Azza

@Empty thank you. That was such a good read. (:

I'm going to make this very short and i'm sure many will understand me. Do we need to help humanity or is everything perfect the way it is? Do we fight evil or accept evil, or accept evil while fighting it? and at the end, if we are supposed to accept everything, including evil, why should we aim for selflessness? why should you be selfless when things are exactly what they should be? I. am. very. confused..

@RabbitHole This is really good. this is how i'm trying to be as well but then I, again, get stuck on the idea that, if i help others and becoming more loving, it's not gonna change anything because like you said, evil is still part of this life. wait, i just had a thought.! unless, by helping others, i shouldn't try to change things, i would just do it because this is who i am..... wait i'm getting ideas while writing this atm lol. my brain honestly keeps going back and forth on this matter for a while now.

I like this understanding actually. but this could actually lead us to religions and their idea of god. So much that one can't grasp logically

The questions is not why it would be hard. The question is why create it at all for what reason. Why would two separate souls decide to create a new soul and help it create that soul's brain? (Referring to birth btw only an example) It would only make sense if these souls are connected

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I wanted to share with you guys this cool story about the egyptian god Ptah and how he created the universe. The story is actually not so different from our understanding consciousness and how the universe was created. According to the Memphite Theogony, the world was brought into being by Ptah through his heart and Words: "There took shape in the heart, there took shape on the tongue the form of Atum. For the very great one is Ptah, who gave life to all the gods and their kas through this heart and through this tongue," and "For every word of the god came about through what the heart devised and the tongue commanded" Ptah fashioned the universe through harmonics and thought. He helped the dead on their travels through the afterlife allowing them to transform into his divine figure. He allowed the dead to be like the living after death with the Opening of the Mouth ceremony. The Apis bull was his sacred animal, more of a representation of his soul on earth who gave fertility and rebirth to the people. Herodotus wrote that the Apis bull was conceived from a bolt of lightning. The lightning was thought by the Egyptians to be Ptah in the form of a celestial fire. I thought it's pretty cool honestly.

I did. But then i was stuck because that doesn't answer tons of other questions. Plus now that i read what i just said, it looks like a fucking mess No, the soul is always there, nothing lies outside the soul. The brains are just the eyes of the soul metaphorically tho. And again im not saying thats the truth AT ALL. that's just what i came to realize from a personal brain storming since all i know about the soul and consciousness is what others tell me.

@Faceless those are just feelings that happen as a reaction to our senses of the thought. So I can't say they are consciousness, they are reactions of what consciousness creates. Let me get my scribbles i have to say that last time i updated my own brain map was two weeks ago and i already have soooo many fixing to do but I'll show you how i started. So when i say i started with creation i mean i started with the senses. My question was what's perceiving everything and if i assume my brain is just translating signals (which it basically is), who is it translating to? So i assumed again that the perceiver of everything is the soul. And came to the realization that the soul isn't IN the body because tue body is another thing that is also being perceived. (i know im making so many assumptions but hey, i have no other way lol). Ok so now i know that the brain connects to the soul, it's like a translation point. Notice that so far i didn't say if each person has a separate soul or its just one soul for all of us. So if we say each soul is connected to one brain, meaning we are not connected and those brains die.but how come new brains are being created? Why would two different souls decide to create another brain? And if that so, who created the very first soul? From that i realized that souls can not be created. That means theres only one soul thats always been there. And this one soul is perceiving the materialistic world through different brains. What do you think of this BS? Lmao What made me think the universe is intelligent though is, when you see pictures of the universe, they resembe brains so much. What if they are actually brains perceiving us as signals like we are perceiving our reality as signals? What if the brains are like a net inside a net and it all leads back to THE soul?

No, it can't be. I can actually get my scribbles and try make sense out of them and might post some here but i doubt anyone would wanna read that. Haha But if i wanna make it short: Since I personally have no idea what consciousness is, i started from creation and went up cause that's what i can currently understand. and realized we're created in levels. Its like a net inside a net. But our purpose is to translate our experience to consciousness througj these levels Im not saying it in a duality way. It's just as if we are the eyes of consciousness.

