now is forever

first picture, hero with a thousand faces: the holy mary picture with jesus in her arms - the complexes campbell talks about afterwards are understood but the solution to it is only partly helpful. the solution is the dragon slayer...? maybe that’s the root cause of many problems, maybe that’s one cycle. but it misses out on the possibility to find peace in the reunification with the feminine by finding peace with the feminine. it‘s true though that the real influence of the mother has to go partly to unify completely with another woman - there has to be a hierarchy in an relationship. as long as the queen is the mother, there will not be another queen. if the mother steps back without slaying, she might not have to be slain at all. the dragon is a dream or an illusion - the dream of the mother as the unity (mother child) vs the woman behind the the dragon. so it’s also about letting the projections of the mother go to see the true nature of other women and accept them as different from the mother. so i guess to find unity for men it’s important to understand the negative aspects of their woman picture and also understand if they hold up their mother too high - in the end it’s a matter of both, loyalty in a relationship and projections. and in one aspect the dragonslayer is always righ (if the motherpicture is too present, it’s very difficult to find any woman sufficient at all) if we think of the dragon as part of two dragons, like they are found in asia, the dragon is also possibly the father aspect. slaying this dragon might be an alternative, too. in the sense of replacing that picture with another men picture. in the end we might need to understand, that both dragons are part of us and that we have to tame them instead of slaying them completely. (they themselves contain also two dragons and so forth) it‘s not about suppressing them - it’s about understanding them and about letting the negative aspects go. in taoism that picture is different in many aspects - they don’t kill the dragon at all. but east asian cultures also have never seen themselves separate from nature (at least some family traditions still keep that secret alive)

doing some reflection for men here: ? the heroes journey from joseph campbell is way to complicated... all this dying and rebirthing and killing and luring. it‘s like a labyrinth itself - how could anybody find a way out with that kind of story? it’s like a self fulfilling prophecy. you get neurotic just by believing in it completely. sorry to campell lovers. no offense. don‘t want to even disconstruct that. it’s an odyssey. think i‘ll do the most irritating picture comparison anyways.

so basically it is: find yourself in the jungle. and then eliminate it? what‘s left is only the jungle and the person who took the audio recording. it‘s only random noise if you remove yourself from the equation.

@Zweistein thank you for being here, thank you for naked ice skating and thank you for harvesting fruits together!

yes, so basically speaking it’s a strangeloop between theory building and embodiment. the line between the lines = the mirror between the lines (open or not) and the actual construction, that makes us step from one into the other colour or tier. think green is mostly still stuck in embodiment of creation, then. embodiment is through action and movement. what leads to process and process leads to theory building.

living it differently, what else is it than an experience itself. only the quality changes.

just setting that up as a topic to reflect on: utopia vs dystopia. what are the pro‘s and con‘s of ai vs humanity. it‘s more a matter of: will we allow some things to happen or will we resist?

mhhh in what is creation different than action and movement? if it‘s a process? it‘s all about theory aligned with doing and embodiment, isn‘t it. how to get there is another theory though.

well but that’s a point... too. being free - if you are truely free you might start taking non might start creating the wrong, might never find at least some and get lost on the sea. @Hearteker so at least find yourself a star that is bright enough to guide you a way. old greek wisdom

@PhilGR just get really good in that job and find exeptions from the mainstream. if you are specialized back to the future, that means also finding out about niche nutrition, you will always have a job. i almost predict you, where you catched that up, they didn’t have a christal ball. if they start to exchange lawyers and doctors into ai i would leave the country.

@tsuki i‘m not sure what you want to say if i found stillness in motion, and motion in stillness. could you explain? did you find motion in stillness, and stillness in motion?

i guess if nothing is holy nothing is holy, if nothing is holy there is nothing wholly. something has to be holy, we are lost if not.

no you didn’t give a sufficient answer. if you give up answering you make yourself the one who is not worth answering. it’s the right question and the right answer, that forms unity. if you predict the answer while someone is answering accordingly to the wish it‘s of course not the right answer, because then you could have answered it yourself. so if someone intuits the right answer and asks a question the question will not stop until you figured it out by yourself in a self sufficient way. but what about getting the right answers when it wasn’t even initially you asking the questions? who then did answer the question? still you because you figured out to ask for them. but it’s still a unity that made it happen.

the feeling of being responsible for something we couldn’t prevent. maybe foresee, too.

you know that it means you corner yourself. because you corner others.

@tsuki no i didn’t want to corner you... you cornerd me yourself. i surrender to questions every time. why do you think children are the best teachers? thank you @Zweistein i use to forget asking questions.

@tsuki no logic is not a feeling. it can be but you have to place the heart over the head.

@tsuki realize how greedy you are. you are still playing chess. you are still playing the game of logic. as long as you are a stone hunter, kali will eat you up.

@tsuki you are playing check. but don’t forget the king can’t move. do you think it will make the world better by removing all queens from the field? i wonder how many you want to throw until you are sattisfied. it’s a warning.

@tsuki i don’t feel strong enough for that, maybe yet. and somehow i like naive art. and i like staying a child. not knowing is beautiful, i’m just reciting. i don’t want the world tsuki. i want the world by not wanting it all. that’s a way of centering, that’s surrender too.

@tsuki no for me it’s the opposite. i’m loosing more and more during this conversation. because i already arrived there. so all you do is taking it away. until there is no emotion left - as long as you are not able to distinct between the two anymore. because there is a golden thread. of knowledge now - it’s the infinity thread. if you take it away it will be gone forever. you see not just for now. it’s not me who has to surrender, men have to surrender to that fact.

i don’t want to not feel anything at all... that’s a choice tsuki. and that’s the last pointer.

truth feels connected, lies feel disconnected.

maybe i should have stopped zooming... it all turns out to be like a lie and still it isn’t. that’s the heart vs the mind boarder you just closed the mirror for a moment.

@tsuki bugging could mean different things.... it’s some kind of weird though and my head is like a ? right now if its as ambiguous as i’m thinking of it. quiet manipulative. maybe i don’t want to know more - but at the same time... that’s the problem about knowledge vs. beliefs. what would mean in zweisteins words knowledge =belief i maybe don’t want to zoom into that. i would rather stick with believing in buddha.