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@Faceless wait a minute. guess we are talking about different fragmentations. i guess there are more but i listet the ones that i thought of in this context. fragmentation of time fragmentation of senses, perception fragmentation and splitting of personality into i and whatever (controller, ego etc) fragmentation of “handlungsraum“ something like „action rooms“ or „activity zones“ in society

yes, mhh but it’s at least the attempt to defragment reality - what’s left is only the „useful“ part everything „unuseful“ doesn’t even reach the controll unit. if you talk only about fragmentation it’s difficult to understand how the ego builds up a sense of self.

@Zweistein who is the guy lounching a rocket? is it the same as on the underwater love picture of the two fish?

very interesting! would like to add this: fragmentation is not only a problem of the i and the controller of the i. it is also a problem of the we and the controller of the we. controll does not start by fragmentation it usually starts with defragmentation, as the world from the individual view is fragmented, through division. the controller in that sense sets together the devided perception to a defragmented reality and fills in the empty parts, what makes the individual fragmented from another perspective. if the controller is able to see this defragmented reality in fragments again, it is more easy to fill in the empty spots by observation, instead of preconception. perception, thought and emotion perceived put together as one, are the defragmentation for the survival of the individual (fear/urge) but bring about fragmentation and division in the social world because we use to see them as one with the individual and not as a defragmented reality with some parts missing. does that fit?

to defragment this a little bit, can we understand, that veganism is the most preferable nutrition form for the future? vegans have made it possible, that the world is slowly changing awareness and more and more people turn to at least vegetarianism. and there still is a lot of work to do for vegans to make this community grow. but maybe we have to accept, that it’s almost impossible to severe the whole world from the domestication of animals and from eating them. (i‘m in india at the moment and it’s so obvious why the cow is an holy animal here, because they need the dairy products) farming animals in a more humain way and only eating meat occasionally would be a way also in other countries. we could also come to the conclusion that veganism and more ecological animal friendly ways of farming are the preferable alternative, unfortunately there are meatarians out there who almost made a religion out of meat eating, i guess some of them have darker ego reasons than health. we could also come to the conclusion, that there is a problem we can’t solve by just not eating animals anymore - it’s the problem of hyper industrialization and a crisis of overproduction of food in general, also plants, and how this industry eats up our health and contributes to mal nutrition (so far for now). this whole meat industry is a codependency to the carnivore. and it’s an interdependency with gene manipulation and pesticides/chemical industry. and it would be an illusion if we would think veganism could change that on its own. the other point is, how can we change bad nutrition through veganism? think it’s a matter of finding the healthy form of veganism. just not eating meat does not mean it’s a healthy nutrition - eating healthy without meat is a complete philosophy! no wonder people like to chose simple ones (meatarian that’s it...) @AMS in my perspective i can understand that someone is totally smashed if „meat“ healed an illness, but did you ever try other methods? as i understood it, it is not the meat that heals, but the absence of the unhealthy, so the cow has been your medicine completely unintentionally - while there could also be other methods, just not yet known or less easily to approach. methods like going raw or feasting? or doing a gut refurbishing, with healthy bacteria etc.? i guess you really found a good medicine for your problem, but don‘t confuse medicine for food - even though food and no food can be medicine.

i would love to hear the recontextualisation! guess the details are private though? it’s pretty cute, you drew it into a lined notebook, the more it has this innocent child like touch, i find that very unique to all of your drawings. they have this touch of magic. but this one is espessially cute!

ever thought about self acupuncture? i really would love to learn that for some of the reappearing small problems. but what to do, i guess i could learn to set a needle, but finding the right spot... i thought: wouldn’t it be nice if i just asked an acupuncturist to mark the right spot and then tattoo it on, just a verry small spot. and i could learn to set the needle there... and then i thought, what a niche market. (not for the fast money though) also found this here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/can-tattoos-be-medicinal-156450609/ could just someone please have the fun to make a new solid job/art and hype out of that? would be amazing!

mhhh fidget spinners? another product the world did not need... sorry to say that... production for the trash bin. really my „favorite“ products. couldn‘t you at least choose a sustainable material? - maybe you could wash your dishes with the stressball afterwards... if it cracks anyways.

want to share yet another perspective on veganism. what if it’s the animal proteins that makes us sick? this topic here feels a little like yet another rant against veganism. because that’s how it works as long as we are still meat eaters. we find pros and cons and try to understand why the meat industry works like that, instead of finding a real solution to feed the world, trying to cling to a justification. i realized that only after becoming a vegan for health reasons. i prefere not eating meat to taking cortison - and yes it also resolved the ethical problem at the same time, what feels damn good and takes some clouds away. so i guess a meat eater could never see the real problems with meat eating because meat is like sugar or coffee or cigarettes just clouding his/her view on the problem. what doesn’t resolve the real problem...

had this amazing experience in a plane yesterday. i fell asleep, my head rest against the window. suddenly waking up and realizing wow that’s me sitting here in this space, kilometers and kilometers away from the earth with only a thin material inbetween the outside and me. and suddenly my awareness just expanded into the space, i saw cities and streets as pulsing rivers of light. the stars so very far away the clouds so close. and some mountain structures looking just like sand on a beach from above. and i expanded my awareness into that space while similar or shortly after being aware of them, i realized how smal i am in comparison. and closing my eyes, saw myself as this light body moving from here to there in a tube of light in the air. moving light but not in light speed. it was a strange experience realizing how small and breakable ones life is and still not being overly frightened, just for a second being irritated and then just amazed, to not just think that, but to feel that with some kind of expanding body sensitivities and visualization.

