now is forever

so @Faceless do you want to restart the topic, or are you happy how it turned out? i have some ideas that might challenge your model and i still don’t really get what kind of roll you are playing - it fits your facelessnes.

....just remembered, one or two years ago, i came to the conclusion that there was only one big taboo left to talk about - the biggest taboo of them all. life i guess it is not anymore.

@brugluiz that sounds very good!!! if you do it, can you tell about the outcome? i’m very interested in healing stuff and new methods, especially if „psychology“ wins over „psychiatry“ - would be amazing to hear first hand.

i‘m still amazed by parallelism of thought in me and others (without communication in advance). if it appears, i always check possibilities.

today i thought about the connection between fear and the feeling of being powerless in a situation. are they linked? i always thought, feeling powerless was not about fear. on the contrary, i thought powerlessness is paired with a will to act and the awareness of not having appropriate tools or power to do so. so is the paralysis deriving from that breading fear? are we able of being afraid of being paralyzed? does that lead to procrastination? and in that to more paralysis? or is procrastination initially just another tool to solve the internal conflict - what was originally an internal external conflict? procrastination here in sense of a creative method to overcome the problem by changing directions. so is meditation in that sense also just another form of procrastination? until we control our body and mind, so procrastination time takes less time? that‘s why i love solving problems, because i hate paralysis? even though it’s a possible solution - i would not dare reducing meditation to only this. maybe what’s making life really worthwhile is procrastination on an advanced level. MAYBE LIFE ITSELF IS PROCRASTINATION! just depends on the perspective.

@Serotoninluv yes it’s the art of manipulation, all of it.

yes - he looks like one of the musketeers. or maybe green tights would also fit.

came back from india with a bunch of new knowledge, new thoughts, and some new things... not only that i learned some kumbhaka techniques, because of the eagles and the garuda. (in my old journal i wrote about holding the breath - guess i do that since childhood, without technique) i also found an approach to hindu belief. brought a dancing ganesha statue with me. ganesh is the god of new beginnings and in his dancing form, the god of the fine and performing arts. i would not have bought any murti before, but now i really like it, because i beleve in what it stands for (for me). it reminds me of that now.

is that an admission to the model of partitions? as in skandhas? but the way you talk it sometimes seams you think the thought is the only seat of the self. is body memory a thought, too?

@Jack River ok pantsies - where was i hostile exactly? i‘m just a little annoyed about the endles repetition followed by the endless: awesome dude...? sorry, but hostile is your little wooden hollow horse. love you, too. pantsies

@Jack River can you stop feeding the animals? please!

but to hold up this fragmentation of thought... i would call the process of thought fragmentation in threads after beuys a social sculpture in motion. and that’s from time to time a little scary, because we live in the most fragmented time ever.

@Anna1 see, preconceptions... but for me it still fits, hehe. process of loose association...very important tool.

the whole time was k-fed, btw k was timefed.

i guess your pets are fishes?

is this not a common discussion since the french revolution, in politics? especially since industrialization? so did krishna murti not take that up from materialistic politics and integrate it into an idealistic, spiritual worldview? i couldn’t read sth about processes either. so maybe it’s time fed.

mh - psychological time... that would mean memory itself...? psychological time is the same as preconception then? or only fear in psychological time? fear through division because what we urge is love but what we get is denial from the world so we constantly grow into it. psychological time in sense of learning, comparing, expecting? i don‘t get it, as i think there is no other time than psychological time. or did you say: division = psychological time=(psychological) fragmentation (but not like in math) that would fit more into how i see it. maybe you can explain. or was this about communication?

so to come back to the initial post - does control always imply division? and when does control imply division? and when is division healthy and when is division unhealthy?

so can we let go of control a little bit? if we realize how control acts in ourselves?

since some years i like the fairy tale of the rumpelstilzkin. the tale of naming something so it looses power over us. but it is not just the naming, along with it it’s an understanding of the dynamic of phenomenons that influence us in an unhealthy way.

guess you both are a nice pairing (as teacher - student, student - teacher) have both very different experiences in sense of group experiences. can we see that it is our identification in a group with similar goals and the rejection or acceptance that makes us grow? can we see that authenticity in our action makes us grow? even though we sometimes have to suffer through it? it‘s a matter of how healthy a group behavior is if someone in the group will become the controller and another one the controlled or if the control is balance. can we see it’s not about the people who seem untouchable because they are indisputable in their thoughts or actions, because of their lack or our lack to challenge their authority? it is about how much power we give them. (that goes for society as for our thoughts. real controllers are torturers in many dimensions, i‘m glad no one here is that way!)

i had a look at your profile - and stalked your hometown ...in that sense. chinese people can be tough - are those people who try to controll you still around you? or are they now just present in your psychological past?

you live in north india, don’t you? do you feel it’s a privilege going to school? is it a hard pressure? it seems you are happy about it. or did someone tell you, you have to be happy about it? sorry for these personal questions. but fear is different, in different circumstances and different ages. how old are you? younger than eighteen? i just ask, because i remember my school days - and remember how this time was full of questions about life. even in university... it didn’t stop, but the questions changed. so i just wanted to ask you, so we older ones including the surfer dude could step back into another psychological time.

yes they seem alike, but are not. they have a volume have a space have a context. fragments not. they are just fragments. partitions/worlds are made of defragmented perceptions and they are codependent and interdependent. you can always remove misconceptions from partitions...further defragment or refragment the content, adding new context. every partition has an ego on its own, if you know about it or not.

is there any possibility we can see that in a person what was called fragments are not fragments but partitions?