@Faceless no ): I've tried to solve all the questions logically so far. I have those random scribbles all over my room. I had very weird understandings from looking with my brain but when i compare them to what leo says or what sadhguru says or any of those who got the chance of being aware, i think I'm not too far off. Like for example today leo talked about how the universe is intelligent. Although he was talking about it from a different level of experience, i already came to that conclusion when i was doing a personal brain storming lol. I know many say you can't grasp consciousness with the brain, but until i grasp consciousness at all, I'll keep doing those brain storming sessions.

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Ok i think i understand what you're trying to say now. Correct me if I'm wrong You're saying that consciousness is absolute. Infinite so it doesn't need to have any attributes or hmm property because it already is infinity of literally everything? If that so, you are already thinking of intelligence as human intelligence. Leo isn't referring to that according to my understanding. That's why i said leo is speaking about something different not intelligence as we know it.

Well again, even if leo is trying to teach and give instructions, you can just consider it a point of view. You can choose to be free from the idea that the truth will come to you on a golden plate and just try to personally grasp it from difference sources. Actually i think you're trying to do that right now by refusing the idea of teaching (: And about intelligence, honestly in my own opinion i think leo was basically trying to change our understanding of the word intelligence the entire video. So when you say he didn't try to do that, i think you might have lost the point of the whole video. But again that's what i personally see. I really wanna ask leo about this example of the mosquito though. Out of all the examples there could he in this world you chose the example of a mosquito. I think it was a very interesting coincidence since in the quran it says "(2:26) Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, “What did Allah intend by this as an example?” He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient". Were you try trying to channel prophet Mohammed by any chance? C: jk I just find it an interesting coincidence. @Leo Gura

I don't think leo is teaching as much as just sharing what he experiences. If he is giving instructions he wont keep mentioning the fact that it's hard for most people to understand what he means unless they experience it themselves. Do you think a teacher would say "you won't understand this and the chances are one in a million"? And let's assume he's trying to teach, it's up to you to consider this teaching or consider it a point of view

I can also quote "you are not doing intelligence, intelligence is doing you". but I'll stop at that cause if I keep going I'll quote the whole video lol

I'm here to quote one thing from leo's video. "How do you get intelligence from.. from... just..... balls?" ok I'm done. I had to share this somewhere.

I have to admit, If I'd watched the video 2 years ago I would have thought Leo doesn't know what he's talking about, he just doesn't understand real islam and making things up to go along with his own mindset. But now, after putting Islam aside and looking for the truth through different paths, looking back at Islam, I see it exactly the same way Leo sees it and he could possibly still understand it more. And the closest interpreters of islam are actually sufis, as most of them see that god is our guide , and we are god's eyes, we are not separate as Ibn Arabi the sufi said "I thank him and he thanks me, I worship him and he worships me" and "Listening creates existence, as everything that exists vibrates". he adopted the idea of unity of existence, he also said something very very pretty "my heart became accepting of every image, every deer pasturage and every monastery. Idols houses and kaaba (house of allah in mecca), the torah and the quran, I follow the belief of love wherever it goes, as now, love is my religion" (excuse my for my poor translation im translating from arabic lol). Yet most sufis are accused of blasphemy because of this interpretation of the unity of everything.

Thank you [: I'm glad to have found this forum. About Egyptology I can't say I know much but it is part of my upbringing so i'm comfortable talking about it.

@cetus56 right? i really liked the use of the word harmonics here. @Joseph Maynor yes! zoroastrianism is one of the most important foundation of the current ibrahamic religions yet the serious hate ibrahamic religions have towards it is crazy. i was raised to think zoroastrians worship fire and always thought that's pretty stupid lol. also others think it is more like buddhism and hinduism yet it is closer at core to ibrahamic religions. knowing the truth though i think zoroastrianism was a big shift in spiritual beliefs. same as Amun in Egypt, he was the first monotheistic deity since it was believed that all the other gods are manifestations of him.

Oh i just googled and it looks interesting. Will definitely check it out. Thank you!

Good to see some nerds in here. Feels more like home :3

I'm happy to see this mindset. It's peaceful and makes like more enjoyable. That's my goal at the moment although im not sticking to any belief anymore. But I'm not ditching any of them. Just adding them to my understanding

@zoey101 this was beautiful to read (:

No it's because my post was deleted lol i was genuinely joking but i understand it could be misunderstood.