. it‘s a tiny progress. tiny tiny

checked the link and it’s a lot of data, but did you realize one variable of the comparison was, they presupposed every plastic bag would be reused as waste bag and then compared it with the cotton bag. and if we talk about fashion, if the backpack or cotton bag is fashion - then it’s an additional saving in the production of pu fake leather bags. and you safe money because you don’t need to pay for the extra LV sign, if i would even know what it stands for. it‘s some kind of weird sign cult. somee research brought a little bit of light: and maybe this one could also be a hint - it’s a fruit facial.

i‘ll have a look how long it takes until the cotton bag makes up for not taking plastic bags - that’s in that case maybe more relevant. as we are not going to zero waste but to less useles waste. it is more saving on unnecessary waste. of course textile recicling is a topic, too. @Zweistein you have such a green thumb you would let us go naked.

if europe get‘s cool tech green, will the us get very envious? maybe it works like with peer pressure! we have the fancier bags!

to ban single use plastic is a good idea because of several factors. first of all the energy used to produce one time use only packaging will fall away - it also is a saving on focile resources. one time used plastic bags can be recicled as they are usually made of thermoplastic but we all know if, it’s downcycling. and in reality they mostly get burned or in a lot of cases in europe land somewhere in nature. (think alone of waste mafia) of course there will be more paper used instead but i think in addition to the banning, people will think about alternatives as paper bags are also more expensive than plastic. biodegradable plastic is kind of an alternative but also very controversialy discussed as it is made of plant based agrar resources. what stands in competition to food - there is a danger of monoculture and it also might enforce more genetic manipulation as it is non food. we all know about how genetic manipulated plant material spreads through thin air alone. also combustion is critical as those plastic bags combust more slowly than other components. overall if it is accompanied by the right campaigns, people will be forced to discuss and rethink their habits and a lot will start to bring their own bags or backpacks - it will also have the effect that recicling enters everyday awareness much more and can be a little push to go into more green thinking in general.

yeah well 50+ would mean everything left from the 3reich - are you kidding? but actually it’s not true as shortly afterwards we had the sozialstaat - what defacto doesn’t exist anymore. so from everything after the 3reich we also arrived at more right.

@Azrael

wonder who’s the thinker of that thought...azrael, wonder what’s not radical or normal about that name. you really wanna know it hum? then don’t think let others answer.