just saw the new video from four days ago. how is it that those things tend to act out parallel to the videos? it is so amazing. to see that under this light... how far the essence of information reaches, even though just acted out. it’s just interesting... thank you zweisten - guess i‘m off, too. to india tomorrow.

don’t know what to say now... think i did it unintentionally you should really reflect on where and when you want to become a useless teapot. it might result in sabotaging ones life if done in the wrong context. it was more in the direction of doing things differently sometimes than how you are used to them or reflecting on the outcome if you would do them differently. doing things outside the norm or your norm, also sometimes sabotaging the shoulds. in that sense also becoming a useless empty pot, how mister dimitriiv likes to see the cup and in that sense becoming a fullfilled teapot. but i guess the absurd can be embodied in many ways - so the pot is really intentional unintentional or unintentional intentional what it is.

@tsuki no i mean doing something differently than expected. or thinking it differently than expected. like taking the long way home. or assembling something so it is not useful. taking a point in having no point... something like this: i mean doing it intentionally.

how about failing intentionally then sometimes? did you ever try that? not doing something the “right” way, but the wrong way? can have a really funny outcome and be pretty much mind opening. would be like a headstand...

@Zweistein as long as we are learning we are cought up in discussion, with ourself or with our surrounding. it’s a matter of sharing fruits and tea and our home. thank you for sharing a space with us - you made this space a home, a very comfortable one!

thank you for the recommendation. but mr dimitrii5 everything is really already mirrored in the human body especially the brain how should we ever severe that? by the way i really like her magic glasses! i guess tsuki it’s an answer to the zooming glasses, how we can integrate them. i still also think it’s maybe also about more body balance...why do you think kriya doesn’t work @MrDmitriiV ?

(referring to the last sentence) ? dito, thats the problem of our time... but what are you doing here? are you not building something? if the question about the how is gone, you just have to think about the if and i would go further and say: what if? and what to do with it. is that a red line? that‘s something you can do in every aspect of life. i have a really radical quote here...and i will also disconstruct it directly afterwards: „philosophers only interpreted the world, they didn’t change it“ maybe only until they do it.

@tsuki yes but tsuki that means you are entering a new stage! or have already entered... so what are the new steps? from my perspective you are really good in deeskalating! and you are really good in group dynamic! maybe you don’t have to have a theory building drive? you are good in dismantling theory - so do you need to build it to be a builder? what is it about the space and the shape that makes a shape stand out of the space. what is it that makes the shape? is it the space or the shape? so what does an artist do? there are different kinds of artists.

he must be really really good! and i guess i would start thinking about possibilities again... i don‘t know, then he would have set it all up... and would have tried to really point to the stage orange problems. (i can’t say it wasn’t on my mind when i started to talk in metaphors, but rationalized it down) well i didn’t think of him as psychologist but as someone who did that intentionally. but then again i thought he would be probably just play a roll he finds himself comfortable in. and because he wouldn’t answer to the question about sarcasm i just concluded he would play a role he isn‘t aware of. mhhhh - guess partially i concluded that, because of the darkside thread, where he was also contradicting himself. so the only psychological pointer for me was a reminder about the iceberg model of freud. see i rationalized it down.... again. why would a psychologist who could perfectly play a stage orange person show up in this forum and play that role? it’s not impossible but the probability is very low. except....now i would have to split it up again in other probabilities. but in the end all those small attacs on the ego that triggered him and all the small attacs that somehow didn’t trigger me because i was triggered by racism.... and only focused on that... so it‘s kind of a mess, again. if he really was a psychologist... he would have an answer now, i guess. what would make us testing bunnies. what wouldn’t make him a better person...? except...that’s just another infinity loop. if he really was on a war, mission...he would know: in war (and in love, including an inclusive love) every method is allowed. it doesn’t mean we can accept it. then i‘d rather let others contradict themselfs, because i just don’t know where exactly they come from (not in sense of country, but ego/self agenda) and you @Zweistein? what would that mean for you?

it’s not really political - it’s just about an integrated definition of solidarity. the kernel is the essence of the difference emile durkheim made between solidarity of group ego‘s and organical solidarity.

i really liked that difference:

sorry we just made a mess here - so i‘m willing to clean up. did i talk about that super nice newspaper i bought from a homeless person in the subway?

some days ago i read something about ashwagandha (it’s an ayurvedic adaptogen) the explanation how it works was quiet interesting - they say it works through the three powers of sattva raja and tama. it’s also called triguna. i read some more and find out it‘s about ayurvedic psychology. i would like to find out something about the correlation between these and that. i think comparing could bring some more light to that circle of competence. are we still working on a body, soul, mind model here? i know it was in another thread... but it just popped up ?‍♀️ is this theory building again? it’s not something bad is it? we would develope our tools with it...to another stage...is this already stage 2? guess it’s about interdependencies again. wouldn’t it be funny if we could see what kind of component is when at work? or is it just our interpretation again... i mean the ego minds. we could see what’s happening in another person without judging, and we could maybe see what’s happening inside of us. we could also compare it to the iceberg model of freud. am i a super ego here? after this whole discussion just caring for more theories?

i‘m going to paint the walls now, white ?. and some i just leave rough and rude.

@tsuki i don’t know, i just thought that role would suit you. maybe you have to give/have a lesson with every cookie you give to any child. oh man the ones without morals and huge ego are the toughest.