now is forever

mhhh yes, that’s why it would be better if there was a tool. so everyone could handle their own zoo. i’m sure we are getting confronted with the cycle in different situations.... so it’s difficult to include all possible symbols. but the symbols are something that could be researched by the people themselves. they just have to be found somewhere.

@Zweistein i started to listen to it yesterday and remember there was a thread about recontextualizing or integrating eastern symbols more. don’t know if it was about the hero with a thousand faces. also fell asleep halfway. but i see where the dragon slayer came from.

i think so... isn’t yoga embodiment, or learning to ride a bike, surfing, playing an instrument? or learning to work with the hands... also sexuality, or just touching someone other. if the body is aligned with the spirit isn’t that embodiment? and embodiment is also the prana body. tsuki you just push me back into the phantasy world.

think if we use symbols, and make a tool like a mind map or something to draw on, everyone can put their stage in the different categories, themselves and just know where they are at. mhhh - i think it might not be unusable but maybe just not yet developed enough. maybe it’s also possible to colour the symbols... might be better do develop it digital... but i like to work on the wall so something like a printable mindmap to download would be nice, too. how are all stages the same? your personal stages or stages of others?

@tsuki mhh yes - i don’t know it. but it bears also resemblance to the bauhaus structure and to the structure of the buddhist wheele of rebirth and death. so it could also be used to figure that out.... not exactly, maybe but if we visualize circles in general as fragments of symbols it could be helpful. not to forget spiral dynamics.

actually not really, because we should really understand this, i posted it already in @Zweistein journal. think it’s a basic for all dragon riders, to navigate. in the center is the body/mind/society/home if you want to make changes you can always navigate with it. you could also bring them in different order and find out what mirror’s what the best. if it’s about the mirroring. maybe you have to do some zooming first. in the end i suppose it’s about holding the balance. even thought about some kind of tool - for the wall. but i suppose i won’t have the time to make it... could be a coworking project 1.how to find love 2. how to keep love alive 3. sticking with it or going 4. how to develop potential in creating something (here it‘s related to career) 5. how to develop self-confidence 6. how to fail 7. how to develop selfawareness 8. how to interact/deal with others 9. how to be serene/composed 10. how culture can change your life 11. how to enjoy life 12. the meaning of life found it basically on the streets like a fallen leaf from a tree. if it’s recontextualised, think there would be no harm in using it.

i really would like to open some more windows - but zweistein is right. maybe mañana.

@tsuki yes of course i got that. ☺️ but isn’t it also missing the conversation then. english is just such a wonderful language to play with words. there is a middle matrioshka tsuki - always in everyone. as long as there is a little thunder left in the heart.

what kind of missing do you want to imply? sometimes you sound so arrogant tsuki and then again you are so selfreflected that it’s difficult to say anything against it. it makes it difficult to crack the nutshell. ?

mh that’s so dubble standard i better say nothing. i mean ambiguous, just didn‘t find the english word.

no it is the wheele that’s throwing them. it is the stillness in movement. it is matter vs hands together they are oneness with.............

@tsuki i‘m sure @Zweistein will give an answer, too. what about you are right, but you are not right? what if it’s all a matter of inclusion. after all reality is a paradox, we are born to die anyways, in the sense of we are trying to coap reality with the phantasy realm without even knowing to fly a dragon properly. why is it a vs anyways? you just subtracted all of us from your view. intentionally or not. i know most people communicate like that. but in zooming in you need someone who is willing to let you zoom. and all you get is a perspective. the difference between a teacher and a student lies in the way of communication. yes of course you can always take the counter perspective. and then you get the broadest „knowledge“ but you can also take both perspectives and just let them stand as they are and sink in. and get some kind of wisdom. isn‘t that the unity of opposites? speaking of tao. just referring to shaping material, where all learning started how does the art piece speak to the artist or the object to the designer shaping them at the same time? how do we learn from matter and still put our spirit into it without resistance? of course you can do icesculpting with a chainsaw... if it’s the given material. but you can also use the ceramic wheele. of both perspectives. what’s more tao? so what is a blockage of learning? a paradox? depends on where you want to go. is it a „belief“ that the world needs some kind of healing. might be if you have given up teaching. so i suppose it‘s almost the same view we are taking, with some differences in how to fly dragons.

@Zweistein ? mirrorplane - maybe we can support everyone with „fertigpizza“ ? soon. christallography, inversions etc. sounds interesting. after all this zooming i get also hungry for this topic. another day. ☺️

@tsuki hahaha so funny. the dragon also stands for the dream in general for inner difficulties of alignment - energy flow. i‘m just a little tired and then it gets messy. i see how the same might have happened to you. i mean dragons are also challenges inside your inner world. and yes it‘s better to fly one dragon a time or stick with one. two dragons are also a symbol for feminine and masculine. so i see how messi it can get if the symbol is not aligned with the context. maybe tsuki - you should find out what your dragons are.

@tsuki if it’s all just one, anyways, you can always put a mirror in between. if it‘s just your inside view. and yes there are boundaries for me - they are different dragons some of them are very concrete ones and sometimes i walk away from them or i try to stand them or i try to disconstruct them. and i just discovered the boundaries between heart and head. but there are boundaries between heart and hands or head and hands and hands and matter. between chaos and order etc. it’s better to take one problem a time but usually they seem to come all at once. i‘m also an selfactualizer you see - i‘m not a superwoman maybe in my phantasy. and i‘m working on it.

i already started to set it free, don‘t you see it, it’s just a spirit in this world.

that’s a compliment. who ever said i‘m flying alone? and mine is almost always staying at the phantasy world. it’s a creative dragon. the dragon is not the mirror but it can pass through the mirror.

first of all it belongs to the world of phantasy and leaves enough space to dream. but there are luck dragons and angry dragons and flying dragons and small dragons and huge dragons and sleeping dragons. it depends on how the dragon is tamed - but you know dragons are never really tamed. because it’s not really in their nature. don‘t ask me how to fly dragons - i‘m not there yet. but maybe it’s about the technique.

@tsuki not yet ? - hope it’s more of a dragon. and yes i can still see an elephant as an elephant when i walk through the mirror into reality.

@tsuki hmmmmmmmmmmm - but the elephant means a little bit different things in different levels... on one level it is democracy and on another level it is community and on another it’s ganesha and on the child level it‘s the protecting hand of a mother. so the elephant was there from long ago - and it’s a plant eater, i mean all elephants are plant eaters. and who needs dinosaurs, when we have dragons.

@now is forever what about you? do you feel more like a student or like a teacher? or do you change perspectives? magical zooming glasses, hehe.

@tsuki did you not find your inner child? or the stillness within? i just imagine it as zooming in and out - sticking to mirror metaphor. a little bit like alternate nostril breathing. from one world to another. the mirror is inside but there is also silence. hahaha - now i got it... you see i try to be clear water. but it might be impossible if i want to be a mirror at the same time. i was never a good student in that sense my mother always encouraged me to be a teacher.

@tsuki hahaha, yes sometimes, but i buy trash usually only when there’s at least some meaning in it. the dinosaur is not me... i‘m the elephant you see. so i nourish the elephant not the dinosaur. it’s evolution. inside dinosaurs you can often find elephants who have evolved backwards because they got so hungry they want to be mammuts.

@tsuki it was a positive response in the sense of how to approach the dinosaur. figuring out what’s junk and what not is a very good tool to communicate better with objects. not with people...well maybe with their context. you see we are talking about different zooming ins all the time. my perspective of zooming in is this: